'13 IN ATH Jaylon Smith (Notre Dame Man & Graduate)

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I'm not on an anything. I have posted twice (now three times), and I don't think I've been a dick about it. I just disagree with you on this situation.

That's fair. But me commenting on the nd man title is far removed from thinking he owes me. I'd leave if I were him and I'll love him in the NFL. But that title seems to be reserved for the old school guys who truly love the school and give everything they have to it, including the full 4 years, regardless of the love of the money. How many nd men titles are there for 3 and dones? None.
 

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So when he graduates give him the title. I couldn't give two shit's what the title says - I'm one who thinks it's a funny waste of time when people write 'thanks' or 'congrats' to players in titles - but if people on here take these titles of 'nd man seriously', I think it's lazy to give it to someone who decided to leave before graduating just because he was a really good player and all around good guy. There's something about loving ND enough to graduate from it regardless of if it costs you a year in the league or not.


Damn Koon. I'm usually one of your supporters, but you are hating tonight.


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He'd be the first IE man to not graduate and be given the title. That's all I'm saying. Manti shouldn't have gotten it either if he left before finishing IMO.
 

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Please look at the people who have been deemed a "Notre Dame Man" (Day, Te'o, Zack Martin, Rees, Nix, Spond), and tell me why this is anything worth arguing about. There is clearly no rhyme or reason to the title change.
 
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Please look at the people who have been deemed a "Notre Dame Man" (Day, Te'o, Zack Martin, Rees, Nix, Spond), and tell me why this is anything worth arguing about. There is clearly no rhyme or reason to the title change.

I agree it's dumb. But Nix, Teo, Martin, and Day all had the NFL option after year 3 (4 for martin), and all decided to stay to get their degree and play another year. You guys (not saying you specifically) made up the title, so if Jaylon says no thanks to graduating and skips the degree, I just ask what makes him the ND man besides being really good?

Everyone can have their own meaning. If he leaves I'll have no hard feelings towards him, but I'll not view him on the level of Te'o in regards to being a ND man.
 

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No idea what ND man means but my vote goes to those who actually graduate.

By that logic, those without an ND degree shouldn't have an opinion in the matter either. He's done more for ND than you or I ever could. Stop hating. If he leaves early, it's not personal.
 

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I agree it's dumb. But Nix, Teo, Martin, and Day all had the NFL option after year 3 (4 for martin), and all decided to stay to get their degree and play another year. You guys (not saying you specifically) made up the title, so if Jaylon says no thanks to graduating and skips the degree, I just ask what makes him the ND man besides being really good?

Everyone can have their own meaning. If he leaves I'll have no hard feelings towards him, but I'll not view him on the level of Te'o in regards to being a ND man.

Nix left early
 

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Doesn't owe me shit. But if this made up title is for the true ND folk, you'd think it'd be reserved for ones who actually take advantage of the degree and graduate.

Don't spin this as anthing more than that just because you're on a trip tonight - he doesn't owe me shit and I'll applauded him if he goes pro and wish him the best.
So Joe Schmidt then?
 

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I'm with Koon on this one. There's a certain je ne sais quoi required to get that title, even more than the "good at football" side. Matthias Farley and Sheldon Day have it. Jerry Tillery has the potential for it. Jaylon is a tremendous football player but I never felt like Notre Dame was integral to his football identity.

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I disagree. Jaylon isn't quite the vocal leader that other guys are, but he's been a tremendous representative of ND football by speaking with his play on the field, and by being a tremendous human-being off of it.

Also, Koon doesn't get to express an opinion one way or the other, because he called Blake Barnett a "Notre Dame Man."
 
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I disagree. Jaylon isn't quite the vocal leader that other guys are, but he's been a tremendous representative of ND football by speaking with his play on the field, and by being a tremendous human-being off of it.

Also, Koon doesn't get to express an opinion one way or the other, because he called Blake Barnett a "Notre Dame Man."

Very valid point, lol.

ND man has something to do with giving everything you can give back to the University and team. Nothing wrong with leaving early and he's still a great person and great representative of the University, but he will have left with a year to give in his pocket.
 

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I disagree. Jaylon isn't quite the vocal leader that other guys are, but he's been a tremendous representative of ND football by speaking with his play on the field, and by being a tremendous human-being off of it.

Also, Koon doesn't get to express an opinion one way or the other, because he called Blake Barnett a "Notre Dame Man."

This is the most important thing to keep in mind. That specific post was truly one of the worst offenses I've seen in my 5+ years on this site.

Anyone that has watched "A Season With" knows that Jaylon is a "Notre Dame Man."
 

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Anyone that has watched "A Season With" knows that Jaylon is a "Notre Dame Man."

Yes. Also, like Irishfan said, there really is no rhyme or reason to it.

Tommy Rees is a Notre Dame Man according to this site, but he got himself pepper-sprayed and assaulted a cop at a party. Does a Notre Dame Man run afoul of the law, even if it's just a "college kid being a college kid" situation?

Who knows for sure?

There is no guideline, as it's a title that exists independently on IE, and it doesn't really mean anything to the outside world lol, so debating it at all is silly.
 

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Yes. Also, like Irishfan said, there really is no rhyme or reason to it.

Tommy Rees is a Notre Dame Man according to this site, but he got himself pepper-sprayed and assaulted a cop at a party. Does a Notre Dame Man run afoul of the law, even if it's just a "college kid being a college kid" situation?

Who knows for sure?

There is no guideline, as it's a title that exists independently on IE, and it doesn't really mean anything to the outside world lol, so debating it at all is silly.

The day TR was ordained a Notre Dame man was the day the title died lol
 

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i just always made fun of the term "michigan man" so to see anything related thrown around here is just total face palm
 

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Jaylon will do more for ND over the next decade in the NFL than any other graduating players. He is going to be a baller at the next level and ND will always have it's name attached. Young players will see that and no matter how bad they claim the opposite, they all grow up wanting to emulate great players.

Jaylon is great for the brand and he's been a great player and student while at ND. An ND man if there ever was one.

I wonder if Harvard argued whether or not to consider Zuckerberg a Harvard man since he left early for $$$ and his dream.
 
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I'm with Koon on this one. There's a certain je ne sais quoi required to get that title, even more than the "good at football" side. Matthias Farley and Sheldon Day have it. Jerry Tillery has the potential for it. Jaylon is a tremendous football player but I never felt like Notre Dame was integral to his football identity.

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I always saw the "Notre Dame Man" title as something befitting a player that showed excellence on and off the field, persevering through some hardship during their career and/or showing exceptional leadership. Spond obviously fit the bill for the way things abruptly ended for him and he chose to coach Jaylon up with his knowledge. Rees was not necessarily the greatest QB ever to put on an Irish uniform, but he constantly found himself having to take the field due to injuries, suspensions, and brain farts by other players....despite tremendous backlash from fans. Day had his share of injuries that hampered his career, and he plays a position that is often thankless at DT, yet he always gives 110%. Day has shown great leadership too. Teo certainly fit the mold, although the catfishing thing made the exit a bit weird. I don't think ZMart had to necessarily persevere through any road blocks really, but he showed great leadership in his time at ND as 2 time captain.

Honestly though, any man that comes through the university and completes his degree is a "Notre Dame" man. To make it a participation award is kind of lame though, I think if you're going to make such a distinction it should fall to those memorable players that left an indelible mark during their time here. Jaylon is an exceptional player, but is he an exceptional leader? Has he persevered through hardship, other than having to play under BVG for 2 years? I would certainly give Farley and Day that title this year, especially with both completing their degrees.
 

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I always saw the "Notre Dame Man" title as something befitting a player that showed excellence on and off the field, persevering through some hardship during their career and/or showing exceptional leadership. Spond obviously fit the bill for the way things abruptly ended for him and he chose to coach Jaylon up with his knowledge. Rees was not necessarily the greatest QB ever to put on an Irish uniform, but he constantly found himself having to take the field due to injuries, suspensions, and brain farts by other players....despite tremendous backlash from fans. Day had his share of injuries that hampered his career, and he plays a position that is often thankless at DT, yet he always gives 110%. Day has shown great leadership too. Teo certainly fit the mold, although the catfishing thing made the exit a bit weird. I don't think ZMart had to necessarily persevere through any road blocks really, but he showed great leadership in his time at ND as 2 time captain.

Honestly though, any man that comes through the university and completes his degree is a "Notre Dame" man. To make it a participation award is kind of lame though, I think if you're going to make such a distinction it should fall to those memorable players that left an indelible mark during their time here. Jaylon is an exceptional player, but is he an exceptional leader? Has he persevered through hardship, other than having to play under BVG for 2 years?

playing next to Joe and having him get in the way when chasing down running backs lol
 

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Since there's no definition, sure. But for me, hell no, but at least Joe would qualify for me. You have to be really good/do something great outside of football and finish school.
Shayne following every season, maybe with the IE awards, we have a threat with a poll. Players can be nominated with a reason why. Then it's open for vote. A 67% vote gets your title changed. Like a NDFB HOF on IE.
Greg Bryant = ND man.
Just when I started to agree with you......
 

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Greg Bryant = ND man.

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Seriously, if there was ever a player that deserved the "Anti-Notre Dame Man" title, it's Greg. You could probably put Vanderdoesn't under that title too, among a few others.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm told Notre Dame LB Jaylon Smith is leaning toward applying for entry into the 2016 NFL Draft, has narrowed focus on potential reps.</p>— Rand Getlin (@Rand_Getlin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rand_Getlin/status/674671596435410944">December 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm told Notre Dame LB Jaylon Smith is leaning toward applying for entry into the 2016 NFL Draft, has narrowed focus on potential reps.</p>— Rand Getlin (@Rand_Getlin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rand_Getlin/status/674671596435410944">December 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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What does that last part mean?
 
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