Mike Sanford Jr. To WKU

[phork]

He gone...

 

[koonja]

I still think it's crazy that so many think that an outsider who's never worked for ND, but has been a HC would 'get the ND HC job' better than Stanford who's by all accounts as observant and smart as anyone and been trailing BK for a few years while coaching at ND. I hope he's our next HC if it's a few years down the road.

 

[rocket66]

Seriously. Make it clear in his contract that he's the guy once BK hangs it up. Would suck big time to lose him. The incentive to be coach in waiting is that he can stick around and be the OC at an elite school and recruit at an elite level and never really have to mess with being a HC in the MAC to work his way up. It's win-win for both parties.


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[kmoose]

Seriously. Make it clear in his contract that he's the guy once BK hangs it up. Would suck big time to lose him. The incentive to be coach in waiting is that he can stick around and be the OC at an elite school and recruit at an elite level and never really have to mess with being a HC in the MAC to work his way up. It's win-win for both parties.


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The last coach we applied this kind of logic to was Charlie Weis, who was also looking like a home run hire at that point. How about we slow our roll until the guy shows us something beyond one year?

 

[koonja]

The last coach we applied this kind of logic to was Charlie Weis, who was also looking like a home run hire at that point. How about we slow our roll until the guy shows us something beyond one year?

Did Charlie have 3+ year's experience as an assistant coach at ND?

One size fits all is a good approach if you want to miss out on special opportunities.

 

[dublinirish]

when has a "coach in waiting" (publicly acknowledged) ever worked out though? You'd rather he goes away and becomes a HC somewhere else and then have him come back.

 

[kmoose]

Did Charlie have 3+ year's experience as an assistant coach at ND?

One size fits all is a good approach if you want to miss out on special opportunities.

No. And neither does Sanford. He has ONE year as an assistant at ND. Charlie only had 4 years as a student.

The point was; throwing a bunch of money and years at a guy, based on his one year at the school, is foolish. As was evidenced by the Charlie Weis contract debacle. And people used the same thinking with Weis: "We have to wrap this guy up before someone else comes along and takes him from us."

 

[koonja]

No. And neither does Sanford. He has ONE year as an assistant at ND. Charlie only had 4 years as a student.

The point was; throwing a bunch of money and years at a guy, based on his one year at the school, is foolish. As was evidenced by the Charlie Weis contract debacle. And people used the same thinking with Weis: "We have to wrap this guy up before someone else comes along and takes him from us."

Did I miss something? Has BK left ND? If so we need to update the quick hits thread stat!

 

[NDohio]

when has a "coach in waiting" (publicly acknowledged) ever worked out though? You'd rather he goes away and becomes a HC somewhere else and then have him come back.

Florida State.

 

[pkt77242]

when has a "coach in waiting" (publicly acknowledged) ever worked out though? You'd rather he goes away and becomes a HC somewhere else and then have him come back.

Jimbo Fisher.

 

[beryirish]

Florida State.

I was going to say - it worked out great for FSU. Only other team I know of with a coach in waiting is Texas with Muschamp.

 

[dublinirish]

I was going to say - it worked out great for FSU. Only other team I know of with a coach in waiting is Texas with Muschamp.

Maryland had Franklin a few years ago but he never stuck around right?

 

[kmoose]

Did I miss something? Has BK left ND? If so we need to update the quick hits thread stat!

I should have known that I would have to speak slowly

Give. The. Guy. What. He. Has. EARNED., Not. What. You. Hope. He. Turns. Into.

If you promise him the Head Coach job when BK leaves, and he turns out to be a one year wonder? Then you look like an incompetent asshole when you go elsewhere for a HC. Sanford hasn't done enough yet to prove he can handle being the HC anywhere, let alone at ND.

 

[connor_in]

when has a "coach in waiting" (publicly acknowledged) ever worked out though? You'd rather he goes away and becomes a HC somewhere else and then have him come back.

Bob Davie @ ND

 

[ThePiombino]

Is it reasonable to view Sanford as the next ND coach in waiting? Or will he be gone before Kelly gives up the reigns?

The latter.

 

[Southside Sully]

I like everything about this guy, he just gets it and, does it in a professional and positive matter to make those around him better.

 

[bkess8]

The latter.

Unfortunately I agree and it will be a sad day when he goes. I think he has a bright HC future ahead of him!

 

[BobbyMac]

I like everything about this guy, he just gets it and, does it in a professional and positive matter to make those around him better.

He's Harbaugh minus trees and Netflix.

 

[rocket66]

Horrible comparison to Weis. Sanford has proven success at the college level and a wide range of experience at a young age already. Oh, and he actually played the game. Also doesn't let a runny nose impact his appearance on tv.


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[CanadalovesND]

I don't think ND would give the job to a coach without any head coaching experience or pro coaching experience.

Possibility Sanford leaves in a year or two, takes a head coaching gig, and will be a candidate whenever Brian Kelly's time comes to an end.

 

[kmoose]

Horrible comparison to Weis. Sanford has proven success at the college level and a wide range of experience at a young age already. Oh, and he actually played the game. Also doesn't let a runny nose impact his appearance on tv.


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No one compared Sanford to Weis.

The comparison was in the logic behind the decision to award Weis a long-term contract, and the same type of logic being used to try to justify designating a first-year-at-the-school Coordinator as the "Head Coach in Waiting".

 

[woolybug25]

No one compared Sanford to Weis.

The comparison was in the logic behind the decision to award Weis a long-term contract, and the same type of logic being used to try to justify designating a first-year-at-the-school Coordinator as the "Head Coach in Waiting".

I guess i'm not following either. Seems like there is a world of difference between giving Weis a monster, 10 year contract and giving an assistant coach a title of Coach in Waiting.

 

[kmoose]

I guess i'm not following either. Seems like there is a world of difference between giving Weis a monster, 10 year contract and giving an assistant coach a title of Coach in Waiting.

I can see two reasons for waiting until we have more performance data for Sanford:

1. You think that a Coordinator being named "Head Coach in Waiting" is not going to want a significant raise? If you are named as the eventual heir to your boss, you don't think you would go to management and say, "Hey! I'm obviously a top performer, if you have already announced that I will be taking over for (insert name here) when he leaves. So let's talk about a fair merit increase that is in line with that level of performance."? Until we know just how good he is, do we really want to invest that much money?

2. If you announce that Sanford is going to be the Head Coach once Kelly leaves........... what happens if he turns out to be a dud? You look not just like an asshole, but an incompetent asshole at that. If the guy is a long time assistant with your program, then you can always fall back on, "He performed at a high level for us, for many years. There was no reason to believe that he would be such a failure." There is going to be a HUGE amount of pressure to promote the guy, even if better options are out there. If you want to keep him from moving on, simply pay him like no other assistant in the country gets paid, and tell him that you expect his loyalty in return.

 

[rocket66]

Mike Sanford Jr. To ND

Mike Sanford Jr. To ND

No one compared Sanford to Weis.



The comparison was in the logic behind the decision to award Weis a long-term contract, and the same type of logic being used to try to justify designating a first-year-at-the-school Coordinator as the "Head Coach in Waiting".

You are making very little sense to me, but you're obviously very passionate on your stance so I'll move on.


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[kmoose]

You are making very little sense to me, but you're obviously very passionate on your stance so I'll move on.


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It's really pretty simple. I was not saying that Sanford is destined to end up being a bust like Weis was, so lauding his success and experience is immaterial. What I was objecting to is jumping the shark on the guy. Let him prove himself(for more than one year) at ND first, THEN you can bet the house on him by making him the "Head Coach in Waiting".

 

[woolybug25]

I can see two reasons for waiting until we have more performance data for Sanford:

1. You think that a Coordinator being named "Head Coach in Waiting" is not going to want a significant raise? If you are named as the eventual heir to your boss, you don't think you would go to management and say, "Hey! I'm obviously a top performer, if you have already announced that I will be taking over for (insert name here) when he leaves. So let's talk about a fair merit increase that is in line with that level of performance."? Until we know just how good he is, do we really want to invest that much money?

2. If you announce that Sanford is going to be the Head Coach once Kelly leaves........... what happens if he turns out to be a dud? You look not just like an asshole, but an incompetent asshole at that. If the guy is a long time assistant with your program, then you can always fall back on, "He performed at a high level for us, for many years. There was no reason to believe that he would be such a failure." There is going to be a HUGE amount of pressure to promote the guy, even if better options are out there. If you want to keep him from moving on, simply pay him like no other assistant in the country gets paid, and tell him that you expect his loyalty in return.

I don't disagree with you, but still don't get the Weis analogy.

 

[kmoose]

I don't disagree with you, but still don't get the Weis analogy.

People got excited about Weis' fast start at ND; they freaked out about the thought of some other organization making him an offer he couldn't refuse, so they threw a huge contract at him. They locked up millions and millions of dollars before he had really shown them much of anything, other than a 5-2 record and a shellacking of Pitt in his opener. In other words, they jumped the shark on the guy.


Sanford has been here for one year, and no one really knows what exactly he has contributed. Well, no one on this board, anyway. So don't freak out about the prospect of him leaving ND and guarantee him the head coaching gig before he shows that he can be a successful coordinator at ND for more than one season.

 

[woolybug25]

People got excited about Weis' fast start at ND; they freaked out about the thought of some other organization making him an offer he couldn't refuse, so they threw a huge contract at him. They locked up millions and millions of dollars before he had really shown them much of anything, other than a 5-2 record and a shellacking of Pitt in his opener. In other words, they jumped the shark on the guy.


Sanford has been here for one year, and no one really knows what exactly he has contributed. Well, no one on this board, anyway. So don't freak out about the prospect of him leaving ND and guarantee him the head coaching gig before he shows that he can be a successful coordinator at ND for more than one season.

Again... You're not giving him a big contract, you're simply giving him a title.

 

[kmoose]

Again... You're not giving him a big contract, you're simply giving him a title.

You're giving him the keys to the family mansion. And if you try to renege on that, you are going to look like a completely clueless asshole. Not to mention the damage that might happen to your program in the 2 or 3 years that you are going to have to let him ride before you can get rid of him.

 

[phork]

People got excited about Weis' fast start at ND; they freaked out about the thought of some other organization making him an offer he couldn't refuse, so they threw a huge contract at him. They locked up millions and millions of dollars before he had really shown them much of anything, other than a 5-2 record and a shellacking of Pitt in his opener. In other words, they jumped the shark on the guy.


Sanford has been here for one year, and no one really knows what exactly he has contributed. Well, no one on this board, anyway. So don't freak out about the prospect of him leaving ND and guarantee him the head coaching gig before he shows that he can be a successful coordinator at ND for more than one season.

What has he contributed? I would say Kizer first and foremost..