NFL Fantasy Football 2015

[Rhode Irish]

I have all the money for the IE league. Whoever needs to get paid needs to look up the payout structure. I'm too lazy to do it myself.

This was proposed and I didn't see anyone object.

1st Place gets 160.
2nd place gets 50.
(Players in the championship game can work out a split between them if they wish but must be agreed to by both parties before the games)

Winner of 3rd place game gets 30.

Does that seem fair?

 

[IrishLion]

So let me run something by you guys and see what you think:

I'm in the championship in one of my three leagues. I checked the matchup, and noticed that this guy had Golden Tate for the semifinals and for our finals matchup, and he hadn't had Tate all year. I went back and checked the transactions. The night that waiver requests were going to go through before the semifinals, one guy in our league dropped Tate at the last minute, and this guy had the highest waiver priority of everyone still active at the time, so he picked him up. I checked the other guy's roster, and Tate was his #2 WR. He could've dropped 4 other WR's but he decided to drop Tate?

Now, no one noticed it when it happened. My starting lineup has been pretty much locked in since week 13, and the free agent pool has been bad all year, so I didn't check the transactions. This guy ended up winning his semifinal by 6 points, and Tate scored 20.

I noticed the odd transaction, and questioned the guy who dropped Tate. He first said he was "drunk" and messing with his lineup and messed up. I thought it was bullshit, and realized they were probably colluding, but I let it go. Then the guy texted me and said, "he just asked me for David Johnson now." So he outed himself in that he had been asked to drop Tate and did it, but I guess the request for Johnson made him feel guilty, and/or he realized that I was now tracking the transaction wire closely.

First, he offered to drop Julio Jones for me to make it even. I refused, saying that I didn't want to create drama, and was going to let the Tate thing slide since no one noticed it (we all snoozed, we all lose). But then when the guy asked him for David Johnson, I got pissed and put him on blast in the league chat.

So, what is the standard procedure for this?

Our commissioner didn't disqualify him from his semifinal matchup despite the illegal transaction, because his next WR (Ted Ginn) actually scored more than Tate, so it wouldn't have mattered. But he told the guy that he can't use Tate in the finals.

Is our commissioner at fault for not locking rosters of teams that have been eliminated?

Should we let it fly since none of us checked the transactions closely enough?

This guy originally claimed innocence when I called him out on the Tate move, saying "I just saw the opportunity, you gotta check all available players every day man." He didn't know that I knew that he then asked for David Johnson for championship week, so his act of innocence realllllly pissed me off, so then I called him on his bullshit and let him know that I knew he was asking for more players, and that it wasn't just "opportunity" that got him Tate. How big of a douche is this guy?

How often does this shady stuff happen in fantasy leagues? Have any of you experienced something like this? I've never seen it before now.

 

[blueNDgold44]

So let me run something by you guys and see what you think:

I'm in the championship in one of my three leagues. I checked the matchup, and noticed that this guy had Golden Tate for the semifinals and for our finals matchup, and he hadn't had Tate all year. I went back and checked the transactions. The night that waiver requests were going to go through before the semifinals, one guy in our league dropped Tate at the last minute, and this guy had the highest waiver priority of everyone still active at the time, so he picked him up. I checked the other guy's roster, and Tate was his #2 WR. He could've dropped 4 other WR's but he decided to drop Tate?

Now, no one noticed it when it happened. My starting lineup has been pretty much locked in since week 13, and the free agent pool has been bad all year, so I didn't check the transactions. This guy ended up winning his semifinal by 6 points, and Tate scored 20.

I noticed the odd transaction, and questioned the guy who dropped Tate. He first said he was "drunk" and messing with his lineup and messed up. I thought it was bullshit, and realized they were probably colluding, but I let it go. Then the guy texted me and said, "he just asked me for David Johnson now." So he outed himself in that he had been asked to drop Tate and did it, but I guess the request for Johnson made him feel guilty, and/or he realized that I was now tracking the transaction wire closely.

First, he offered to drop Julio Jones for me to make it even. I refused, saying that I didn't want to create drama, and was going to let the Tate thing slide since no one noticed it (we all snoozed, we all lose). But then when the guy asked him for David Johnson, I got pissed and put him on blast in the league chat.

So, what is the standard procedure for this?

Our commissioner didn't disqualify him from his semifinal matchup despite the illegal transaction, because his next WR (Ted Ginn) actually scored more than Tate, so it wouldn't have mattered. But he told the guy that he can't use Tate in the finals.

Is our commissioner at fault for not locking rosters of teams that have been eliminated?

Should we let it fly since none of us checked the transactions closely enough?

This guy originally claimed innocence when I called him out on the Tate move, saying "I just saw the opportunity, you gotta check all available players every day man." He didn't know that I knew that he then asked for David Johnson for championship week, so his act of innocence realllllly pissed me off, so then I called him on his bullshit and let him know that I knew he was asking for more players, and that it wasn't just "opportunity" that got him Tate. How big of a douche is this guy?

How often does this shady stuff happen in fantasy leagues? Have any of you experienced something like this? I've never seen it before now.

Stuff like this ruins fantasy. Commissioner deserves a little flack for not locking eliminated teams rosters but in one of my leagues we banned 2 guys from receiving any winnings for a season for a similar scenario.

The worst I've had to deal with is in my family league, which are the worst but almost mandatory, one of my cousins thought a straight up swap of Tannehill and Brees was fair cause his brother "didnt care and his team was bad" so it got vetoed and I got called out for using my LM tool to veto it even though it was vetoed by the majority of people. So a week goes by and he trades Tannehill, Mike Wallace, and Brandon Lafell for Brees and now he's in the championship game riding Brees all the way there.

 

[gkIrish]

This was proposed and I didn't see anyone object.

Ok I will pay out after scores are final

 

[IrishLax]

I lost a championship today on this fucking play: Can't-Miss Play: Winston throws Hail Mary TD - NFL Videos

Every fucking year I get screw-jobbed on some shit. I also was missing OBJ because of the suspension to boot. Thank you, football gods. Thank you so much.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I lost a championship today on this fucking play: Can't-Miss Play: Winston throws Hail Mary TD - NFL Videos

Every fucking year I get screw-jobbed on some shit. I also was missing OBJ because of the suspension to boot. Thank you, football gods. Thank you so much.

Please tell me the guy had ASJ to beat you and not Winston. A league champion that has Winston at QB would be hilarious.

 

[Rhode Irish]

How often does this shady stuff happen in fantasy leagues? Have any of you experienced something like this? I've never seen it before now.

I don't feel like recapping all the shady shit I have seen in fantasy leagues, because it is boring to read about and I will get pissed off all over again by recounting it, but it is pretty common. And it is ridiculous. It is for a little bit of money, but it is mostly for fun. I have literally given up friendships where a guy did something where I really had to question if I want to be friends with someone that would do that to win a fucking fantasy football league. If you can't win it through skill and/or blind luck, why do you even want to win? Seems like the type of thing where cheating would totally cheapen it to the point of ruining it.

As far as your specific situation, I think those guys got caught straight up cheating and neither should be eligible to win this year and I'd have the league vote on whether they should be invited back next year.

 

[IrishLax]

Please tell me the guy had ASJ to beat you and not Winston. A league champion that has Winston at QB would be hilarious.

He had Winston. I lost to a team with JAMEIS FUCKING WILSON at the helm. On paper, my team was SO MUCH better than his... but because of our dumb waiver system he picked up steam throughout the playoffs by adding a bunch of replacement RBs for guys that got hurt on other teams... and then edged me by .2 points. On a mother fucking garbage time Hail Mary.

In my most serious league, I might lose to a team headed by AJ McCarron. It's going to be very tight. For reference, my QBs were Russell Wilson and Cam Newton respectively. They both picked the worst possible week to implode.

 

[IrishLax]

Also, I made three of the worst plays maybe in the history of fantasy football this week. I'm in three championships, going to win one thankfully, but each of these moves was a 20+ point last second mistake.

League 1: picked up Lions defense and sat the Cardinals. Cardinals absolutely throttle Green Bay.

League 2: picked up Christine Michael and sat Frank Gore. Frank Gote scored two TDs and Seattle absolutely implodes on offense.

League 3: had picked up Hightower but for fun shy and went with Charcandrick West because of his juicy matchup. Tim Hightower shredded the Saints to the tune of near 30 points.

In short, I'm a fucking idiot. And probably cost myself $400 between the two leagues.

 

[KPENN]

Not really to do with anything posted lately, but I had to unfollow Matthew Berry on twitter. All the fuckin guy does is whine.

 

[IrishLion]

Also, I made three of the worst plays maybe in the history of fantasy football this week. I'm in three championships, going to win one thankfully, but each of these moves was a 20+ point last second mistake.

League 1: picked up Lions defense and sat the Cardinals. Cardinals absolutely throttle Green Bay.

League 2: picked up Christine Michael and sat Frank Gore. Frank Gote scored two TDs and Seattle absolutely implodes on offense.

League 3: had picked up Hightower but for fun shy and went with Charcandrick West because of his juicy matchup. Tim Hightower shredded the Saints to the tune of near 30 points.

In short, I'm a fucking idiot. And probably cost myself $400 between the two leagues.

Luckily in my league referenced above where the shady shit went down, I'm still probably going to win (he needs 26 points from Damaryius Thomas tomorrow, non-ppr league thank God), but I picked up Houston's defense for the amazing matchup against Mariota-less Tennessee. They scored 20+... but at the last minute, I decided Miami's matchup against Indy was better. Bad call and too much tinkering. I'd be poppin' bottles if I would have played Houston.

Now I'm going to sweat it out and hope the Bengals CB's hold it together enough to not give up 140+ and two TD's to Thomas, which could totally happen knowing my luck.

Additionally, I've been riding backup RB's off the waiver wire all season. Managed the shit out of this team to get a championship lol.

 

[IrishLion]

I don't feel like recapping all the shady shit I have seen in fantasy leagues, because it is boring to read about and I will get pissed off all over again by recounting it, but it is pretty common. And it is ridiculous. It is for a little bit of money, but it is mostly for fun. I have literally given up friendships where a guy did something where I really had to question if I want to be friends with someone that would do that to win a fucking fantasy football league. If you can't win it through skill and/or blind luck, why do you even want to win? Seems like the type of thing where cheating would totally cheapen it to the point of ruining it.

As far as your specific situation, I think those guys got caught straight up cheating and neither should be eligible to win this year and I'd have the league vote on whether they should be invited back next year.

Yeah it bums me out. I've run a league for 8 years now, and everyone respects the "no shady bullsh*t" side of fantasy, especially when playoffs hit. I've never had to lock teams to keep people from dumping players once they know they're out. But in this other league, the first year I'm in it, this sh*t happens. But I don't think it's a coincidence that this is the other guy's first year too. He has no respect for the league.

The part that REALLY sucks is the guy that enabled him and dropped Tate is a really good friend who is also in the league I've run for a while, and I would've never thought he'd make a move like that. I can only assume that he got promised some cash if the other guy used Tate and won the league. Thankfully it looks like I'll win anyway, and I should be $400 richer.

 

[KPENN]

Yeah it bums me out. I've run a league for 8 years now, and everyone respects the "no shady bullsh*t" side of fantasy, especially when playoffs hit. I've never had to lock teams to keep people from dumping players once they know they're out. But in this other league, the first year I'm in it, this sh*t happens. But I don't think it's a coincidence that this is the other guy's first year too. He has no respect for the league.

The part that REALLY sucks is the guy that enabled him and dropped Tate is a really good friend who is also in the league I've run for a while, and I would've never thought he'd make a move like that. I can only assume that he got promised some cash if the other guy used Tate and won the league. Thankfully it looks like I'll win anyway, and I should be $400 richer.

In the league I am in we had a similar situation a few years ago and have deadlines now. We have trade and waiver deadline. We allow waiver pickups after the deadline but only in case of injury. You put the injured guy on IR and pick up a replacement. No dropping guys after after the deadline.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Anyone benefit or suffer from Blair Walsh getting 23 freaking points tonight (in my league's scoring, anyways)? I came in up 50 points with nobody left, and this guy has Demaryus going tomorrow and Walsh tonight. Any normal kicker game and this league is wrapped up, but NO this guy goes off and now I have to sweat it out tomorrow.

 

[Luckylucci]

Won my third place matchup this week. Contrary to last week where Cam Newton was the only guy I had do anything. This week almost my entire team played well above expectations accept for Newton and I won. With a few high points being $20 weeks and third place money, I basically broke even.

 

[Luckylucci]

Anyone benefit or suffer from Blair Walsh getting 23 freaking points tonight (in my league's scoring, anyways)? I came in up 50 points with nobody left, and this guy has Demaryus going tomorrow and Walsh tonight. Any normal kicker game and this league is wrapped up, but NO this guy goes off and now I have to sweat it out tomorrow.

So dirty. It didn't affect our league at all but last year I won my semifinal matchup when Just Tucker went for 20ish points. I didn't even start watchin the game as I assumed I had no chance at winning. I got some pretty interestin text messages from the guy I beat.

 

[gkIrish]

BKess you have been paid 30.00 for the IE Keeper league.

I will pay Ironman the 160 and Rhode the 50 after that score is final in case something crazy happens.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

FF is such a flipping crapshoot. Idk why I play every year. I had a team that was poised for a title run and got demolished by injuries and poor QB play the last 4 weeks (playoffs). Went from being the heavy favorite to finishing out of the money. Unreal.

 

[gkIrish]

FF is such a flipping crapshoot. Idk why I play every year. I had a team that was poised for a title run and got demolished by injuries and poor QB play the last 4 weeks (playoffs). Went from being the heavy favorite to finishing out of the money. Unreal.

I'm sure a lot of people in your league were demolished by injuries in the first 8 weeks so it's just a timing thing. The key is having a deep bench and a good backup QB. Tough to do but that's how you win.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I won the Championship in my $ league with exactly that, a deep bench. I drafted very well this year. We don't have a waiver wire or 'free' drop/adds. It was close tho. I sat Cousins for Brady and it almost cost me.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm sure a lot of people in your league were demolished by injuries in the first 8 weeks so it's just a timing thing. The key is having a deep bench and a good backup QB. Tough to do but that's how you win.

The thing is, it's much easier to come back from early injuries than late ones.

In re-draft the league where I won, I had Jamaal Charles, Arian Foster, and Mark Ingram. All of those guys were top 5 RBs at one points in their points per week. I lost all of them... when I lost Charles/Foster early, it wasn't that hard to get fill ins. When I lost Ingram late and was down the list on waiver priority, I was completely screwed.

The RBs I played in the championship were Christine Michael and Denard Robinson. And I had OBJ suspended. Luckily, the team I was up against had 3 WRs and Tyler Eifert hurt... and started Eli Manning and Ted Ginn and Martavis Bryant. So I guess luck cuts both ways.

I'm still fucking HEATED though about that Jameis Winston garbage time hail mary.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I'm still fucking HEATED though about that Jameis Winston garbage time hail mary.

I started Roethlisberger and had Winston on my bench. Obviously there is no way I would have ever done anything different, but it still pisses me off to see those points on my bench when there is a decent chance that I lose tonight but no chance that I would lose if I had Winston's points at my QB spot and not Big Ben's.

Fantasy football is a ton of fun but it is not a true test of skill the way it is played. Way too much random stuff happens that is way beyond your control.

 

[IrishLax]

Lastly, I'd recommend to everyone that you try getting a dynasty league going. That's my big $ and super serious league. And it's a blast. You keep everyone year-to-year and only draft rookies, team rosters are 30+ people deep. It removes virtually all of the waiver wire "luck" aspect. We also use IDPs, which is so much better than team defense.

Best of all, the format really encourage trades, because you can trade prospects and future draft picks. For example, when Marshawn Lynch went down I tried desperately to trade for Thomas Rawls but failed. So then I shipped Karlos Williams (a late round draft pick of mine this year) to a team with then-injured LeSean McCoy for some future draft picks and throw in players. I then turned around and shipped some of those picks and Jerrick McKinnon to another team that's in rebuilding mode for Chris Ivory/Bilal Powell/Jonathan Stewart. And then I swung a deal trading Kevin White (my 1st round draft pick and a stash) for Devonta Freeman and some late picks... and then Devonta Freeman ended up being pretty darn good.

In re-draft leagues, it's hard to do trades. I think there were about 20 trades total in my dynasty league this year.

 

[Luckylucci]

Lastly, I'd recommend to everyone that you try getting a dynasty league going. That's my big $ and super serious league. And it's a blast. You keep everyone year-to-year and only draft rookies, team rosters are 30+ people deep. It removes virtually all of the waiver wire "luck" aspect. We also use IDPs, which is so much better than team defense.

Best of all, the format really encourage trades, because you can trade prospects and future draft picks. For example, when Marshawn Lynch went down I tried desperately to trade for Thomas Rawls but failed. So then I shipped Karlos Williams (a late round draft pick of mine this year) to a team with then-injured LeSean McCoy for some future draft picks and throw in players. I then turned around and shipped some of those picks and Jerrick McKinnon to another team that's in rebuilding mode for Chris Ivory/Bilal Powell/Jonathan Stewart. And then I swung a deal trading Kevin White (my 1st round draft pick and a stash) for Devonta Freeman and some late picks... and then Devonta Freeman ended up being pretty darn good.

In re-draft leagues, it's hard to do trades. I think there were about 20 trades total in my dynasty league this year.

We're trying to get a format like this in my league but we have had too much turnover. We might have the same 12 teams next year as we did this year and go this route. Big fan of the idea.

 

[gkIrish]

Lastly, I'd recommend to everyone that you try getting a dynasty league going. That's my big $ and super serious league. And it's a blast. You keep everyone year-to-year and only draft rookies, team rosters are 30+ people deep. It removes virtually all of the waiver wire "luck" aspect. We also use IDPs, which is so much better than team defense.

Best of all, the format really encourage trades, because you can trade prospects and future draft picks. For example, when Marshawn Lynch went down I tried desperately to trade for Thomas Rawls but failed. So then I shipped Karlos Williams (a late round draft pick of mine this year) to a team with then-injured LeSean McCoy for some future draft picks and throw in players. I then turned around and shipped some of those picks and Jerrick McKinnon to another team that's in rebuilding mode for Chris Ivory/Bilal Powell/Jonathan Stewart. And then I swung a deal trading Kevin White (my 1st round draft pick and a stash) for Devonta Freeman and some late picks... and then Devonta Freeman ended up being pretty darn good.

In re-draft leagues, it's hard to do trades. I think there were about 20 trades total in my dynasty league this year.

I think a dynasty league could be fun but you could also get stuck after a couple bad seasons with a horrible team and it may take you 2-3 seasons before you can contend. I like leagues where you have a chance every year. Keeper leagues with 2 keepers are great because you can still hold on to your best values without detracting the last place teams from leaving the league. No one wants the top 1-5 picks anymore. They aren't worth more than 6-10 in a snake draft.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I'm sure a lot of people in your league were demolished by injuries in the first 8 weeks so it's just a timing thing. The key is having a deep bench and a good backup QB. Tough to do but that's how you win.

The thing is, it's much easier to come back from early injuries than late ones.

In re-draft the league where I won, I had Jamaal Charles, Arian Foster, and Mark Ingram. All of those guys were top 5 RBs at one points in their points per week. I lost all of them... when I lost Charles/Foster early, it wasn't that hard to get fill ins. When I lost Ingram late and was down the list on waiver priority, I was completely screwed.

The RBs I played in the championship were Christine Michael and Denard Robinson. And I had OBJ suspended. Luckily, the team I was up against had 3 WRs and Tyler Eifert hurt... and started Eli Manning and Ted Ginn and Martavis Bryant. So I guess luck cuts both ways.

I'm still fucking HEATED though about that Jameis Winston garbage time hail mary.

Agree with timing. However, while having a deep bench can prove beneficial, in a 12-team league and with the way our roster is set up, it's hard to come by. Most people don't have a quality starting lineup, let alone bench depth. They all get plucked off waivers on a case by case basis. Which brings me to...

I also hate the waiver wire order. That is 100% luck if you're at the top if/when a stud becomes available. Everyone else is shit out of luck.

The bottom line is that my league is 25% draft success, 25% waiver success, 50% overall luck. You can't predict who will boom or bust. You can't predict injuries. You can't predict play-calling. You can't predict fluke performances. There's just so much that's out of your control.

I'm not mad at fantasy football and what goes a long with it. I just get annoyed that 3 years in a row now, I've had a solid team get dismantled late in the season and not only lose, but fall completely out of the money. That's tough to swallow (and even worse when there's nothing I can do about it in terms of preventing or having a backup plan.)

 

[gkIrish]

Agree with timing. However, while having a deep bench can prove beneficial, in a 12-team league and with the way our roster is set up, it's hard to come by. Most people don't have a quality starting lineup, let alone bench depth. They all get plucked off waivers on a case by case basis. Which brings me to...

I also hate the waiver wire order. That is 100% luck if you're at the top if/when a stud becomes available. Everyone else is shit out of luck.

The bottom line is that my league is 25% draft success, 25% waiver success, 50% overall luck. You can't predict who will boom or bust. You can't predict injuries. You can't predict play-calling. You can't predict fluke performances. There's just so much that's out of your control.

I'm not mad at fantasy football and what goes a long with it. I just get annoyed that 3 years in a row now, I've had a solid team get dismantled late in the season and not only lose, but fall completely out of the money. That's tough to swallow (and even worse when there's nothing I can do about it in terms of preventing or having a backup plan.)

The thing with waivers is that no one forces you to use a waiver to pick up some random guy in week 4. There's a lot of strategy behind when to use it. Personally, I put in a request if a starting RB goes down with an injury but otherwise I don't use it. If I happen to have a bad waiver priority then I use it much more freely because it has little effect on me.

That being said, I like leagues where you have $100 to spend on waiver pickups rather than having a waiver priority order. I've also been in a league where you bid real dollars on the waiver wire. That money gets added to the overall prize pool. Those are the most fun but also the most difficult logistically.

 

[IrishLax]

I think a dynasty league could be fun but you could also get stuck after a couple bad seasons with a horrible team and it may take you 2-3 seasons before you can contend. I like leagues where you have a chance every year. Keeper leagues with 2 keepers are great because you can still hold on to your best values without detracting the last place teams from leaving the league. No one wants the top 1-5 picks anymore. They aren't worth more than 6-10 in a snake draft.

Yeah, it's cyclical just like real football... and also like real football mediocre teams can come out of nowhere to win championships. Happened the past two years. We run a divisional setup (3 divisions of 4 teams + 1 wildcard) like real football so it's much easier to be competitive on a year-to-year basis. If you win you division you're in, and then in a 4 team playoff anything can happen. If you're truly stuck "down" for more than 2 seasons then you're just bad. Especially because draft picks are so heavily weighted towards the worst teams.

The difference between getting to draft Todd Gurley (top pick) or Dorial Green-Beckham (last pick of first round) is huge. So it's pretty much impossible to stay on the bottom for very long unless you're drafting Wisconsin RBs like an idiot. We also have people pay a full year in advance to curb turnover... so like I'm already paid through NEXT season. Also, the teams that are at the top are generally aging out of their best players. I've had a really strong team for three seasons but Marshawn Lynch, Matt Forte, Brandon Marshall, etc. are all nearing the end of the line.

 

[gkIrish]

Yeah, it's cyclical just like real football... and also like real football mediocre teams can come out of nowhere to win championships. Happened the past two years. We run a divisional setup (3 divisions of 4 teams + 1 wildcard) like real football so it's much easier to be competitive on a year-to-year basis. If you win you division you're in, and then in a 4 team playoff anything can happen. If you're truly stuck "down" for more than 2 seasons then you're just bad. Especially because draft picks are so heavily weighted towards the worst teams.

The difference between getting to draft Todd Gurley (top pick) or Dorial Green-Beckham (last pick of first round) is huge. So it's pretty much impossible to stay on the bottom for very long unless you're drafting Wisconsin RBs like an idiot. We also have people pay a full year in advance to curb turnover... so like I'm already paid through NEXT season. Also, the teams that are at the top are generally aging out of their best players. I've had a really strong team for three seasons but Marshawn Lynch, Matt Forte, Brandon Marshall, etc. are all nearing the end of the line.

The way you have it set up definitely alleviates some of my concerns. I was thinking people drop out after a couple of years but if you pay in advance that probably stops that.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I think a dynasty league could be fun but you could also get stuck after a couple bad seasons with a horrible team and it may take you 2-3 seasons before you can contend. I like leagues where you have a chance every year. Keeper leagues with 2 keepers are great because you can still hold on to your best values without detracting the last place teams from leaving the league. No one wants the top 1-5 picks anymore. They aren't worth more than 6-10 in a snake draft.

One thing we do in my $ league, it's a live draft, is redraw draft position every odd round. So what you draw for round 1 you snake pick for round 2nd. Then redraw at 3 and snake pick for 4, and so on.