'16 CA WR Javon McKinley (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Always complaints about ESPN rankings. Has anyone ever did a 4years later kinda thing comparing the diff sites?

 

[drake29]

In ESPNs final rankings they dropped him to a 3 star. Crazy

Is it really that crazy? If a 5 star is a future 1st round draft pick, a 4 star is a future NFL player and a 3 star is a solid college contributor I'm not sure it's all that wild. Consider the amount of talent already on the ND roster. Several players have elite size, speed, or a combination of both. McKinley has decent size and speed but doesn't necessarily excel in either. He does have strong hands and is fairly polished as a senior in high school but perhaps they are worried that he has a lower ceiling and may not end up being 'the guy' at Notre Dame. I think McKinley is a 4 star talent, but I could see potential limit to his upside bringing down his star ranking.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

#9 WR and 55th overall on Scout

In ESPNs final rankings they dropped him to a 3 star. Crazy

Think he has been a 3 star the entire time, and since ESPN didn't do any coverage of the Army All-American game, doubt that their opinion would change.

Always complaints about ESPN rankings. Has anyone ever did a 4years later kinda thing comparing the diff sites?

Is it really that crazy? If a 5 star is a future 1st round draft pick, a 4 star is a future NFL player and a 3 star is a solid college contributor I'm not sure it's all that wild. Consider the amount of talent already on the ND roster. Several players have elite size, speed, or a combination of both. McKinley has decent size and speed but doesn't necessarily excel in either. He does have strong hands and is fairly polished as a senior in high school but perhaps they are worried that he has a lower ceiling and may not end up being 'the guy' at Notre Dame. I think McKinley is a 4 star talent, but I could see potential limit to his upside bringing down his star ranking.

Has the whole world gone mad?

Color me majorly, and motardistically fucked up, but wasn't this the kid everyone was drooling over before he committed?

What the . . . ?

 

[Domina Nostra]

He's going to be great. Rivals had Eichenberg as a 3-star until last week. People just follow the herd, and he's not trending right now.

 

[IrishLax]

Is it really that crazy? If a 5 star is a future 1st round draft pick, a 4 star is a future NFL player and a 3 star is a solid college contributor I'm not sure it's all that wild. Consider the amount of talent already on the ND roster. Several players have elite size, speed, or a combination of both. McKinley has decent size and speed but doesn't necessarily excel in either. He does have strong hands and is fairly polished as a senior in high school but perhaps they are worried that he has a lower ceiling and may not end up being 'the guy' at Notre Dame. I think McKinley is a 4 star talent, but I could see potential limit to his upside bringing down his star ranking.

Your point isn't wrong in theory, but in practice are you going to tell me that there are 87 WRs better than McKinley? Because that's what ESPN says right now... not sure if they're done updating or not.

 

[NDShark]

Your point isn't wrong in theory, but in practice are you going to tell me that there are 87 WRs better than McKinley? Because that's what ESPN says right now... not sure if they're done updating or not.

88 was a good year...

 

[Domina Nostra]

Your point isn't wrong in theory, but in practice are you going to tell me that there are 87 WRs better than McKinley? Because that's what ESPN says right now... not sure if they're done updating or not.

Even in theory, though, it sounds like he is saying he is getting dinged because he'll have so much competition at ND....

 

[Irish YJ]

The other services have him 9, 12, and 17. But what do they know, all they do is recruiting analysis....

 

[BobbyMac]

I think what ESPN is trying to say is the 20+ 3, 4 and 5 star DB's that he's rung up 3000 yds on in the last two seasons were even more overrated. So when 5 star CB Biggie Marshall says he's the best WR in the country as a junior we should ignore him and listen to a guy in Bristol who shares a cubicle with Wizard and the Big East mascots.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I think what ESPN is trying to say is the 20+ 3, 4 and 5 star DB's that he's rung up 3000 yds on in the last two seasons were even more overrated. So when 5 star CB Biggie Marshall says he's the best WR in the country as a junior we should ignore him and listen to a guy in Bristol who shares a cubicle with Wizard and the Big East mascots.

LOL!

 

[Cackalacky]

I think what ESPN is trying to say is the 20+ 3, 4 and 5 star DB's that he's rung up 3000 yds on in the last two seasons were even more overrated. So when 5 star CB Biggie Marshall says he's the best WR in the country as a junior we should ignore him and listen to a guy in Bristol who shares a cubicle with Wizard and the Big East mascots.

Can't rep. Would rep twice.

 

[Domina Nostra]

McKinley has decent size and speed but doesn't necessarily excel in either. He does have strong hands and is fairly polished as a senior in high school but perhaps they are worried that he has a lower ceiling and may not end up being 'the guy' at Notre Dame. I think McKinley is a 4 star talent, but I could see potential limit to his upside bringing down his star ranking.

In all seriousness, I think a lot of guys get overlooked this way. Some guys cover up there lack of instincts and skill with raw talent. But where you get a kid who is a good athlete, like McKinnley, with good size, and good speed, and then you throw in the coordination and instincts, he becomes more valuable than kids with better measurables.

Kizer is a great example. The whole is better than any of the parts suggested.

And if you go to the pros, do you say, "Larry Fitzgerald has decent size (6'3) and speed (4.63 gasp!!!!!), but he just doesn't stick out at anything." No, you don't. He's a stud.

If you look at McKinley's tape, and take into account that he is killing one of the best leagues in the country, you have to figure he's going to be good.

 

[drake29]

In all seriousness, I think a lot of guys get overlooked this way. Some guys cover up there lack of instincts and skill with raw talent. But where you get a kid who is a good athlete, like McKinnley, with good size, and good speed, and then you throw in the coordination and instincts, he becomes more valuable than kids with better measurables.

Kizer is a great example. The whole is better than any of the parts suggested.

And if you go to the pros, do you say, "Larry Fitzgerald has decent size (6'3) and speed (4.63 gasp!!!!!), but he just doesn't stick out at anything." No, you don't. He's a stud.

If you look at McKinley's tape, and take into account that he is killing one of the best leagues in the country, you have to figure he's going to be good.

I'm not saying that McKinley can't or won't be great - hell, he could turn out to be an NFL Hall of Fame player some day. Anquan Boldin is the main player that comes to mind for me when I'm thinking of a guy with less than ideal measurables that turned out to be a stud. Wes Welker is another. But that said - measurables still matter when identifying elite talent. It's not all there is to the game but speed and size still play a huge role in football. A player that is bigger/stronger/faster than another player will always have a higher ceiling until he proves he can't understand the nuances of his position that keeps him from being great. Sorry for this clusterfvck of a post - my son is crawling all over me.

 

[ND NYC]

tried to rep you crusader...too funny man

 

[johnsben]

Always complaints about ESPN rankings. Has anyone ever did a 4years later kinda thing comparing the diff sites?

ESPN had Golden Tate as a top 100 player while the rest of the sites had him as a 3 star...that's all I got.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

ESPN had Golden Tate as a top 100 player while the rest of the sites had him as a 3 star...that's all I got.

Not entirely true.

ESPN had Golden Tate ranked like number 10 overall. The other sites had him as a 4 start not 3 star if I remember correctly.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I'm not saying that McKinley can't or won't be great - hell, he could turn out to be an NFL Hall of Fame player some day. Anquan Boldin is the main player that comes to mind for me when I'm thinking of a guy with less than ideal measurables that turned out to be a stud. Wes Welker is another. But that said - measurables still matter when identifying elite talent. It's not all there is to the game but speed and size still play a huge role in football. A player that is bigger/stronger/faster than another player will always have a higher ceiling until he proves he can't understand the nuances of his position that keeps him from being great. Sorry for this clusterfvck of a post - my son is crawling all over me.

I completely understand what you mean. I just think people aren't giving Javon enough credit. He actually is big, fast, and a great athlete. He's more of a blend of a lot of good traits than one amazing trait.

I agree that Claypool has higher upside. What comes to mind, though, is all the DBs that have come through ND in the last 15 years with really high upsides. Its just that most of them didn't reach their ceiling at all or until they got to the pros.

McKinley is going to be one of those guys who gives you 3 great years.

 

[dad4aa]

Can't rep. Would rep twice.

tried to rep you crusader...too funny man

Repped him...hilarious!!

 

[johnnycando]

Repped him...hilarious!!

Yup same here.

 

[Jackalope1977]

I'm happier than hell we got Javon. I don't give a wolfs patoot about who's got him rated where.

 

[NCND]

Eff ESPN.. Once again.

 

[rtrn2glory]

They just had a dude on their recruiting nation that just claimed we lead for alloway. They couldn't be more not in tune with what is going on. That ship sailed a long time ago and everyone seems to know it except them

 

[BobbyMac]

They just had a dude on their recruiting nation that just claimed we lead for alloway. They couldn't be more not in tune with what is going on. That ship sailed a long time ago and everyone seems to know it except them

Found this odd that a SBT insider would still be agreeing with the ESPN guys.

If ND didn't get what they thought they were gonna it wouldn't surprise me if they circled back and got Alloway.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Six ND commits + targets McCulloch, Ben Davis, Caleb Kelly, Demetris Robertson, Jordan Fuller, Damian Alloway. <a href="https://t.co/U7ue9hZKQq">https://t.co/U7ue9hZKQq</a></p>— Mike Vorel (@mikevorel) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/689471367717105664">January 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Sherm Sticky]

ESPN hates our recruits. They dropped Jones and Parker from 4 to 3 stars also.


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[Irish YJ]

ESPN had Golden Tate as a top 100 player while the rest of the sites had him as a 3 star...that's all I got.

Even if remotely true, a broken clock is correct twice in 1440 minutes.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Not entirely true.

ESPN had Golden Tate ranked like number 10 overall. The other sites had him as a 4 start not 3 star if I remember correctly.

According to Rivals (they had him as a 4star) Golden Tate had nearly 2200 yards rushing, 1650 yards receiving, 880 yards on punt returns, and 10 interceptions as a junior.

That's decent.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

'16 CA WR Javon McKinley (Notre Dame Verbal)

'16 CA WR Javon McKinley (Notre Dame Verbal)

Even if remotely true, a broken clock is correct twice in 1440 minutes.

It is true he was number 11 overall.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2007/order/true

What a bust of a top 150


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[FDNYIrish1]

Didn't know Javons dad was a fellow smoke eater. He is now one of my favorite recruits in the class.

 

[Irish YJ]

It is true he was number 11 overall.

ESPN Football Recruiting - Player Rankings - ESPN

What a bust of a top 150


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Well Eric Berry wasn't bad. Looked at ND's folks included.... Forgot about Kerry Neal #26.
Looks like their average was about 2/1440 lol

 

[NDShark]

Well Eric Berry wasn't bad. Looked at ND's folks included.... Forgot about Kerry Neal #26.
Looks like their average was about 2/1440 lol

#36 Duval Kamara....I was in the same dorm as him. I remember his roommate telling me he stole his iPod when he wasn't there, uploaded his music onto it, and used it in front of him. Quality dude!