'16 GA ATH Demetris Robertson (Georgia Transfer)

[NDRock]

All this thread has done is made me more depressed that Stanford has been the better program the last 8 years or so. We can't even use the excuse about not being able to recruit the same players as them. If it's true that he needs to raise his score 400 points to qualify, yet he's already cleared by us, then what Stanford has done is even more impressive.

 

[Irish#1]

I wouldn't be shocked, the fact that they'll even consider his application a month+ after the deadline for all applicants shows the lengths they're willing to go to here. Either they're lying to him to help ensure he ends up somewhere else but ND, or they're truly going to break all of their protocols for him.

And it seems patently obvious that they were just letting this one go until they heard he was leaning towards ND.

Stanford's published guidelines may be stricter than ND, but I have to believe they offer some flexibility for admitting some athletes.

IMO there is no decision to be made as he's already made up his mind. Get the SAT score up he goes to Stanford. If he doesn't get admitted to Stanford, we may have a problem. If ND is his second pick, why does he need additional time after the scores come back? He's had plenty of time up to this point to decide where he is going if Stanford is no longer a choice.

 

[Irish Insanity]

All this thread has done is made me more depressed that Stanford has been the better program the last 8 years or so. We can't even use the excuse about not being able to recruit the same players as them. If it's true that he needs to raise his score 400 points to qualify, yet he's already cleared by us, then what Stanford has done is even more impressive.

Academics is often used as an excuse in why we can't expect 10 wins per year. Stanford has won 11 or more 5 of the last 6 years......

 

[johnnycando]

Remember this is SAT vs. ACT. A 400 point rise would be large, but not impossible.
SAT ACT Conversion Chart | Convert ACT scores to SAT scores
1630 SAT composite = 23
2030 SAT composite = 29

The typical ACT swing is 1-2 points, which is less half of what DRob needs if the reported SAT composite swing is accurate.

However, that does seem too great to be what is needed for a Stanford vs. ND differential.

Leaping from a 23 to a 29 would normally be someone completely learning a whole 2-3 years of quality in either Math, or English. The fundamentals is what is lacking. It's a test that works on accumulation.

I do not see this happening unless he dogged his first test.

I made a 26 on my first ACT and I was one and done. That was enough for my college requirements. I do remember feeling like I had tapped out. Meanwhile our valedictorian and salutatorian both aced their ACT. Unreal.

The mentality of trying to improve would be hard, in my humble opinion.

 

[gkIrish]

Whether he gets the score or not, I still don't understand how someone can feel so strongly about a school he has not visited. I could maybe understand it for a school like Notre Dame because we are on TV all the time and there are tons of mini-documentaries about the school out there but even that's a stretch.

 

[tussin]

So when guys "don't have the scores" to get into ND, is it usually a GPA issue or a SAT issue? If DRob needs to improve his score by "400 points" does that mean we accepted him with a sub-900 score and Stanford needs 1300+ from all football players? Something seems off in that quote.

 

[Irish YJ]

Academics is often used as an excuse in why we can't expect 10 wins per year. Stanford has won 11 or more 5 of the last 6 years......

This...

So why is this? How is Stanford doing this? Serious Qs in comparison to ND. ND has had better, significantly better recruiting classes 6 of the last 7 years while worse SoS 5 out 7 years.

Composite Recruiting Ranking
Year ND Tree ND Delta
2016 6 22 +16
2015 13 24 +11
2014 11 13 +2
2013 5 51 +46
2012 18 7 -11
2011 9 22 +13
2010 16 25 +9

SoS
Year ND Tree ND Delta
2016 8 10 +2
2015 32 15 -17
2014 30 1 -29
2013 7 16 +9
2012 13 5 -8
2011 32 4 -28
2010 37 20 -17

 

[Domina Nostra]

This...

So why is this? How is Stanford doing this? Serious Qs in comparison to ND. ND has had better, significantly better recruiting classes 6 of the last 7 years while worse SoS 5 out 7 years.

Composite Recruiting Ranking
Year ND Tree ND Delta
2016 6 22 +16
2015 13 24 +11
2014 11 13 +2
2013 5 51 +46
2012 18 7 -11
2011 9 22 +13
2010 16 25 +9

SoS
Year ND Tree ND Delta
2016 8 10 +2
2015 32 15 -17
2014 30 1 -29
2013 7 16 +9
2012 13 5 -8
2011 32 4 -28
2010 37 20 -17

They got on a role with the combination of Harbaugh and Luck. They momentum has carried them a long way. I'm not saying that it's going to fizzle out, but getting over that hump is a HUGE deal. Especially for a school that has two HUGE selling points: top school, in California

Also, when you think of who we've had to play in our last major bowl appearances since 2006, its been: Ohio State, LSU, Alabama, and Ohio State. Stanford has played: Virgina Tech, Oklahoma State, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Iowa.

When you look at our head to heads, and common opponents, we've been right there with them. We just haven't had that Superstar that has gotten us two or three glory seasons.

 

[gkIrish]

They got on a role with the combination of Harbaugh and Luck. They momentum has carried them a long way. I'm not saying that it's going to fizzle out, but getting over that hump is a HUGE deal. Especially for a school that has two HUGE selling points: top school, in California

Also, when you think of who we've had to play in our last major bowl appearances since 2006, its been: Ohio State, LSU, Alabama, and Ohio State. Stanford has played: Virgina Tech, Oklahoma State, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Iowa.

When you look at our head to heads, and common opponents, we've been right there with them. We just haven't had that Superstar that has gotten us two or three glory seasons.

That might explain a bump in recruiting, but considering we have outrecruited them, how is it relevant to why they are a better team?

 

[NCND]

Let's be honest here fellas.. Do we think this kid is gonna come here? As its been said before, it looks like from the outside that he's straight up looking to go somewhere else other than ND. If he chooses ND awesome.. but, I anit holding my breath.

 

[Irishman77]

if we really want to throw a pity party. I would add that Stanford hasn't had an injury in two years.

Our problem is no longer speed, talent or depth...it is imho...

1.No emotion on gameday
2. Defensive scheme
3. wayyyy too many injuries

 

[NDPhilly]

Let's be honest here fellas.. Do we think this kid is gonna come here? As its been said before, it looks like from the outside that he's straight up looking to go somewhere else other than ND. If he chooses ND awesome.. but, I anit holding my breath.

He's probably not going to get into Stanford and is probably coming here when he doesnt get in. Georgia is a small threat.

Nothing has changed in like the last 3 weeks people chill tf out

 

[Domina Nostra]

That might explain a bump in recruiting, but considering we have outrecruited them, how is it relevant to why they are a better team?

Why do you think they are a better team? We play them within a point or two every year.

If you are talking about their record vs. ours, its apples to oranges. If you are talking about their recruiting vs. ours, I's also say its apples to oranges. If you are talking about getting to 10 wins, rather than 13, its hard to say who has had better recruiting. You only play a certain amount of guys, and they seem to have had less major defections or roster hits than we have.

All you can do is look at the 10,000 foot picture. I'd say they've had excellent coaching and got good players for their system. We have had sporadic coaching, lots of misses on the recruiting trail and distractions off the field, and a serious injury bug. The results have been mixed.

 

[NCND]

He's probably not going to get into Stanford and is probably coming here when he doesnt get in. Georgia is a small threat.

Nothing has changed in like the last 3 weeks people chill tf out

You chill the fuck out. When has this kind of situation ever worked out for ND? I'll gladly be happy if he signs tho.

 

[IrishLax]

To the whole scores thing, you basically need a 1000 (two-part) and a 3.0 to be considered by Stanford. Hardly the super-difficult high bar many think they have. But that's the minimum, and for your typical recruit they like to see more than that... AP classes, etc.

However, that's still a lot harder than the NCAA sliding scale which would only require a 620 if you had a 3.0, or a 2.0 if you had a 1000.

 

[gkIrish]

Why do you think they are a better team? We play them within a point or two every year.

Actually we got blown out in 2010 and 2011. We won in OT in 2012, lost by 7 in 2013, won by 3 in 2014, and lost a close one last year.

So Stanford is 4-2 against us under BK, including 2 blowouts. Overall margin of victory is +36 for Stanford. So I don't think your characterization of our recent rivalry is accurate.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Why do you think they are a better team? We play them within a point or two every year.

If you are talking about their record vs. ours, its apples to oranges. If you are talking about their recruiting vs. ours, I's also say its apples to oranges. If you are talking about getting to 10 wins, rather than 13, its hard to say who has had better recruiting. You only play a certain amount of guys, and they seem to have had less major defections or roster hits than we have.

All you can do is look at the 10,000 foot picture. I'd say they've had excellent coaching and got good players for their system. We have had sporadic coaching, lots of misses on the recruiting trail and distractions off the field, and a serious injury bug. The results have been mixed.

Need someone like LAX to bring up injuries (or lack thereof for Stanford). He's not the only one with suspicions about what's going on within that program.

Agree with coaching and recruiting misses (transfers, busts, etc).

 

[NorthDakota]

Remember this is SAT vs. ACT. A 400 point rise would be large, but not impossible.
SAT ACT Conversion Chart | Convert ACT scores to SAT scores
1630 SAT composite = 23
2030 SAT composite = 29

The typical ACT swing is 1-2 points, which is less half of what DRob needs if the reported SAT composite swing is accurate.

However, that does seem too great to be what is needed for a Stanford vs. ND differential.

That puts it into perspective for me. Unless he literally didn't try on the first one, his grade isn't jumping 6 points.

 

[NDohio]

This...

So why is this? How is Stanford doing this? Serious Qs in comparison to ND. ND has had better, significantly better recruiting classes 6 of the last 7 years while worse SoS 5 out 7 years.

Composite Recruiting Ranking
Year ND Tree ND Delta
2016 6 22 +16
2015 13 24 +11
2014 11 13 +2
2013 5 51 +46
2012 18 7 -11
2011 9 22 +13
2010 16 25 +9

SoS
Year ND Tree ND Delta
2016 8 10 +2
2015 32 15 -17
2014 30 1 -29
2013 7 16 +9
2012 13 5 -8
2011 32 4 -28
2010 37 20 -17

You want to guarantee 10 wins a year for ND? Join the ACC Coastal Division full go...

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'm not buying the 400 point quote. Surely someone would have stepped up and told Robertson that's essentially statistically impossible.

I'm having a hard time believing that he would be holding out this much hope for 400 point increase. It seems more likely that he's just using the SATs as an excuse for delaying his decision (for whatever reason).

 

[SoIll]

I feel bad rooting for a kid to struggle on the SAT lol

 

[Classic Irish]

Need someone like LAX to bring up injuries (or lack thereof for Stanford). He's not the only one with suspicions about what's going on within that program.

Agree with coaching and recruiting misses (transfers, busts, etc).

Care to elaborate? PEDs?

 

[PANDFAN]

“I just want to get into Stanford, because I have been working towards it,” Robertson said when asked about his decision to not sign a letter of intent last week on National Signing Day. “I know how it’s a prestigious school for academics and I know they have a good football team. I just want to see what’s out there.”

“If I get [a 1500] than we will start the admissions process and take a visit out there and see how it is,” Robertson said.

“I know if we make the score we’re probably going [to visit] Georgia this weekend,” Robertson said. “But if we don’t make the score, we’ll probably [make a decision] sometime the week after or the week after that.”

“[Tight ends coach Scott Booker, running backs coach Autry Denson, associate head coach Mike Denbrock and offensive coordinator Mike Sanford] — all of them are hitting me up,” Robertson said.

“Notre Dame is probably the only one who pushed me to sign on signing day,” he added. “They were just like, ‘If you feel like signing on signing day just go ahead and do it.’"
rivals

 

[dublinirish]

Care to elaborate? PEDs?

Mike Frank has alluded to this many times on his podcasts. He reckons Stanford has systematically doped their athletes using techniques developed in-house to give them unfair advantages.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Actually we got blown out in 2010 and 2011. We won in OT in 2012, lost by 7 in 2013, won by 3 in 2014, and lost a close one last year.

So Stanford is 4-2 against us under BK, including 2 blowouts. Overall margin of victory is +36 for Stanford. So I don't think your characterization of our recent rivalry is accurate.

We are 2-2 over the last 4 games, all within a score. They beat a completely depleted team this year after letting us go ahead with 35 secs. If you can't imagine a scenario where we hold them with 35 seconds left, you aren't trying very hard.

And is there anything glaring that they had in 2010 and 2011 that they haven't had since then? They beat Tommy Rees with Andrew Luck. I'm not sure that represents the relative strength of either program at this point. I think had you traded those two players the outcomes would have looked a little different.

 

[SoIll]

Care to elaborate? PEDs?

yes, among other things as well. Just do a google search, all kinds of message board rumors pop up regarding stanford

 

[kmoose]

That might explain a bump in recruiting, but considering we have outrecruited them, how is it relevant to why they are a better team?

Because recruiting is only part of the equation. If we learned anything from Ron Powlus, James Aldridge, and Dayne Crist: it should be that recruiting services can be, and regularly are, wrong in their ratings.

 

[IrishLax]

“I just want to get into Stanford, because I have been working towards it,” Robertson said when asked about his decision to not sign a letter of intent last week on National Signing Day. “I know how it’s a prestigious school for academics and I know they have a good football team. I just want to see what’s out there.”

“If I get [a 1500] than we will start the admissions process and take a visit out there and see how it is,” Robertson said.

“I know if we make the score we’re probably going [to visit] Georgia this weekend,” Robertson said. “But if we don’t make the score, we’ll probably [make a decision] sometime the week after or the week after that.”

“[Tight ends coach Scott Booker, running backs coach Autry Denson, associate head coach Mike Denbrock and offensive coordinator Mike Sanford] — all of them are hitting me up,” Robertson said.

“Notre Dame is probably the only one who pushed me to sign on signing day,” he added. “They were just like, ‘If you feel like signing on signing day just go ahead and do it.’"
rivals

That's reference to the 3-part score, they look for a 1000 on math/verbal as their bare minimum to consider your application.

 

[IrishLax]

Actually we got blown out in 2010 and 2011. We won in OT in 2012, lost by 7 in 2013, won by 3 in 2014, and lost a close one last year.

So Stanford is 4-2 against us under BK, including 2 blowouts. Overall margin of victory is +36 for Stanford. So I don't think your characterization of our recent rivalry is accurate.

I just don't see how/why anyone considers anything outside of the last 4 years when discussing this sort of stuff. The only exception to that rule would be if you had a ridiculous streak going. But I think it's generally irrelevant when talking "recent results" to look past that window, because where do you draw the line? Notre Dame had won 7 straight bleeding into the Harbaugh era before Weis lost in his last year... then Notre Dame lost the next two when BK had no QB.

In the last 4 years, Notre Dame and Stanford are 2-2 with each winning their home games. The total game score spread in those games is 1 point. Every single game has been decided on the last possession. So it's a bit disingenuous to act like the rivalry isn't completely even right now.

 

[gkIrish]

We are 2-2 over the last 4 games, all within a score. They beat a completely depleted team this year after letting us go ahead with 35 secs. If you can't imagine a scenario where we hold them with 35 seconds left, you aren't trying very hard.

And is there anything glaring that they had in 2010 and 2011 that they haven't had since then? They beat Tommy Rees with Andrew Luck. I'm not sure that represents the relative strength of either program at this point. I think had you traded those two players the outcomes would have looked a little different.

I just don't see how/why anyone considers anything outside of the last 4 years when discussing this sort of stuff. The only exception to that rule would be if you had a ridiculous streak going. But I think it's generally irrelevant when talking "recent results" to look past that window, because where do you draw the line? Notre Dame had won 7 straight bleeding into the Harbaugh era before Weis lost in his last year... then Notre Dame lost the next two when BK had no QB.

In the last 4 years, Notre Dame and Stanford are 2-2 with each winning their home games. The total game score spread in those games is 1 point. Every single game has been decided on the last possession. So it's a bit disingenuous to act like the rivalry isn't completely even right now.

So we are just going to take the years that are most convenient and go with that? You draw the line at our current coaches era. I don't care what Weis did, I care what BK has done.

If you look at overall success, the rivalry is not even close to being completely even. Head to head is a factor sure, but I'll use the Brady Hoke example again. Was Michigan/Brady Hoke at our level during his tenure just because we went 2-2 against him? Hell no. Because head to head is only one factor. We were much more successful against a tougher schedule than Michigan.

Same applies to Stanford. They have been more successful with arguably a tougher schedule and much less talent. It's not really even debatable.