College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #8...)

[gkIrish]

Why not? We're ahead of (all of) them now, why would things change all of a sudden?

Because the committee made it clear last year that you can get jumped, even in the final week of the season, no matter how badly you beat your opponent...

 

[IrishHokie22]

Why not? We're ahead of (all of) them now, why would things change all of a sudden?

Baylor/OK ST both have chances to get two big wins (three in Baylor's case) down the stretch. We only have one. So there's a reason, for starters.

I just don't see the committee leaving out an undefeated big 12 school in favor of a one loss ND team, considering all of the backlash they'd get from the national media.

 

[johnnycando]

Iowa State blew it. Damn.

ND's playoff chances would have gotten a huge, huge boost had Iowa St. not blown that. As it stands, we're going to need a lot of help to make it in. I just don't see the committee leaving out an undefeated big 12 team, no matter how undeserving they are.

Objective post time boys:

Meow in the fuvk do you figure?

Oklahoma skulls fucks Okie St most years in the he Bedlam.

This year will be no different.

The Kelly Era is here.

Look forward to a new bronze statue at an entrance.

And thank Stoops after his team beats Baylor, and curb stomps Okie St.

Head up chin down.

 

[IrishHokie22]

Objective post time boys:

Meow in the fuvk do you figure?

Oklahoma skulls fucks Okie St most years in the he Bedlam.

This year will be no different.

The Kelly Era is here.

Look forward to a new bronze statue at an entrance.

I hope you're right, but I'd feel much better if our playoff chances were still in our hands. If/when there is no longer an undefeated big 12 team left, I think they will be, but until then...

 

[wizards8507]

Because the committee made it clear last year that you can get jumped, even in the final week of the season, no matter how badly you beat your opponent...

They proved that the Big 12 and their schedules against Lamar and Buffalo can get jumped. They didn't prove that the Big 12 can do the jumping. They got jumped because nobody respects them and that's the same reason they might not jump us. The Big 12 is essentially the MAC or AAC in the eyes of the committee.

I'm not saying for sure they WON'T jump us, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that they absolutely will.

 

[GoIrish41]

Objective post time boys:

Meow in the fuvk do you figure?

Oklahoma skulls fucks Okie St most years in the he Bedlam.

This year will be no different.

The Kelly Era is here.

Look forward to a new bronze statue at an entrance.

And thank Stoops after his team beats Baylor, and curb stomps Okie St.

Head up chin down.

You part cat? Lol

 

[Irish YJ]

Objective post time boys:

Meow in the fuvk do you figure?

Oklahoma skulls fucks Okie St most years in the he Bedlam.

This year will be no different.

The Kelly Era is here.

Look forward to a new bronze statue at an entrance.

And thank Stoops after his team beats Baylor, and curb stomps Okie St.

Head up chin down.

Are you drinking Pillzner again?

 

[johnnycando]

You part cat? Lol

You Super Trooper much?

 

[GoIrish41]

You Super Trooper much?

Ha. I thought it was a typo. Haven't seen that movie though.

 

[Old Man Mike]

If I'm on the Committee, Kansas coming so close to winning as well as Iowa State prove to me that these "top" BIG12 teams are pretty ordinary. There would be NO way that I'd vote them to jump ANYBODY. Heck, roll in Navy and they're in some trouble.

 

[Legacy]

Could come down to the last regular season week for the fourth spot - Oklahoma - Oklahoma State, Notre Dame - Stanford.

What's happened to the SEC? Anyone besides Alabama in the top 15?

 

[KPENN]

Could come down to the last regular season week for the fourth spot - Oklahoma - Oklahoma State, Notre Dame - Stanford.

What's happened to the SEC? Anyone besides Alabama in the top 15?

I think Okie state loses next week.

Florida is.

 

[GATTACA!]

LSU losing is good it eliminates the chances of having 2 SEC teams. Baylor going down is also great. Looks right now like the only outside help we still need is OKST going down at some point, which watching them play seems inevitable.

 

[ickythump1225]

Could come down to the last regular season week for the fourth spot - Oklahoma - Oklahoma State, Notre Dame - Stanford.

What's happened to the SEC? Anyone besides Alabama in the top 15?

Florida. They're 9-1.

 

[phillyirish]

Overall, even with Stanford and Temples loss, I think it was a positive week for our playoff chances. With Okie st playing Baylor and OU still, I doubt a big 12 squad emerges undefeated. Only one loss big 12 school with s competitive resume to ND would be Oklahoma. It'll be close comparison with our loss to the #1 team and theirs to their #1 rival. I see us getting the edge with the head to head result vs Texas though.

Also, USC should be ranked and Navy has a serious shot at finishing the year ranked top 15 with a matchup looming against 10-0 Houston.

 

[edgesofsanity]

Could come down to the last regular season week for the fourth spot - Oklahoma - Oklahoma State, Notre Dame - Stanford.

What's happened to the SEC? Anyone besides Alabama in the top 15?

Florida was number 11 and won. They'll move up I'm sure.

 

[IrishHokie22]

It would be great if Arizona could beat Utah. Not only would it put USC in the driver's seat to play in the PAC 12 title game, but it would eliminate any chance of a one loss PAC 12 team jumping us as well.

 

[nd_fan]

LSU losing is good it eliminates the chances of having 2 SEC teams. Baylor going down is also great. Looks right now like the only outside help we still need is OKST going down at some point, which watching them play seems inevitable.

We would also need Iowa to lose as well. If Iowa goes undefeated then there is a good possibility they may jump ND in the rankings.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

We would also need Iowa to lose as well. If Iowa goes undefeated then there is a good possibility they may jump ND in the rankings.

If Iowa goes undefeated that means they beat tOSU. So it's a wash for ND.


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[IrishHokie22]

We would also need Iowa to lose as well. If Iowa goes undefeated then there is a good possibility they may jump ND in the rankings.

In that scenario the big 10 loser (probably Ohio St.) would likely fall below ND.

 

[KPENN]

We would also need Iowa to lose as well. If Iowa goes undefeated then there is a good possibility they may jump ND in the rankings.

If Iowa goes unbeaten then Ohio state is guaranteed to lose a game.

 

[Legacy]

Florida was number 11 and won. They'll move up I'm sure.

I couldn't put them ahead of Baylor or Stanford even with their losses. I guess I'd keep them at 11. Beating Vandy and SC will not help when those teams aren't going bowling. I doubt Florida beats Florida State.

LSU should tumble. Mississippi State should be out.

 

[GATTACA!]

We would also need Iowa to lose as well. If Iowa goes undefeated then there is a good possibility they may jump ND in the rankings.

Edit: Everyone already said it

 

[Legacy]

SEC-ACC in-state rivalry games -- Who wins?

Florida - Florida State
Kentucky - Louisville
South Carolina - Clemson
Georgia - Georgia Tech

 

[NDgradstudent]

If Iowa goes undefeated that means they beat tOSU. So it's a wash for ND.

Don't you mean if tUI beats tOSU its a wash for tUND?

 

[ickythump1225]

I couldn't put them ahead of Baylor or Stanford even with their losses. I guess I'd keep them at 11. Beating Vandy and SC will not help when those teams aren't going bowling. I doubt Florida beats Florida State.

LSU should tumble. Mississippi State should be out.

Don't sleep on Florida's defense as it might be the best in the country. Through 2 1/2 quarters today USCe had like 55 yards.

 

[Legacy]

Don't sleep on Florida's defense as it might be the best in the country. Through 2 1/2 quarters today USCe had like 55 yards.

South Carolina may have the worst defense in the SEC. Their offense is on their third QB. Only Kentucky, Vandy and Missouri have worse offenses. And they are all in the SEC East.

 

[ulukinatme]

Why not? We're ahead of (all of) them now, why would things change all of a sudden?

You did see OK State jump several spots in the playoff poll when they beat TCU, right? Another big win like that next week will likely put them just outside the Top 4, or maybe even bump us. If they make it to 12-0 they will have beaten some decent teams in TCU, Baylor, and Oklahoma. They've already jumped us in the AP and Coaches polls. Their schedule wouldn't leave much else desirable on it, but at 12-0 they would likely be in the playoff over us. At 11-1 I don't think any Big 12 teams other than Oklahoma have a shot of getting in, so really we just have to hope for OK St to drop a game to Baylor or Oklahoma. At that point we probably just need to beat Stanford and BC and we're in.

You have to understand the that playoff rankings are not like a traditional ranking system. Just because you're #10 one week doesn't mean you won't jump several spots after a quality win against a good opponent. Likewise, if you're facing mediocre teams and creampuffs, you will likely get jumped by teams facing better competition. Up till a few weeks ago we had a pretty decent schedule, but November has our weakest match-ups outside of Stanford. On the other hand, the Big 12 "juggernauts" all face each other in November. We'll stay ahead of the cannibalized 1 loss Big 12 teams, but we have to pray for that Cowboy loss so the last piece of the puzzle will fall into place and essentially guarantee us a place at the table if we win our last two.

 

[ickythump1225]

You did see OK State jump several spots in the playoff poll when they beat TCU, right? Another big win like that next week will likely put them just outside the Top 4, or maybe even bump us. If they make it to 12-0 they will have beaten some decent teams in TCU, Baylor, and Oklahoma. They've already jumped us in the AP and Coaches polls. Their schedule wouldn't leave much else desirable on it, but at 12-0 they would likely be in the playoff over us. At 11-1 I don't think any Big 12 teams other than Oklahoma have a shot of getting in, so really we just have to hope for OK St to drop a game to Baylor or Oklahoma. At that point we probably just need to beat Stanford and BC and we're in.

You have to understand the that playoff rankings are not like a traditional ranking system. Just because you're #10 one week doesn't mean you won't jump several spots after a quality win against a good opponent. Likewise, if you're facing mediocre teams and creampuffs, you will likely get jumped by teams facing better competition. Up till a few weeks ago we had a pretty decent schedule, but November has our weakest match-ups outside of Stanford. On the other hand, the Big 12 "juggernauts" all face each other in November. We'll stay ahead of the cannibalized 1 loss Big 12 teams, but we have to pray for that Cowboy loss so the last piece of the puzzle will fall into place and essentially guarantee us a place at the table if we win our last two.

Yeah but just because the Big 12 is now (finally) playing teams with winning records doesn't really mean anything. If anything it means they are just catching up to us. Also, this won't erase the black hole that was the Big 12 schedule for the first 9 games of the season in the committee's mind. Even after they all play each other most of their SoS' will be lower than ours.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Looking at non-conference schedules:

Last week I noted that the only "impressive" [sort of] win that the BIG12 has had was Oklahoma over Tennessee away. When you look at the SEC, that conference has played 45 games, only seven of which were power five conference games. {for reference, if you considered us "ACC" we'd have played two "outside" power conference teams ourselves with one more to come}. They are 5-2 in those games. It would be difficult to claim Louisville and Syracuse signature wins, so the entire SEC conference is hanging its hat on Alabama over Wisconsin {check Wisconsin's record, though}, A&M over Arizona State, and South Carolina over UNC. I doubt that anyone believes that South Carolina could beat UNC now, but it's a win. The SEC played five other non-power five teams which had a pulse: Toledo, ECU, Memphis, BG, and Houston. They lost three of those.

When you look at the ACC, the pickings are even slimmer. The only signature wins are Clemson over us, and Miami over Nebraska [by two and three points.] The ACC is a conference with a lot of sort-of good football teams which typicality play very hard and then lose. THIS SEEMS ALSO TRUE OF THE SEC. The differences are: the nation is historically hysterical about the SEC when [at least this year] they do not deserve it, and all of them get several "practice games" per year to refresh themselves in season.

Of all the conferences, the B1G has the most telling wins [seven vs decent out-of-conference power-five wins]. Northwestern and Iowa both have two [Stanford and Duke, and ISU and Pitt]. OSUs win over VT is sustaining it, and Michigan State's over Oregon.

Lost to many in this schedule business is the difference that a true football person sees not by looking at individual games in isolation, but by a more holistic understanding of what it means to have to play hard every week. Notre Dame, with the arguable exception of the UMASS week, is the only team in the country who has had to do that. In terms of Holism, OUR schedule is the toughest in the country, regardless of what adding up isolated bits-and-pieces might sum up to. True football people understand the power of the whole, rather than merely the parts.

So far Notre Dame is earning its way in, regardless of "style points." As Coach says: winning is hard. That's true for OUR schedule, but only about 60% true for everybody else's.