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Can this US company ban Muslim prayer breaks? They just did.

A Wisconsin manufacturing plant is telling Muslim employees they can't leave the assembly line to pray. While the company claims "undue hardship" from prayer breaks, Muslim employees and advocates say there was never a problem.

By Story Hinckley, Staff JANUARY 18, 2016


Muslim employees can only leave work to pray during meal breaks, according to a new policy imposed at Ariens Manufacturing in Brillion, Wisc.

“It is absolutely discrimination on its face,” employee Adan Hurr told WBAY News. “Allow me to pray so that I can go back to work and do what I love to do, which is working for Ariens. But we are not allowed to do that.”

Islamic faith requires Muslims to pray five times a day. Until the new policy was announced Thursday, Muslim employees at Ariens were permitted to leave their station at the production line to pray twice during their shifts. While practicing the five-minute prayer, the Muslim employees would allocate their duties amongst coworkers.

“We pray by the time,” a former Ariens employee Ibrahim Mehemmed told WBAY. “So they say, ‘If you don’t pray at the break time,’ they give us this [unemployment] paper to just leave.”

Advocates say employees at the company, which makes lawn mowers and snow blowers, and is located about 25 miles south of Green Bay, are being forced to quit.

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) states that employers do not have to accommodate a religious practice if it causes “undue hardship” to the company by decreasing “workplace efficiency."

"Unless they can prove 'undue hardship,' and that is definitely what is at the heart of the matter," then the policy change is illegal, Center for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) National Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper tells The Christian Science Monitor in a phone interview Monday. "What one company thinks is an undue hardship is not actually. It is always a matter of debate and compromise." Mr. Hooper notes that federal law requires employers to offer “reasonable religious accommodations” to workers of all faith.

But Ariens has thus far stood by their policy change.

“We are open to any of the employees returning to work under the new policy or will look for openings in shifts that do not coincide with prayer time,” the company said in a statement. “We respect their faith, and we respect their decision regardless of their choice to return to work or not.”

Hooper says that Ariens' claims of "undue hardship" accusations are unfounded.

"In this case, it seemed that things were going well. Ariens obviously had Muslim employees that were taking their prayer breaks and operating efficiently. What changed?" asks Hooper. Regardless of Ariens' reasons for the policy change, Hooper feels it wasn't urgent enough to leave almost 50 employees without a job.

"While we're working this out, let's go back to your original policy that seemed to work and then we can talk about some resolution that meets the needs of all parties," says Hooper.

Some fear Arien’s policy may cause a mass exodus by Green Bay’s Muslims.

“If someone tells you, ‘you pray on your break,’ and the break time is not the prayer time, it will be impossible to pray,” employee Masjid Imam Hasan Abdi told WBAY News. “If they got fired now, there’s no way they’ll get to stay in Green Bay. They’ll have to move to find work.”

CAIR was involved in a similar dispute earlier this month at a Cargill meat processing plant in Colorado. The outcome at Cargill may serve as a model for Ariens, as both sides seem to be working towards a compromise.

On Dec. 23 Cargill fired some 130 employees for violating the company’s attendance policy while protesting changes to time allowed for Muslim prayer. If the protesting employees want to come back to work they will be eligible for rehire within 30 days, far less than the previous six-month probation period. Cargill spokesman Michael Martin said the beef-plant has been operating “at a significantly reduced capacity,” due to the firings and there is “certainly a desire to full staff” and operate at full capacity.

The plant has two reflection rooms for all of its 2,100 employees to use for prayer. "There are times where we have to sequence how many people are allowed to go [to pray] so that production is not slowed down," Martin told CNN.

In another EEOC lawsuit filed in behalf of Somali Muslims working for the JBS meatpacking plant in Grand Island, Neb., a federal judge ruled in January 2015 that the the company had proven that “requested religious accommodations of unscheduled prayer breaks and/or mass meal breaks imposed an undue hardship on JBS,” according to U.S. District Judge Laurie Smith Camp.

But Hooper thinks maybe these two recent "undue hardship" accusations within one month of each other could signal a larger US trend.

"We don't like to be too suspicious, but maybe they think the growing Islamaphobia in America will give them cover?" he asks. "Does some right-wing politics figure in here somehow?"

Interesting situation. Is this infringing their religious free religious traditions? Should the Muslims compromise their beliefs and traditions by not praying at their prescripted times? Is this another casualty of traditional religious freedom religion by liberal Western society?
 

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I have Muslim co-workers and tbh, them going to the prayer room 5 times a day is way less hassle for me when i worked with a bunch of cigarette smokers who spent way more time AWOL because they were outside in the parking lot lighting up
 
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I don't mind the decision. Companies are not forced to recognize every religious practice.

That being said, Muslims have a choice of where to work just like the rest of us.

What some enterprising competitor of this company should do is make a policy supporting Muslim prayer times and take all those resources into the fold - it would be a good move to bolster skills in their org.
 

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I don't think a company should have to accommodate any religion. It just opens a can of worms. Having said that, if they were already allowing this and now have changed the policy to stop this as it appears they have done, then I question the real motive behind the change. If this goes to court, the company better have some good documentation showing loss productivity and earnings.

Any idea how much time they spend praying during each session?

I hate cigarette smokers. I now have a nonsmoking employee who wants to take breaks every time the smokers go outside.
 

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They make one hell of a snowblower. I love my hydro pro 32 and even follow the Facebook group where the CEO indicated that the story doesn't represent Ariens side of the story and that they are using structured breaks and even oferring designated prayer areas. Sounds like some media and disgruntled Muslims trying to raise trouble to me.
 
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Lets not compare prescribed religious activities with smoking breaks. That is not what this is. This is something that devout Muslims are required to do AFAIK. Smoking is a privilege not a right and it definitely is not covered under this blanket term "religious freedom" that the Christians in this country are rallying behind. I am curious as to if they are willing to stand behind it for their fellow Muslim countrymen.

I likewise question the timing and motives.
 

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I have Muslim co-workers and tbh, them going to the prayer room 5 times a day is way less hassle for me when i worked with a bunch of cigarette smokers who spent way more time AWOL because they were outside in the parking lot lighting up

I don't mind the decision. Companies are not forced to recognize every religious practice.

That being said, Muslims have a choice of where to work just like the rest of us.

What some enterprising competitor of this company should do is make a policy supporting Muslim prayer times and take all those resources into the fold - it would be a good move to bolster skills in their org.

I had two "initial" reactions while reading this. Both were already mentioned. I've bolded both.

I'd even venture to ask not how it's effecting the Muslims, but how is it effecting their co-workers when they abandon their position on the assembly line? Just like when a smoker takes multiple breaks a day, the burden always falls on the non-smoker. I've always hated that. If you want to smoke, smoke, but do it during designated breaks during your shift (when everyone gets a break). If you want to pray, pray, but do it during designated breaks during your shift (when everyone gets a break). Yes, I realize Muslims pray at specific times, but that's where my tolerance ends in this particular situation. Maybe I'm wrong, idk.
 

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Lets not compare prescribed religious activities with smoking breaks. That is not what this is. This is something that devout Muslims are required to do AFAIK. Smoking is a privilege not a right and it definitely is not covered under this blanket term "religious freedom" that the Christians in this country are rallying behind. I am curious as to if they are willing to stand behind it for their fellow Muslim countrymen.

I likewise question the timing and motives.

I think it's a fair comparison if looked at it only as a "break" from work.
 

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I hate cigarette smokers. I now have a nonsmoking employee who wants to take breaks every time the smokers go outside.

This was one of my thoughts reading the article too. I've always wanted an accepted place to go bullshit for ten minutes an hour during the day.
 

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It's a manufacturing facility, it is quite likely that multiple breaks during the day where several employees go off to pray is disruptive to the pace and productivity. If everyone else is sitting around waiting for them, it's likely a huge issue. That's why breaks at designated times may make sense for an equipment company.
 

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Regardless of what people think, the legal standard is as follows:


SEC. 2000e-2. [Section 703]
(a) Employer practices
It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer -
(1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; or
(2) to limit, segregate, or classify his employees or applicants for employment in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

Religion is defined as:

(j) The term “religion” includes all aspects of religious observance and practice, as well as belief, unless an employer demonstrates that he is unable to reasonably accommodate to an employee’s or prospective employee’s religious observance or practice without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer’s business.


So, as the article nodded to, the only way this action isn't illegal is if Muslim prayers cause "undue hardship on the conduct of the emoyer's business."

That seems like a huge stretch to me- it seems like you could accommodate 3 or so prayer breaks during the course of an 8 hour day (I assume 2 prayer times occur before or after the work day).
 

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Moving the prayer breaks would depend on the company's already-official break policy, right?

Where I work, we get a lunch break and one 15-minute break (we are also a non-smoking facility, so most people just take an extended lunch, as there isn't much point to the 15 minute break if you can't/don't smoke).

Another place I worked, we got a lunch break and two 15-minute breaks.

If the company has a policy in place about their break times, and that policy does not allow for flexibility in terms of adding additional break time, then I don't see how the company can be at fault for protecting from the disruption of their productivity.

I think it really comes down to how many "coffee" breaks they afford their employees, and if their policy allows for flexibility in when these can be taken by groups of people (rather than on an individual basis).
 

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In name only. Their prayer times are prescribed by their religion IIRC.

Islamic Prayer Times


Five times a day to be exact. Two of the times occur during a 8-5 shift. Again.... these are prescribed by their religion.

I'm aware. I mentioned it in my previous post.

Llike Drayer said, this is a manufacturing company where pace/productivity are of utmost importance. Factory workers get scheduled breaks throughout the day. Are you suggesting that Muslims get additional breaks if their scheduled prayer doesn't align with the scheduled breaks within the shift? Typically two 15-minute breaks and a 30-min lunch break.

I'm a pretty tolerant person, so if it's me, I'm probably working a deal with the staff to allow the Muslims a prayer break at their needed time, but the trade off is they work through the scheduled breaks for the other non-Muslim employees.

I've worked on lines before. It's a huge pain in the ass when someone leaves the line to take a break, for any reason. That's why we had team breaks.
 

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The standard is undue hardship though, not just "pain in the ass." I'm not an employment lawyer, so I'm no sure how courts (or the EEOC) interpret that, but my sense is that there'd better be a damn good explanation for why accommodations cannot be made. The language clearly shows that employers are expected to comply even if it leads to some reasonable amount of hardship.
 

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If the company has predetermined break times already, then accommodating for prayer time that does not coincide with the break times is not a requirement. The company has every right by law to not accommodate the request. I work in a very large manufacturing facility and we have had the same issue arise with another religion. The company stated the request was an undue hardship, offered the employee a chance to seek other employment within the plant that didn't conflict with his complaint, and then terminated him for attendance when he did not show up to work. He sued for wrongful termination based on his religion and he lost the case.

The argument here is similar. Does the company have to accommodate? No. Do they have to show undue hardship? Yes. But that is broadly defined and policies in place prior to employment by those requesting the accommodations supersede their request. They accepted the offer of employment from the company. If they now have a problem with it, that's on them.
 

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If the company has predetermined break times already, then accommodating for prayer time that does not coincide with the break times is not a requirement. The company has every right by law to not accommodate the request. I work in a very large manufacturing facility and we have had the same issue arise with another religion. The company stated the request was an undue hardship, offered the employee a chance to seek other employment within the plant that didn't conflict with his complaint, and then terminated him for attendance when he did not show up to work. He sued for wrongful termination based on his religion and he lost the case.

The argument here is similar. Does the company have to accommodate? No. Do they have to show undue hardship? Yes. But that is broadly defined and policies in place prior to employment by those requesting the accommodations supersede their request. They accepted the offer of employment from the company. If they now have a problem with it, that's on them.

I feel like but do not know that it matters that this is a change in policy on the company's part.
 

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Okay, so reading the article, the company DID attempt to solve the problem by making the break schedule flexible. Most of the Muslim employees did not find that acceptable, as prayer occurs at times that didn't necessarily coincide with the break schedule.

Additionally, they were previously allowed to take their prayer breaks when they needed to, but the policy was then changed, which started all of this.

It seems like the company will have to prove *why* they changed the policy. If they changed it because other employees began to speak up about the stress it was putting on the rest of the production line, then I think the company will be okay.
 

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Okay, so reading the article, the company DID attempt to solve the problem by making the break schedule flexible. Most of the Muslim employees did not find that acceptable, as prayer occurs at times that didn't necessarily coincide with the break schedule.

Additionally, they were previously allowed to take their prayer breaks when they needed to, but the policy was then changed, which started all of this.

It seems like the company will have to prove *why* they changed the policy. If they changed it because other employees began to speak up about the stress it was putting on the rest of the production line, then I think the company will be okay.

So am I understanding this correctly in that they wanted prayer breaks in addition to the already existing scheduled breaks?
 

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Okay, so reading the article, the company DID attempt to solve the problem by making the break schedule flexible. Most of the Muslim employees did not find that acceptable, as prayer occurs at times that didn't necessarily coincide with the break schedule.

Additionally, they were previously allowed to take their prayer breaks when they needed to, but the policy was then changed, which started all of this.

It seems like the company will have to prove *why* they changed the policy. If they changed it because other employees began to speak up about the stress it was putting on the rest of the production line, then I think the company will be okay.

I agree. If the company can show undue hardship then they will be fine. And because the request is requiring the employees to be away from the production line, proving the hardship would appear to be easy. The "negative impact" on other workers would probably suffice.

Further, the employees would have to prove that the policy was changed as a result of discrimination based on a protected class... in this case religion. That may be hard to do on their part.

The wild card in all of this is the NLRB. The current makeup of the NLRB ruling body is far more pro employee than it's ever been. It will be interesting if they get involved here and what they would decide if so.
 

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I will note that it does suck that there isn't a compromise somewhere in there that can meet both the "coffee break" times and the "prayer" times, so that everyone can be happy.

I just think that it's clear that the company isn't going out of its way just to screw Muslims.
 
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My main sticking point is this.... IFFFFFFFF the Christian religion said you have to pray five times a day and those times are specified, say at 12:58 pm and 2:46 pm, as part of your observance to Christianity, would you expect to be able to have the ability to pray at those specific times no matter what you were doing or where you were working. The religious freedom arguments being used to justify many other recent events would almost certainly cover this for Christians and it should cover it for Muslims or any other religion as well.

Why are you guys thinking they can just go do this at 12:00 on their lunch break? That is not what this is about. Its about the Muslims having the religious freedom to pray when their faith dictates. It seems slightly hypocritical IMO.
 
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I will note that it does suck that there isn't a compromise somewhere in there that can meet both the "coffee break" times and the "prayer" times, so that everyone can be happy.

I just think that it's clear that the company isn't going out of its way just to screw Muslims.

Agree.
 

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I hate cigarette smokers. I now have a nonsmoking employee who wants to take breaks every time the smokers go outside.

I've worked in multinationals for most of my career and with european staff its ridiculous. I'd say 90% of French, Spanish and Italian co-workers I've had have been smokers. I can remember being on a multi lingual team of 10 before and I was the only non smoker and it was infuriating. Being around people who basically addicts and don't have the mental strength to fight their addiction at all was really annoying.
 

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My main sticking point is this.... IFFFFFFFF the Christian religion said you have to pray five times a day and those times are specified, say at 12:58 pm and 2:46 pm, as part of your observance to Christianity, would you expect to be able to have the ability to pray at those specific times no matter what you were doing or where you were working. The religious freedom arguments being used to justify many other recent events would almost certainly cover this for Christians and it should cover it for Muslims or any other religion as well.

Why are you guys thinking they can just go do this at 12:00 on their lunch break? That is not what this is about. Its about the Muslims having the religious freedom to pray when their faith dictates. It seems slightly hypocritical IMO.

There are many layers to this whole topic, but the bold text needs to be refined IMO. Nobody is saying they cannot pray. Instead, the private company is taking a stance that if you wish to be employed by them, you need to abide by their praying breaks. Not being employed will not impact their prayer. Much different argument than what you have above IMO.

Again, not saying what they are trying to do is fair or not, legal or not.
 
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There are many layers to this whole topic, but the bold text needs to be refined IMO. Nobody is saying they cannot pray. Instead, the private company is taking a stance that if you wish to be employed by them, you need to abide by their praying breaks. Much different argument than what you have above IMO.

Again, not saying what they are trying to do is fair or not, legal or not.

For sure which is why this is very interesting. I also need more info from both sides but...from the company's perspective sure that is what they are saying. From the muslim employees perspective, their faith dictates they prey at specific times, without question that don't coincide with their "breaks." Again... in the context of religious freedom that is washing over this country, should these rights be extended to the muslims who are required to pray at very specific times and are Christians who work with them less tolerant because they do not have such requirements in their faith?
 

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My main sticking point is this.... IFFFFFFFF the Christian religion said you have to pray five times a day and those times are specified, say at 12:58 pm and 2:46 pm, as part of your observance to Christianity, would you expect to be able to have the ability to pray at those specific times no matter what you were doing or where you were working. The religious freedom arguments being used to justify many other recent events would almost certainly cover this for Christians and it should cover it for Muslims or any other religion as well.

Why are you guys thinking they can just go do this at 12:00 on their lunch break? That is not what this is about. Its about the Muslims having the religious freedom to pray when their faith dictates. It seems slightly hypocritical IMO.

I understand that Islam has been around for a long time but what if someone starts a new religion that requires meditation breaks twice a day at the same times that Muslims pray just to get breaks, too? Employees can claim they must have the breaks based on religious freedom even though it's a bunch of baloney. I just think if your religion requires you to essentially not work twice a day when everyone else is working, that's your problem. I don't think people should get smoke breaks either.
 

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There are many layers to this whole topic, but the bold text needs to be refined IMO. Nobody is saying they cannot pray. Instead, the private company is taking a stance that if you wish to be employed by them, you need to abide by their praying breaks. Much different argument than what you have above IMO.

Again, not saying what they are trying to do is fair or not, legal or not.

Another way of saying this is that if you want to be employed by them, you have to be willing to not practice your religion unless it fits their time slots.

Some of you aren't getting that the "prayer times" are specific times in the muslim faith. There is a reason for that and you cant simply change the time. I see this going one of two ways;

1) The company is being prejudiced against their muslim workers by not letting them utilize their breaks during designed prayer times. The employer should be open to letting their muslim employees move their break times to the times designated for prayer.
2) The muslim workers are being unfair to their employer by not using their break times at the designated times for prayer. They cant have it both ways, both wanting the designated breaks, and additional breaks for prayer.
 

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I understand that Islam has been around for a long time but what if someone starts a new religion that requires meditation breaks twice a day at the same times that Muslims pray just to get breaks, too? Employees can claim they must have the breaks based on religious freedom even though it's a bunch of baloney. I just think if your religion requires you to essentially not work twice a day when everyone else is working, that's your problem. I don't think people should get smoke breaks either.

This is where I'm at. If the company offered to let them to flex their allowed break time and they said "nah, we want ADDITIONAL break time for our religion" that's just completely ridiculous and I don't see how anyone can side with these employees.
 
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