Senior Bowl Report

[nd1]

it's from espn so I didn't link it


says he is one of the most impressive players and he is beating boston college ot James Marten regularly. says if he keeps impressing the scouts he could go late in the first round.

 

[tgolden]

good to hear... any news on how rhema's doing? and is ryan harris there? I guess they're the only other ND guys now that Brady and Samardjiza are out.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

it's from espn so I didn't link it


says he is one of the most impressive players and he is beating boston college ot James Marten regularly. says if he keeps impressing the scouts he could go late in the first round.

If only he had been dominating in 2006 for the Irish. :-(

 

[PADOMERNUT]

he couldnt, he was double teamed too much. I wish we had another pass rushing de that wouldve taken the heat off of victor all the time

 

[Doomsday Device]

good to hear... any news on how rhema's doing? and is ryan harris there? I guess they're the only other ND guys now that Brady and Samardjiza are out.

McKnight's apparently played fine but measured in a inch shorter than listed at 6'1". Harris however was not in good shape and has struggled in practices both with technique and the athleticism of some of the d-linemen. To add on to Abiamari, he apparently was one of the most physically impressive guys at the weigh-in and scouts seem to like his upside but think he's underdeveloped technique-wise. He's supposedly in the mix for the first round and could solidify it with good workouts.

The reports are a bit disconcerting on Harris and Abiamari though since the negatives are a reflection of the coaching staff's ability to teach and develop.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Harris - first two years where he should really learn the most were under willingham

Abiamiri - Minter, nuff said

 

[Timugen]

good to hear... any news on how rhema's doing? and is ryan harris there? I guess they're the only other ND guys now that Brady and Samardjiza are out.

I don't know what the scouts are saying about McNot, but I've watched the North team's practices on NFLnet and in the 1-on-1 drills this morning he was dropping passes left and right. I saw him drop 3 balls in a row and, now that I think about it, I don't remember seeing him actually catch a pass.

Now I'm no professional, but after his performances in the USC and LSU games, today probably didn't do anything to help him.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Harris - first two years where he should really learn the most were under willingham

Abiamiri - Minter, nuff said

Abiamiri was taught for his first two years by Greg Mattison. Where he would have learned a lot...

Care to think that statement over again???

 

[PADOMERNUT]

no, i dont care to think it over, i dont think mattison is a very good coach either. he made a name for himself this year b/c of charlie strong.

 

[RI Domer]

I don't know what the scouts are saying about McNot, but I've watched the North team's practices on NFLnet and in the 1-on-1 drills this morning he was dropping passes left and right. I saw him drop 3 balls in a row and, now that I think about it, I don't remember seeing him actually catch a pass.

Now I'm no professional, but after his performances in the USC and LSU games, today probably didn't do anything to help him.

Rhema will be a late round pick no way he proved himself this year. He will have to be Jerry Rice in the Senior Bowl to move up in this thick draft.

 

[irishfan]

Harris..."While fundamentally sound, Harris has not shown the bulk or strength to stay with Senior Bowl players, never mind NFL stars. Used at both tackle positions, he's been pushed off the ball all week."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/01/23/senior.bowl/index.html

 

[Junkhead]

Rhema will be a late round pick no way he proved himself this year. He will have to be Jerry Rice in the Senior Bowl to move up in this thick draft.

He had a "quiet" 15td season, but did not show much the last few games.

 

[Timugen]

He had a "quiet" 15td season, but did not show much the last few games.

I would lean toward pegging McNot's numbers this year as a product of the system. Just as you have "system" QBs, I would tend to believe that McNot is a "system" receiver. His last two games were nightmares, and if you've been watching the Senior Bowl practices at all he has been less than impressive.

Again, I'm no pro, but if I needed a WR I would be very suspect of his ability to make it at the next level. No matter how many TDs he may have had this year, there are other WRs who have less TDs but have shown much more talent.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

no, i dont care to think it over, i dont think mattison is a very good coach either. he made a name for himself this year b/c of charlie strong.

Yeah, all that success he had as a D-Line coach EVERY TIME HE COACHED IT must have been some myth. I guess the numbers lie every single year.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

no, i dont care to think it over, i dont think mattison is a very good coach either. he made a name for himself this year b/c of charlie strong.

Mattison's D-Lines (his last 5 years at ND)
2000 - 3.7 Yds/Rush & 33 sacks & 81 TFL
2001 - 3.5 Yds/Rush & 25 sacks & 100 TFL
2002 - 2.8 Yds/Rush & 37 sacks & 95 TFL
2003 - 3.1 Yds/Rush & 39 sacks & 87 TFL
2004 - 2.7 Yds/Rush & 30 sacks & 74 TFL

Now, what's interesting is to see what pass yardage per game looked like (not Mattison's issue)
2000 - 7.3/pass & 206.2/game
2001 - 6.9/pass & 172.6/game
2002 - 5.9/pass & 204.8/game
2003 - 7.6/pass & 213/game
2004 - 7.9/pass & 281.2/game

What happened when Mattison left ND? Simple - The D was worse than any of his 5...EVEN DURING THE WILLINGHAM YEARS!!!
2005 - 3.9 Yds/Rush & 31 sacks & 76 TFL
2006 - 3.8 Yds/Rush & 30 sacks & 78 TFL

Passing Game
2005 - 7.7/pass & 264.6/game
2006 - 7.8/pass & 203/game

Mattison had solid D's and his coaching has proven to be effective AGAIN at Florida.

You may not like the guy, but he's a fine D-Line coach.

 

[Irish93]

I think that you are forgetting how bad his defenses were in Ty's last two years. And, he was doing that with Davie recruits that were pretty solid. The last two years under Minter were with Ty's recruits and it is a miracle that those stats weren't materially worse than 2002-2003.

I don't think Mattison is a bad coach, but let's not make him a great coach simply because he has a lot of talent to work with now.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

to be honest my beef was never with mattison. i guess that point that i was unsuccessfully trying to make is i think abiamiri is a great player, and if we had another de that could create a pass rush, maybe abiamiri wouldnt have been double teamed as much and he wouldve showed alot more the last 2 years.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I think that you are forgetting how bad his defenses were in Ty's last two years. And, he was doing that with Davie recruits that were pretty solid. The last two years under Minter were with Ty's recruits and it is a miracle that those stats weren't materially worse than 2002-2003.

I don't think Mattison is a bad coach, but let's not make him a great coach simply because he has a lot of talent to work with now.

I think you are completely forgetting WHO the D-Coordinator was.

It was Kent Baer NOT Greg Mattison. Mattison was the D-Line coach.

As the stats above show, Mattison's group did great. Kent Baer's style sucked.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

to be honest my beef was never with mattison. i guess that point that i was unsuccessfully trying to make is i think abiamiri is a great player, and if we had another de that could create a pass rush, maybe abiamiri wouldnt have been double teamed as much and he wouldve showed alot more the last 2 years.

Go watch the Purdue game on MSNBC. It will take you 15 minutes to watch the defensive plays. Abiamiri gets double teamed ONCE in the whole game. He breaks free about twice. The other 30-40 times he gets his ass OWNED by the Left Tackle.

 

[GoshenGipper]

I watched the half hour show that summerized the days practice on NFL network last night, and they talked about Victor a lot. He apparently did a very good job during the practice session, and some thought that he was the most impressive guy at the weigh in. However Rhema was one of the guys that they pointed out for really stuggling. They showd a couple of clips of him dropping balls, and they commented how it reminded them of the USC game. Ryan didn't look very good either, he was being beaten a lot by a DE from Nebraska.

I watched the last half hour to 45 min. of today's north practice. Victor looked really good again, and Rhema showed some improvement from what I saw yesterday, but Ryan was still stuggling with his footwork, and was subsequently getting beaten quite often by that same Nebraska DE.

 

[kjones]

Mattison's D-Lines (his last 5 years at ND)
2000 - 3.7 Yds/Rush & 33 sacks & 81 TFL
2001 - 3.5 Yds/Rush & 25 sacks & 100 TFL
2002 - 2.8 Yds/Rush & 37 sacks & 95 TFL
2003 - 3.1 Yds/Rush & 39 sacks & 87 TFL
2004 - 2.7 Yds/Rush & 30 sacks & 74 TFL

Now, what's interesting is to see what pass yardage per game looked like (not Mattison's issue)
2000 - 7.3/pass & 206.2/game
2001 - 6.9/pass & 172.6/game
2002 - 5.9/pass & 204.8/game
2003 - 7.6/pass & 213/game
2004 - 7.9/pass & 281.2/game

What happened when Mattison left ND? Simple - The D was worse than any of his 5...EVEN DURING THE WILLINGHAM YEARS!!!
2005 - 3.9 Yds/Rush & 31 sacks & 76 TFL
2006 - 3.8 Yds/Rush & 30 sacks & 78 TFL

Passing Game
2005 - 7.7/pass & 264.6/game
2006 - 7.8/pass & 203/game

Mattison had solid D's and his coaching has proven to be effective AGAIN at Florida.

You may not like the guy, but he's a fine D-Line coach.

To really be fair, you'd have to look at the players for each of those years. You may hate Bob Davie, but he had a great defense, and back then we had studs for our front seven and even, (gasps of amazement) good DB's! By the time Ty was done, who'd we have on D? Coaches get some credit, but Ty inheriting a great defense from Bob and proceeding to decimate it is something also.

 

[tgolden]

I would lean toward pegging McNot's numbers this year as a product of the system. Just as you have "system" QBs, I would tend to believe that McNot is a "system" receiver. His last two games were nightmares, and if you've been watching the Senior Bowl practices at all he has been less than impressive.

Again, I'm no pro, but if I needed a WR I would be very suspect of his ability to make it at the next level. No matter how many TDs he may have had this year, there are other WRs who have less TDs but have shown much more talent.

I am going to respectfully ask that you quit calling him McNot. I think Rhema deserves a little more respect than that. Even in the USC game, he had 2 TDs. Sure, he is not the greatest receiver of all times, but he was a good receiver who did his best, put up some good numbers, was a key contributor for 5 years and never did anything but represnt Notre Dame in the best way.

Whether he makes it in the NFL or not I do not know (although I think he will). However, I'd really appreciate it if regardless of whether you think he is a good receiver or not, to quit the little word play.

 

[jgrnd07]

I for one did not see how good Stovall really was until this year. Stovall made it so the Shark could run free and his loss was a huge reason we did not have as great a year on offense. McKnight is a 6-7 round pick at best and because of his size and case of the drops...I do not even see him making a NFL roster.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

lovemyirish. I am sorry that i have a high opinion of abiamiri. clearly you are a better person than me.

 

[Junkhead]

I for one did not see how good Stovall really was until this year. Stovall made it so the Shark could run free and his loss was a huge reason we did not have as great a year on offense. McKnight is a 6-7 round pick at best and because of his size and case of the drops...I do not even see him making a NFL roster.

I said before I was disappointed in his play the last few games, but I still think he can make a roster if he picks it up to his earlier season play. If Battle, Holiday, and Givens can make an NFL impact at receiver, I would think Rhema would be able to.

 

[tgolden]

I said before I was disappointed in his play the last few games, but I still think he can make a roster if he picks it up to his earlier season play. If Battle, Holiday, and Givens can make an NFL impact at receiver, I would think Rhema would be able to.

If Javin Hunter can be a 6th round pick (I think that's where he went), and as stated above, Holiday, Givens, and Battle can make a team, Rhema most certainly can.

Also, I believe that the drops can be cured. Mo Sto used to have a case of the drops which weren't apparent his last year at ND. And I don't recall Rhema dropping passes very often his first 3 years.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

lovemyirish. I am sorry that i have a high opinion of abiamiri. clearly you are a better person than me.

You can have a high opinion...but we were talking about his performance, not our opinion of him.

I think he's a great kid who has a lot of potential. But during his time at ND he never translated that potential into action.

You then BASHED Mattison for not being a good coach. I provided evidence to the contrary.

So far, all I am saying is not that either guy is awesome or sucks. I am saying:
1) based on the evidence Abiamiri has yet to prove himself through his performance on the field (although he has loads of power and talent). He has not proven as good a pass rusher as Justin Tuck, for instance.
2) based on all the evidence Mattison is noted for having great defensive lines. His experience as a DC is suspect.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

i said i didnt think mattison was that great of a coach and he was good this year b/c of charlie strong. if that is BASHING him, i guess i was wrong. I just dont think he is all that great, thats all, and i also didnt know we werent allowed to give opinions on this site.....and i dont think that victor is as good as justin tuck. he was a beast.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

and even though we arent allowed to give opinions, im going to break the rules and give another one. i think it is possible that even a great position coach can be overshadowed by a horrendous coordinator. In other words even if mattison was as great as you say, the combination of baer/minter as d-coord could have stunted the development of abiamiri.

 

[FleaFlicker]

and even though we arent allowed to give opinions, im going to break the rules and give another one. i think it is possible that even a great position coach can be overshadowed by a horrendous coordinator. In other words even if mattison was as great as you say, the combination of baer/minter as d-coord could have stunted the development of abiamiri.

Dude, no one said you couldn't give your opinions. And no one said that anyone had to agree with them either.