Missouri Football Players to Strike

[T Town Tommy]

I'm not condoning anything and yes petty bullshit is a part of any work place and yes I have had to deal with such things. What is rediculous are all the proclomations stating that this guys life is "ruined". It's stupid and redefines what the hell that even means. If I was making the same salary as this dude and got canned for the same reason I would probably go on vacation and then get a bunch of work done around the house.

So because he made a nice salary it is ok to railroad him? His reputation and character was ruined. Maybe he has the ability to overcome that and get back in to his profession... the point is he should have never been put in the position to begin with.

 

[NDgradstudent]

You're making a bunch of assumptions. This guy is going to have another high paying job in short order and the fact that he resigned so easily proves to me that he knows it. How about we revisit this in a month. If dude is slumming it with Sark then I'll buy into the whole "his life was ruined" nonsense.

You guys have a pretty interesting idea of what equates to having ones life being "ruined".

The guy was fired for not dropping everything and obsessing over an allegation from the student body president that somebody off-campus said something racist to him. This is the same student body president who admitted to lying about the KKK showing up to Mizzou's campus.

The Duke lacrosse coach who was fired got another job. Was his life ruined? Well, he's not dead, but he ain't coaching at Duke, either. The point is that he was fired unjustly.

 

[yankeehater]

Losing a job is not a minor inconvenience, let alone if it turns out to be under bogus circumstances. Yes, making good money helps, but this will follow him. Whose to say if he lands a job at another university there will not be protests which again make a university pressured into letting him go.

This is also tough on the family. I know he mentioned a daughter in his resignation press conference so now she more than likely have to leave friends when he lands on his feet elsewhere all over what seems to be a load of crap (pun intended).

 

[Bluto]

And yet we should have empathy for a kid on a hunger strike who comes from a wealthy family. Or a kid who is the SGA president and is spreading false rumors about the KKK, cops, and the national guard? Get out of here with that shi*

And for the record, we all have faced racism so cry me a river buddy. I could tell you stories of reverse racism and discrimination that would blow your freaking mind. I have seen it, been forced to be a part of it during a major facility build, and was forced to make hiring decisions on everything but qualifications and work history. And it isn't one or two positions. It was over 2,000 positions. I don't need you telling me about racial BS.

You're making a bunch of assumptions. I could give two shits about that other stuff. What I have an issue with is this idea that this guy had his life "ruined". Stick to the topic.

Nothing you could tell me about "reverse racism" would blow my mind. Unless it involves someone you knew being killed specifically because of their race. I've heard enough of the boo hoo my uncle didn't get hired because he was white bullshit stories to last me a lifetime thanks.

 

[yankeehater]

I'm not condoning anything and yes petty bullshit is a part of any work place and yes I have had to deal with such things. What is rediculous are all the proclomations stating that this guys life is "ruined". It's stupid and redefines what the hell that even means. If I was making the same salary as this dude and got canned for the same reason I would probably go on vacation and then get a bunch of work done around the house.

Dude.....come on man! I had a friend railroaded by a boss over a bunch of lies his boss made. Even though he proved his case, he had to leave our industry and now makes about 2/3 of his former salary. Like the President at Mizzou, he had a wife and kids so he did not go on a vacation or do work around the house. Now he struggles to provide the living the family once had. I hope the UM Prez has better luck recovering than my buddy.

 

[Bluto]

So because he made a nice salary it is ok to railroad him? His reputation and character was ruined. Maybe he has the ability to overcome that and get back in to his profession... the point is he should have never been put in the position to begin with.

He let things escalate to this point so maybe he was just a so so administrator in the wrong place at the wrong time and lacked the political acumen to deal with the situation. Oh well. I've seen people get canned for less. Again, how is this guys life "ruined"?

 

[IrishLax]

I already had to move all over the country since I was a kid for economic reasons and dealt with all kids of racist bullshit, so yeah cry me a river. About this guy getting fired. $20 bucks and a twelver would probably suffice. It's amazing how much empathy people have for some temporally displaced rich guy.

Disgusting. So rich people aren't people, because you're unhappy with your crappy life or something. Got it.

 

[IrishHokie22]

You're making a bunch of assumptions. I could give two shits about that other stuff. What I have an issue with is this idea that this guy had his life "ruined". Stick to the topic.

Nothing you could tell me about "reverse racism" would blow my mind. Unless it involves someone you knew being killed specifically because of their race. I've heard enough of the boo hoo my uncle didn't get hired because he was white bullshit stories to last me a lifetime thanks.

Yeah, you seem to have a pretty objective view point on this whole thing...

 

[Bluto]

Dude.....come on man! I had a friend railroaded by a boss over a bunch of lies his boss made. Even though he proved his case, he had to leave our industry and now makes about 2/3 of his former salary. Like the President at Mizzou, he had a wife and kids so he did not go on a vacation or do work around the house. Now he struggles to provide the living the family once had. I hope the UM Prez has better luck recovering than my buddy.

That's the whole fucking point. We're not talking about some guy who was a plumber. He's a six to seven figure salary white collar professional who did a shitty job of difussing this whole situation. How has his life been "ruined"?

 

[Bluto]

Yeah, you seem to have a pretty objective view point on this whole thing...

On that specific topic of "reverse racism" I have heard the most horeshit stories from just about every white friend I have. Not sure what this has to do with the poor former president of Mizzou.

 

[Bluto]

Disgusting. So rich people aren't people, because you're unhappy with your crappy life or something. Got it.

No, equating this guys situation with people whose lives have truly been "ruined" is what I find "disgusting".

 

[yankeehater]

That's the whole fucking point. We're not talking about some guy who was a plumber. He's a six to seven figure salary white collar professional who did a shitty job of difussing this whole situation. How has his life been "ruined"?

You need to get money out of your head. That is not the issue at hand.

He went to school long enough to get a PhD so he could get to that level. I am sure he also performed well throughout his career to advance. If you went to school, put in all the work in your career just to have some BS take it away how the hell would you feel.

 

[IrishLax]

No, equating this guys situation with people whose lives have truly been "ruined" is what I find "disgusting".

I don't know if Tim Wolfe is a bad uy or a good guy. Let's assume he's a normal guy.

So a normal guy spends his life building a career and gets to a good point. He provides for his family, etc. etc. and then loses his job. Not only does he lose his job, but there are only a few dozen equivalent jobs across the country. It's a guarantee that he will not be hired for an equivalent job as 1) none are open 2) given the circumstances, none will hire him because it would make headlines. So he'll either have to completely change career he has invested his life into building, or take a serious step back.

Everything he has worked for in a career in higher education is effectively ruined (not to mention the tarnish to his name), and you called it a "minor inconvenience."

 

[IrishLax]

You need to get money out of your head. That is not the issue at hand.

He went to school long enough to get a PhD so he could get to that level. I am sure he also performed well throughout his career to advance. If you went to school, put in all the work in your career just to have some BS take it away how the hell would you feel.

He's white and he's rich, therefor he isn't a person.

 

[Bluto]

You need to get money out of your head. That is not the issue at hand.

He went to school long enough to get a PhD so he could get to that level. I am sure he also performed well throughout his career to advance. If you went to school, put in all the work in your career just to have some BS take it away how the hell would you feel.

No money and power are exactly the issue at hand as they more often that not dicatate whether one's life is going to be "ruined" by a temporary spate of unemployment.

 

[Bluto]

I don't know if Tim Wolfe is a bad uy or a good guy. Let's assume he's a normal guy.

So a normal guy spends his life building a career and gets to a good point. He provides for his family, etc. etc. and then loses his job. Not only does he lose his job, but there are only a few dozen equivalent jobs across the country. It's a guarantee that he will not be hired for an equivalent job as 1) none are open 2) given the circumstances, none will hire him because it would make headlines. So he'll either have to completely change career he has invested his life into building, or take a serious step back.

Everything he has worked for in a career in higher education is effectively ruined (not to mention the tarnish to his name), and you called it a "minor inconvenience."

You're making a bunch of assumptions. He's not going to have to change anything. He'll have another high paying job in short order. That's the whole point. I get that this is a ND site but damn you guys need to get out in the world and see some real "ruined" lives and develop a new baseline for what that means.

 

[Bluto]

He's white and he's rich, therefor he isn't a person.

Why do you all keep bringing up race? I didn't say jack about him being white.

 

[IrishLax]

You're making a bunch of assumptions. He's not going to have to change anything. He'll have another high paying job in short order.

There are 50 states. Please show me which state university system president job he is going to get. Heck, please explain even a hypothetical remotely equivalent higher education job he is going to get.

The thing is... I get your larger point. It's not a "tragedy" because he'll be "fine" in the end.

But your lack or sympathy and perspective is really disappointing.

 

[yankeehater]

He's white and he's rich, therefor he isn't a person.

According to a Professor at the University of Colorado-Denver, "Whiteness" is now a disease.

Heck, maybe I can get disability or something now.

 

[Bluto]

There are 50 states. Please show me which state university system president job he is going to get. Heck, please explain even a hypothetical remotely equivalent higher education job he is going to get.

The thing is... I get your larger point. It's not a "tragedy" because he'll be "fine" in the end.

But your lack or sympathy and perspective is really disappointing.

My lack of sympathy is based on the overblown nature of this fellows "tragedy" presented in this thread. Trust me on a personal level yeah that would suck. I know plenty of people who have been laid off for many reasons. It sucks. But attempting to equate the suckiness of the situation of a fellow who was forced to resign due to his inability to engage with and deescalate the situation between himself and as it turns out a rather powerful group of his black constituents with true "tragedy", which seems to be the narrative here, is rediculous.

 

[NDPhilly]

Anyone have an over under on how long until Obama comments on this?

Clay Travis summed up why this entire story is bullshit here:
Is the entire Mizzou Protest Based on Lies? | FOX Sports

 

[kmoose]

Anyone have an over under on how long until Obama comments on this?

Clay Travis summed up why this entire story is bullshit here:
Is the entire Mizzou Protest Based on Lies? | FOX Sports

Even worse yet; I would not be at all surprised if, 5 years from now, someone is discussing incidents of racism on college campuses and mentions Missouri University, pointing out that the racism there was so bad that the President and Chancellor were both forced to resign.

 

[woolybug25]

My lack of sympathy is based on the overblown nature of this fellows "tragedy" presented in this thread. Trust me on a personal level yeah that would suck. I know plenty of people who have been laid off for many reasons. It sucks. But attempting to equate the suckiness of the situation of a fellow who was forced to resign due to his inability to engage with and deescalate the situation between himself and as it turns out a rather powerful group of his black constituents with true "tragedy", which seems to be the narrative here, is rediculous.

What "true tragedy" did these students have? Got called a mean name once? Saw something unpleasant once? The millionaire hunger strike?

I think a man losing his career when he has two children and zero chance of getting a job in the career he spent his life achieving, when it's clear that he was put in a no win situation, is a little bit more tragic than a kid claiming he got called a mean name off campus. Sorry, that sounds like more of a tragedy than a bunch of kids claiming racism, which by the way, ZERO actual evidence exists to verify their stories.

 

[wizards8507]

Genuinely embarrassed by the way ESPN is covering this. Disgusting.

 

[gkIrish]

Hey Bluto...minor inconvenience for this professor too?

Mizzou prof. resigns following outrage over his refusal to cancel exam

 

[Cackalacky]

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[T Town Tommy]

You're making a bunch of assumptions. I could give two shits about that other stuff. What I have an issue with is this idea that this guy had his life "ruined". Stick to the topic.

Nothing you could tell me about "reverse racism" would blow my mind. Unless it involves someone you knew being killed specifically because of their race. I've heard enough of the boo hoo my uncle didn't get hired because he was white bullshit stories to last me a lifetime thanks.

First off, you were the one who stated you had been the recipient of racism in the past so you actually brought that up. I simply replied that we all have been victims of that so big deal. Maybe you didn't read my comment very well. I stated it wasn't one or two positions. It was over 2,000 positions. If the taxpayers in that particular state actually knew what was going on, they would probably have stormed the gates of the capitol building. Like I said, we all have faced racism and discrimination based on the color of our skin. Big freaking deal dude.

 

[Bluto]

What "true tragedy" did these students have? Got called a mean name once? Saw something unpleasant once? The millionaire hunger strike?

I think a man losing his career when he has two children and zero chance of getting a job in the career he spent his life achieving, when it's clear that he was put in a no win situation, is a little bit more tragic than a kid claiming he got called a mean name off campus. Sorry, that sounds like more of a tragedy than a bunch of kids claiming racism, which by the way, ZERO actual evidence exists to verify their stories.

I'm not debating what the students did or did not face. I'm taking issue with the all the hand ringing going on over some rich school president who resigned in the face of criticism. Not exactly Oedipus the King material.

 

[Bluto]

Hey Bluto...minor inconvenience for this professor too?

Mizzou prof. resigns following outrage over his refusal to cancel exam

Beats me. He decided to resign. I'm sure he'll find a job and or retire with his big fat benifits and pension package that conservatives hate.

 

[Bluto]

First off, you were the one who stated you had been the recipient of racism in the past so you actually brought that up. I simply replied that we all have been victims of that so big deal. Maybe you didn't read my comment very well. I stated it wasn't one or two positions. It was over 2,000 positions. If the taxpayers in that particular state actually knew what was going on, they would probably have stormed the gates of the capitol building. Like I said, we all have faced racism and discrimination based on the color of our skin. Big freaking deal dude.

So why didn't you report it to the press and why were the gates not stormed? Probably because your making this up.