College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #8...)

[wizards8507]

Raise your hand if you think we would not make the playoffs this year if we played North Texas instead of Texas without taking the common opponent thing into consideration. Just from a pure strength of schedule standpoint, would it have made a difference?

That's the only change I would have made to this year's schedule. Instead of Texas, play a North Texas.

The problem with this question is that it presupposes that our only goal is making the playoff. It's not (or at least shouldn't be). How about "which game is way more fun and exciting to watch?"

 

[woolybug25]

Raise your hand if you think we would not make the playoffs this year if we played North Texas instead of Texas without taking the common opponent thing into consideration. Just from a pure strength of schedule standpoint, would it have made a difference?

That's the only change I would have made to this year's schedule. Instead of Texas, play a North Texas.

Dude... you're ignoring the main point we are all making. This is a once in a lifetime (possibly) scenario where Navy/Temple are worth a $hit. You're acting like Texas sucking is a normal scenario and that if Navy/Temple were both .500 teams that it wouldn't make a difference. Not to mention... we are still in the position of getting passed by teams like Iowa & OU. So Texas crapping the bed might end up costing us that spot. But at least we didn't intentionally schedule it that way.

Raise your hand if you think we can schedule one less quality opponent and mitigate it with teams like Navy and Temple every single year?

 

[pkt77242]

Raise your hand if you think we would not make the playoffs this year if we played North Texas instead of Texas without taking the common opponent thing into consideration. Just from a pure strength of schedule standpoint, would it have made a difference?

That's the only change I would have made to this year's schedule. Instead of Texas, play a North Texas.

I think that the problem with swapping out Texas for North Texas is that it gives us 4 non-power 5 teams on the schedule. That is a lot. It would also really hurt our strength of schedule. The Pac12 and Big12 play only three non-conference games, so we would be playing more non-power 5 teams than any team from those conferences. Now Navy is having a great year for themselves (yes they are usually good for 8 wins or so but they could easily get to 10 wins this year), and Temple is having a great year too (but that isn't the norm either) so on an average year scheduling North Texas instead of Texas could very much hurt our chances of getting into the playoffs. This year is sort of an outlier.

 

[koonja]

Raise your hand if you think we would not make the playoffs this year if we played North Texas instead of Texas without taking the common opponent thing into consideration. Just from a pure strength of schedule standpoint, would it have made a difference?

That's the only change I would have made to this year's schedule. Instead of Texas, play a North Texas.

Impossible to determine.

USC might finish 15th, Navy 10th, Pitt #22, Stanford #14, Temple #25.

Or half could be unranked, we have no idea.

 

[Legacy]

If you are Independent, and you lose one game, you are a real long shot to make the playoffs. And winning your conference is not the point. The point is whether not conference games make for a tougher schedule, i.e.: harder to win games.

Can we all agree that the SEC and Big 10 champs will always get a Playoff berth and that ND will be competing against the other P5 champs? Even if Iowa wins, they will take Ohio State's place. In either of those conferences, their conference champ can get a bye with a comparatively weak schedule like Iowa.

Plus, if the Pac 12 and ACC conference champs are undefeated, they are in.

Oklahoma seems to me to be like Ohio State was last year with an difficult to explain early season loss and finishing strong. They were in. Oklahoma winning out will be in, too.

We have to be undefeated. Even a last second loss to a top four team will not matter. With one loss, we are on the outside, looking in.

The only way we are in this year is if we win out, North Carolina beats Clemson, plus the chaos scenarios in the Big 12.

We need to accept it and move on, right?

 

[kmoose]

Can we all agree that the SEC and Big 10 champs will always get a Playoff berth and that ND will be competing against the other P5 champs?

No. Conference dominance is cyclical. Just 5 years ago, in 2010, there were 5 Big XII teams in the Top 20 of the final AP poll.

People need to get over this fascination with Conference Champions. Conference Champions are going to be a major part of comparing teams amongst conferences. An 11-2 Conference Champ is likely to get in over a 10-2 team that did not win their conference, all other things being equal. If someone wins the SEC at 9-4, they are NOT going to the playoffs based on being the Conference Champion.

 

[woolybug25]

Can we all agree that the SEC and Big 10 champs will always get a Playoff berth and that ND will be competing against the other P5 champs? Even if Iowa wins, they will take Ohio State's place. In either of those conferences, their conference champ can get a bye with a comparatively weak schedule like Iowa.

No. For instance, a two loss B1G team could win the conference. They aren't going in if there are say three undefeated teams and a 1 loss SEC team. There are a bevy of scenarios that could leave either conference out on any given year.

Plus, if the Pac 12 and ACC conference champs are undefeated, they are in.

Most likely. Why wouldn't they?

Oklahoma seems to me to be like Ohio State was last year with an difficult to explain early season loss and finishing strong. They were in. Oklahoma winning out will be in, too.

Depends. If Clemson stays #1 and ND finishes strong. Our SoS is much better and we have a comparable opponent in our favor.

We have to be undefeated. Even a last second loss to a top four team will not matter. With one loss, we are on the outside, looking in.

Have you turned on a television on any Tuesday night over the last few weeks?

The only way we are in this year is if we win out, North Carolina beats Clemson, plus the chaos scenarios in the Big 12.

We need to accept it and move on, right?

You need to stick to cry-baby posts about oversigning.

 

[wizards8507]

We have to be undefeated. Even a last second loss to a top four team will not matter. With one loss, we are on the outside, looking in.

The only way we are in this year is if we win out, North Carolina beats Clemson, plus the chaos scenarios in the Big 12.

You know we're #4, right?

 

[Irish Insanity]

You know we're #4, right?

We all know that's just the CFBPC trolling us just to drop us in the last standing even if we win out.
#TrollSoHard

 

[gkIrish]

The problem with this question is that it presupposes that our only goal is making the playoff. It's not (or at least shouldn't be). How about "which game is way more fun and exciting to watch?"

I'll watch 12 boring games all season if it means I get to watch 2 ND playoff games.

Dude... you're ignoring the main point we are all making. This is a once in a lifetime (possibly) scenario where Navy/Temple are worth a $hit. You're acting like Texas sucking is a normal scenario and that if Navy/Temple were both .500 teams that it wouldn't make a difference. Not to mention... we are still in the position of getting passed by teams like Iowa & OU. So Texas crapping the bed might end up costing us that spot. But at least we didn't intentionally schedule it that way.

Raise your hand if you think we can schedule one less quality opponent and mitigate it with teams like Navy and Temple every single year?

I think that the problem with swapping out Texas for North Texas is that it gives us 4 non-power 5 teams on the schedule. That is a lot. It would also really hurt our strength of schedule. The Pac12 and Big12 play only three non-conference games, so we would be playing more non-power 5 teams than any team from those conferences. Now Navy is having a great year for themselves (yes they are usually good for 8 wins or so but they could easily get to 10 wins this year), and Temple is having a great year too (but that isn't the norm either) so on an average year scheduling North Texas instead of Texas could very much hurt our chances of getting into the playoffs. This year is sort of an outlier.

Impossible to determine.

USC might finish 15th, Navy 10th, Pitt #22, Stanford #14, Temple #25.

Or half could be unranked, we have no idea.

Maybe I'm not getting my point across well.

We are in a position to make the playoffs despite having only 1 opponent in the top 15 of the rankings. We didn't even beat that opponent.

This is an atypical year. NORMALLY we have multiple opponents in the top 15. Last year we had two (FSU and ASU) plus 2 more in the top 25 (Louisville and USC). In 2013 we had three finish in the top 12 and another 2 in the top 25.

So, given that this is an atypical year, and that even in a year where our schedule is not top-heavy at all we are in a position to make the playoffs even with 1 loss, I do not understand why you all think the schedule needs to feature more elite teams.

This year proves that you can make the playoffs with a schedule full of teams ranked in the 20-60 range. If we had managed to beat Clemson it would be even more certain that we would make it. Iowa is in a position to do it. So is Oklahoma St. You don't need a crazy good schedule.

 

[koonja]

Can't wait til next weeks release. If the B1g12 hasn't passed us by Tuesday night, we control our own destiny. We'll be beating, on the road, a team as good as the winner of OK State/Oklahoma.

 

[gkIrish]

Can't wait til next weeks release. If the B1g12 hasn't passed us by Tuesday night, we control our own destiny. We'll be beating, on the road, a team as good as the winner of OK State/Oklahoma.

Disagree. If both those teams win this week they may not pass us until the following week. Both will be ranked ahead of Stanford.

 

[koonja]

Disagree. If both those teams win this week they may not pass us until the following week. Both will be ranked ahead of Stanford.

I'll bet anything they're not going to bump us down because we beat a #10 team on the road and someone else beat a #8 team or whatever it'd be. No difference in the committee's eyes.

 

[gkIrish]

I'll bet anything they're not going to bump us down because we beat a #10 team on the road and someone else beat a #8 team or whatever it'd be. No difference in the committee's eyes.

I'll bet you anything you want, real or vmoney, that Oklahoma St. will be a playoff team if they win out and Oklahoma beats TCU.

 

[koonja]

If they're not ranked ahead of us after Tuesday night, and both OK ST and ND win in the final week and there's not a massive difference between the point difference (like OK State beats Oklahoma 42-7 and we beat Stanford 17-10), you're on.

 

[woolybug25]

I'll bet you anything you want, real or vmoney, that Oklahoma St. will be a playoff team if they win out and Oklahoma beats TCU.

I'll get in on that action. I don't bet real $ over the interwebs, but i'll bet you every vbuck you have.

 

[gkIrish]

If they're not ranked ahead of us after Tuesday night, and both OK ST and ND win in the final week and there's not a massive difference between the point difference (like OK State beats Oklahoma 42-7 and we beat Stanford 17-10), you're on.

I'll get in on that action. I don't bet real $ over the interwebs, but i'll bet you every vbuck you have.

800,000,000,000 each.

Koon I'm not agreeing to stupid stipulations. My offer is 800,000,000,000 that Oklahoma St. will make the playoffs ahead of ND if they win out and Oklahoma beats TCU.

If both ND and OK State make the playoffs the bet is off.

 

[woolybug25]

800,000,000,000 each.

Koon I'm not agreeing to stupid stipulations. My offer is 800,000,000,000 that Oklahoma St. will make the playoffs ahead of ND if they win out and Oklahoma beats TCU.

If both ND and OK State make the playoffs the bet is off.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Raise your hand if you think we would not make the playoffs this year if we played North Texas instead of Texas without taking the common opponent thing into consideration. Just from a pure strength of schedule standpoint, would it have made a difference?

That's the only change I would have made to this year's schedule. Instead of Texas, play a North Texas.

Texas is #53 in ESPN's power index. North Texas #128. So yes, it would've made a huge difference in SOS.

 

[koonja]

800,000,000,000 each.

Koon I'm not agreeing to stupid stipulations. My offer is 800,000,000,000 that Oklahoma St. will make the playoffs ahead of ND if they win out and Oklahoma beats TCU.

If both ND and OK State make the playoffs the bet is off.

Did you watch what happened for OSU when they went 59-0 in their last game? It's not a stupid stipulation at all. If the wins appear equal score wise, or aren't completely lopsided while one is a close game, you're on.

But if you're going to suit your own narrative that 'blow outs shouldn't factor in', that's too stupid of an out for me to get in on.

If ND beats Stanford 59-0, and OK State beats Oklahoma 24-17, we both know who's getting in and you can flip those and the outcome would then be opposite. Disregarding that possibility is really dumb.

 

[greyhammer90]

Did you watch what happened for OSU when they went 59-0 in their last game? It's not a stupid stipulation at all. If the wins appear equal score wise, or aren't completely lopsided while one is a close game, you're on.

But if you're going to suit your own narrative that 'blow outs shouldn't factor in', that's too stupid of an out for me to get in on.

If ND beats Stanford 59-0, and OK State beats Oklahoma 24-17, we both know who's getting in and you can flip those and the outcome would then be opposite. Disregarding that possibility is really dumb.

Bawk bawk bawk

 

[gkIrish]

Did you watch what happened for OSU when they went 59-0 in their last game? It's not a stupid stipulation at all. If the wins appear equal score wise, or aren't completely lopsided while one is a close game, you're on.

But if you're going to suit your own narrative that 'blow outs shouldn't factor in', that's too stupid of an out for me to get in on.

If ND beats Stanford 59-0, and OK State beats Oklahoma 24-17, we both know who's getting in and you can flip those and the outcome would then be opposite. Disregarding that possibility is really dumb.

First of all this is vmoney so yeah.

Second, we are both taking on the risk that there is a blowout unfavorable to our outcome. So put up or shut up.

 

[koonja]

First of all this is vmoney so yeah.

Second, we are both taking on the risk that there is a blowout unfavorable to our outcome. So put up or shut up.

No deal and that has nothing to do with me bowing out, it has to do with the fact that our point is, all things equal, OK State undefeated will NOT pass ND in the final week. If there's a blowout that's a completely different circumstance.

We're trying to predict if the committee would view a win over Oklahoma so much more impressive than a road win over Stanford that they'd jump ND. If OK State wins by 50 and ND wins by 7, we're not answering that question because the massive point difference will tip the scale.

 

[woolybug25]

No deal and that has nothing to do with me bowing out, it has to do with the fact that our point is, all things equal, OK State undefeated will NOT pass ND in the final week. If there's a blowout that's a completely different circumstance.

We're trying to predict if the committee would view a win over Oklahoma so much more impressive than a road win over Stanford that they'd jump ND. If OK State wins by 50 and ND wins by 7, we're not answering that question because the massive point difference will tip the scale.

 

[Legacy]

No. For instance, a two loss B1G team could win the conference. They aren't going in if there are say three undefeated teams and a 1 loss SEC team. There are a bevy of scenarios that could leave either conference out on any given year.



Most likely. Why wouldn't they?



Depends. If Clemson stays #1 and ND finishes strong. Our SoS is much better and we have a comparable opponent in our favor.



Have you turned on a television on any Tuesday night over the last few weeks?



You need to stick to cry-baby posts about oversigning.

Playing the devil's advocate with this, most of these comments - with that stylistically wooly wording and oversimplification - were a few of those that I had hoped to see.

I've taken due notice of your superficial reading of the oversigning research I formulated and accept that as your limitation. It doesn't even remotely apply to this topic.

However, be ready to stomach any of these realities for the Playoff if ND is not picked over a one loss conference team. Addressing the substance of kmoose's comment that I quoted in mine- as well as others' on this topic - moves you out of the cute, pithy but superficial comment box.

Love your graphic response on post 1266. More of these, please. Less words.

 

[KPENN]

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At least the non-conference cupcakes are being publicly talked about now. This is what a playoff will do - bring these things to light. The conversation around expanding the playoffs is the next part of the conversation, and this is a good thing.

 

[koonja]

Do we really need to root for OSU? Does it really matter? I can't root for them.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #4!!!)

College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #4!!!)

Do we really need to root for OSU? Does it really matter? I can't root for them.

No. Not at all. Root for Baylor and TCU. Hell, root for Purdue and Charleston Southern too.

 

[koonja]

No. Not at all. Root for Baylor and TCU. Hell, root for Purdue and Charleston Southern too.

Just saw TCU's Boykin QB is not starting. TCU is not winning today, but hopefully this hurts Oklahoma's resume since they're lucking out and playing a Boykin-less TCU and Baylor's starting QB also was out.