'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[blueNDgold44]

Was I the only one who loved the bird flapping celebration? lol

+1. Temple was chirping all night. Give it right back to em.

 

[ThePiombino]

I really hope everything works out and all 3 stay, but I'm just not seeing a puppy dogs and rainbows outcome. MZ might even get a med RS (can anyone in the know confirm?)

Fairly certain two years need to be lost to injury.

I love MZ but I'm starting to love Kizer too. Just so much nicer watching a big bodiee, 6'5" qb that has the stones for the position. If he keeps slowly getting better IDK how he's not our starter next year. And why on earth is BK not getting coach of the year recognition? Our recording all things considered is great.

Guess we'll have to revisit that thought later.

 

[Irish YJ]

DK got Dilfer's dime of the week on ESPN

 

[Bogtrotter07]

For the season :

9 Kevin Hogan, STAN 30.0 12.2 -9.4 3.5 36.3 244 78.1 83.3
10 DeShone Kizer, ND 29.2 14.7 -6.7 3.1 40.2 290 75.5 83.0
13 Cody Kessler, USC 41.7 4.7 -11.1 -1.2 33.9 306 71.9 80.1
16 Jared Goff, CAL 49.8 4.1 -13.8 1.6 41.7 377 71.2 78.4
18 Connor Cook, MSU 48.4 3.9 -6.5 3.1 48.8 307 78.8 77.3
23 Gunner Kiel, CIN 25.6 0.7 -1.8 2.8 27.2 200 76.9 75.7
38 Josh Rosen, UCLA 34.0 0.1 -4.4 -0.5 29.2 341 66.0 68.3
46 Everett Golson, FSU 32.7 -1.5 -11.7 -0.2 19.2 281 57.7 65.8

Weekly :

1 Gunner Kiel, CIN W 52-7 vs UCF 6.4 0.0 0.0 0.5 7.0 22 99.5 99.1
2 DeShone Kizer, ND W 24-20 @ TEM 3.4 8.0 0.0 2.0 13.4 58 88.5 94.4

 

[KPENN]

Guess we'll have to revisit that thought later.

 

[ulukinatme]

I thought the bird flapping was innocent enough and justified given we just scored.

That or maybe he sees Angels?

 

[ndfi78]

How DeShone Kizer came to be the key to Notre Dame's College Football Playoff hopes

Good article on Kizer

 

[koonja]

Is this year's Deshone the best QB BK has had at ND? I'm torn between this year's Deshone and last year's Golson.

Kizer is going to start next year and have a hell of a career IMO. I feel really bad for Malik and sort of bad for Wimbush.

 

[PANDFAN]

Is this year's Deshone the best QB BK has had at ND? I'm torn between this year's Deshone and last year's Golson.

Kizer is going to start next year and have a hell of a career IMO. I feel really bad for Malik and sort of bad for Wimbush.

come on koon....turnover city?

 

[koonja]

come on koon....turnover city?

He was a better passer than Deshone IMO. A lot more TDs and interceptions. But I'm almost OK with that. Deshone does have a better offense around him too.

 

[KPENN]

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[Booslum31]

Is this year's Deshone the best QB BK has had at ND? I'm torn between this year's Deshone and last year's Golson.

Kizer is going to start next year and have a hell of a career IMO. I feel really bad for Malik and sort of bad for Wimbush.

"Not so fast Mister..."Anyway, I'm hoping we keep the QB situation/competition discussion on hold until we are done this year. I like DK has done this year but man...MZ is a boss. Good problem to have IMO. I think you also meant the first six games for Golson...right?

 

[koonja]

"Not so fast Mister..."Anyway, I'm hoping we keep the QB situation/competition discussion on hold until we are done this year. I like DK has done this year but man...MZ is a boss. Good problem to have IMO. I think you also meant the first six games for Golson...right?

No I'm questioning if he's better this year than Golson last year all together. When you think of the TO's it seems obvious, but Golson was also asked to do way too much last year. Either way, damn glad we can sit here at 7-1 and think Kizer might be the best ND QB in the past 5 years and it has nothing to do with his potential and how young he is.

 

[Irish Insanity]

The fact last year's Golson made it in the discussion instantly nullifies your opinion. That's an insult to Kizer. Hell any year with Rees at the helm would've been more acceptable.

 

[koonja]

The fact last year's Golson made it in the discussion instantly nullifies your opinion. That's an insult to Kizer. Hell any year with Rees at the helm would've been more acceptable.

Golson 2014: 3,445 yards, 29 TDs, 14 INTs, 8.07 YPA, 143.6 rating.

Kizer through half the games: 1,669 yards, 11 TDs, 6 INTs, 8.9 YPA, 152 rating (with a better team).

Ward, I think you were a little hard on the beaver. So was Eddie Haskel, Wally, and Ms. Cleaver.

 

[wizards8507]

Golson 2014: 3,445 yards, 29 TDs, 14 INTs, 8.07 YPA, 143.6 rating.

Kizer through half the games: 1,669 yards, 11 TDs, 6 INTs, 8.9 YPA, 152 rating (with a better team).

Ward, I think you were a little hard on the beaver. So was Eddie Haskel, Wally, and Ms. Cleaver.

Neither fumbles nor fumbles lost are included in passing statistics.

 

[Booslum31]

Golson 2014: 3,445 yards, 29 TDs, 14 INTs, 8.07 YPA, 143.6 rating.

Kizer through half the games: 1,669 yards, 11 TDs, 6 INTs, 8.9 YPA, 152 rating (with a better team).

Ward, I think you were a little hard on the beaver. So was Eddie Haskel, Wally, and Ms. Cleaver.

That was good.

 

[koonja]

That was good.

Insanity is from Detroit so that was my shoutout to him. #313Life

 

[Irish Insanity]

Golson 2014: 3,445 yards, 29 TDs, 14 INTs, 8.07 YPA, 143.6 rating.

Kizer through half the games: 1,669 yards, 11 TDs, 6 INTs, 8.9 YPA, 152 rating (with a better team).

Ward, I think you were a little hard on the beaver. So was Eddie Haskel, Wally, and Ms. Cleaver.

Dude, Golson had a rotational season with Rees under his belt prior to last year. Kizer is a RS freshman who wasn't preparing himself to see the field until 2017. Kizer has had 'it' from day 1, Golson never will. Kizer has the team, Golson never did. Kizer takes critisism, learns from his mistakes, and gets better every week. He seems to have open communication with his coaches. Golson never had the team, never took critisism, never learned from his mistakes (actually made more as he progressed), and didn't listen to anyone.

Oh, and Golson QUIT ON THE TEAM LAST YEAR. I'd probably take Crist at his worst over Golson last year.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Dude, Golson had a rotational season with Rees under his belt prior to last year. Kizer is a RS freshman who wasn't preparing himself to see the field until 2017. Kizer has had 'it' from day 1, Golson never will. Kizer has the team, Golson never did. Kizer takes critisism, learns from his mistakes, and gets better every week. He seems to have open communication with his coaches. Golson never had the team, never took critisism, never learned from his mistakes (actually made more as he progressed), and didn't listen to anyone.

Oh, and Golson QUIT ON THE TEAM LAST YEAR. I'd probably take Crist at his worst over Golson last year.

Agreed. Id take Kizer 10/10 times over Golson.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm not ready to say that we should turn this team over to Kizer in 2016 like Koon says. There will likely be a QB competition in the spring and fall, and I expect both Kizer and Zaire to fight for it. Zaire is driven to be the best, and Kelly already told Zaire's mom that it's still his team. For that reason I don't expect Kizer just to start next year. November is a long month, and we seem to struggle in November when you look back through our history. Lets see if we can come out unscathed and if Kizer leads us through it.

 

[ndfi78]

I will say this, if Kizer takes us through the season with one loss and then wins or performs well in a major bowl/playoffs there should be no debate as who the starter will be next year. He will have earned it, plain and simple.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I will say this, if Kizer takes us through the season with one loss and then wins or performs well in a major bowl/playoffs there should be no debate as who the starter will be next year. He will have earned it, plain and simple.

But Zaire was undefeated last year

 

[koonja]

Dude, Golson had a rotational season with Rees under his belt prior to last year. Kizer is a RS freshman who wasn't preparing himself to see the field until 2017. Kizer has had 'it' from day 1, Golson never will. Kizer has the team, Golson never did. Kizer takes critisism, learns from his mistakes, and gets better every week. He seems to have open communication with his coaches. Golson never had the team, never took critisism, never learned from his mistakes (actually made more as he progressed), and didn't listen to anyone.

Oh, and Golson QUIT ON THE TEAM LAST YEAR. I'd probably take Crist at his worst over Golson last year.

I think you'd take Kizer anyway which is fine, but to be clear I wasn't asking who was better given the circumstances. I'm saying if you had one year to win (RS, year w/ Rees doen't matter), who'd you take? I'm torn. That's a compliment to Kizer, btw, especially since he's so young.

 

[SoDakDomer]

I will say this, if Kizer takes us through the season with one loss and then wins or performs well in a major bowl/playoffs there should be no debate as who the starter will be next year. He will have earned it, plain and simple.

Honestly I don't see a scenario were both of them don't contribute. Lets say Kizer wins the job. We have a lead in the 4th qtr and we are trying to ice the game by running the ball for a few first downs. You could bring in Malik to help the run game against a stacked box. We wouldn't have to worry about running him to much. If Malik wins the job and with his style of play I just have a hard time seeing him making it through an entire season without missing a few games.

I think that if Malik plays the Clemson game we win that game. Basically because we would have been able to run the ball more effectively against a loaded box in that monsoon. I don't think we have enough film on Malik yet to really effectively determine what kind of a passer he is. I really like all THREE of our QB's. We are a very lucky program in that regard.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I think you'd take Kizer anyway which is fine, but to be clear I wasn't asking who was better given the circumstances. I'm saying if you had one year to win (RS, year w/ Rees doen't matter), who'd you take? I'm torn. That's a compliment to Kizer, btw, especially since he's so young.

If I had one year to win I'd take Kizer over Golson, and it's not even close. He has 'it', the belief and respect of the team, and takes coaching well. Golson had none of those 3.

And by the way, I've never been a Golson basher and supported him on here when he left.

 

[BobbyMac]

I will say this, if Kizer takes us through the season with one loss and then wins or performs well in a major bowl/playoffs there should be no debate as who the starter will be next year. He will have earned it, plain and simple.

There will always be a debate because you get what you earn daily. There will be an open competition and the best guy will win and the other will play too. The Irish have two more years of MZ and DK with BW competing too. CBK and Sanford have to manage this carefully.

That being said, nothing would surprise me except MZ not being the starter. Dude's an alpha dog and there is no doubt, this is his team... not Jaylon's, not Martin's or Stanley's, not Schmidt's, not Kizer's. Malik is the guy who led this team out of the post 2012 fog of doubt. Yes, even with last years team being a flag away from beating FSU and being 7-0, it was still led by a guy who WASN'T leading the team. He was the team's arm, that's it. He let others be the mouth, brains, heart and soul. Malik is all of that.

He simply always believed and once the staff stopped fighting it, the others followed and bought in 100%.

.

 

[ulukinatme]

I will say this, if Kizer takes us through the season with one loss and then wins or performs well in a major bowl/playoffs there should be no debate as who the starter will be next year. He will have earned it, plain and simple.

Yeah, I said this after the Virginia game. If Kizer leads us to the playoff, and if he won it, he would likely be the starter. It would be tough not to start him in 2016, although look at Urban Meyer, he's flipped between Cardale and Barrett a few times this year. That scenario aside, I still think it's Zaire since he was #1 prior to the injury.

 

[koonja]

Yeah, I said this after the Virginia game. If Kizer leads us to the playoff, and if he won it, he would likely be the starter. It would be tough not to start him in 2016, although look at Urban Meyer, he's flipped between Cardale and Barrett a few times this year. That scenario aside, I still think it's Zaire since he was #1 prior to the injury.

You guys could be right, but that injury is a big deal and Kizer will be the more experienced QB based on games played by a significant margin this time around.

 

[ulukinatme]

You guys could be right, but that injury is a big deal and Kizer will be the more experienced QB based on games played by a significant margin this time around.

Next year will be a very different year. Zaire will be healthy, as will Tarean, and Smythe. Martin and Stanley will be gone. Brown will be gone, and possibly Fuller. It'll be a very different team, and there's no telling how Kizer will operate. He goes to Fuller a lot, for obvious reasons, but if the Fuller safety net isn't there maybe we have to focus on running the ball more which would play more favorably for Zaire. Too many variables, and we need to see how Kizer responds in November and bowl season.