'11 CA LB Joe Schmidt (Scholarship Earned)

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame LB Joe Schmidt is converting 67% of his tackle attempts this season... avg rate for all defensive players we've charted: 86.9%</p>— CFB Film Room (@CFBFilmRoom) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/659763048593256448">October 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jaylon Smith carrying the Notre Dame linebackers this season... <a href="https://t.co/5Dp6XcOglN">pic.twitter.com/5Dp6XcOglN</a></p>— CFB Film Room (@CFBFilmRoom) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/659760438159106048">October 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame LB Joe Schmidt is converting 67% of his tackle attempts this season... avg rate for all defensive players we've charted: 86.9%</p>— CFB Film Room (@CFBFilmRoom) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/659763048593256448">October 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Wonder what the average rate is for LBs, who are typically the best tacklers on the defense. I'd imagine it's higher than 87%.
 

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So that's just the tackles he's attempted and not the ones he's not fast enough to get to. Ouch
 

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Those tackle numbers are different than that of ND's official stats with regards to tackles. Jaylon - 56 and Schmidt - 41 so there could be also be some differences in how many missed tackles they see versus the coaches but it probably doesn't change the picture that much.
 

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Those tackle numbers are different than that of ND's official stats with regards to tackles. Jaylon - 56 and Schmidt - 41 so there could be also be some differences in how many missed tackles they see versus the coaches but it probably doesn't change the picture that much.

Why are your stats wrong?
Yes, we know our stats don’t match up with the numbers you’re seeing elsewhere. There are a number of reasons for this.
Most frequently, especially with common statistics such as rushing and passing yards, it’s because we believe the NCAA’s policy for recording official statistics is archaic, at best, and often just flat out illogical.
The most common question we get is in regards to rushing and passing yards. When our stats differ in these categories it is almost always due to our policies on tap passes and sacks.
Unlike the NCAA, we do not treat sacks as negative rushing yards. Because they’re, well, not running plays.
We also choose to treat tap passes and other short pitches or shovel passes as handoffs rather than passes. The NCAA treats anything that leaves the quarterback’s hand and travels forward as a pass. This is a little more simplistic and easier for them to differentiate, but we feel it doesn’t paint an accurate picture of what happened.
As for “official” defensive stats. Well, those are just plain fiction. Defensive statistics at the college level (and even in the NFL) are dramatically overinflated. Our analysts go over every play to identify the player actually responsible for the tackle, sack, etc. rather that just create a fictitious list everyone who piled on or was in the vicinity of the tackle.

Why are your advanced stats different from other sites?
Most advanced stats are subjective, there’s just no way around that. But we can remove most of the subjective element by creating a definition to follow. For example, what is a contested catch? Your definition might be different than ours, but our analysts are all trained to follow the same critera for every advanced stat.
If you’re comparing one advanced stats source to another, you’re comparing two different definitions. But if you compare two players’ stats from the same source, you have them on a level playing field and both sources are equally valuable, even if the exact numbers are different.
 

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Remember when Joe said he cleaned up apt of his issues and had a good game a few weeks ago.
 

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Don't some of you guys get tired of being in this thread posting the same thing over and over?

Fast forward to this thread October 29, 2016.

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"I can't believe Morgan had 13 tackles yesterday. He was all over the place."

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"Yeah, Joe couldn't have done that. Should have played Morgan last year regardless of what BK said."
 

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Don't some of you guys get tired of being in this thread posting the same thing over and over?

Fast forward to this thread October 29, 2016.

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"I can't believe Morgan had 13 tackles yesterday. He was all over the place."

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"Yeah, Joe couldn't have done that. Should have played Morgan last year regardless of what BK said."

After Purdue in 2020:

"Man, some of those Boilermakers tackled like Joe Schmidt. GUYS DO YOU REMEMBER HOW TERRIBLE JOE SCHMIDT WAS AND ALL THE TACKLES HE MISSED???"
 

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After Purdue in 2020:

"Man, some of those Boilermakers tackled like Joe Schmidt. GUYS DO YOU REMEMBER HOW TERRIBLE JOE SCHMIDT WAS AND ALL THE TACKLES HE MISSED???"

Still not as bad as seeing Carlo playing Nose Guard.

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Why are your stats wrong?
Yes, we know our stats don’t match up with the numbers you’re seeing elsewhere. There are a number of reasons for this.
Most frequently, especially with common statistics such as rushing and passing yards, it’s because we believe the NCAA’s policy for recording official statistics is archaic, at best, and often just flat out illogical.
The most common question we get is in regards to rushing and passing yards. When our stats differ in these categories it is almost always due to our policies on tap passes and sacks.
Unlike the NCAA, we do not treat sacks as negative rushing yards. Because they’re, well, not running plays.
We also choose to treat tap passes and other short pitches or shovel passes as handoffs rather than passes. The NCAA treats anything that leaves the quarterback’s hand and travels forward as a pass. This is a little more simplistic and easier for them to differentiate, but we feel it doesn’t paint an accurate picture of what happened.
As for “official” defensive stats. Well, those are just plain fiction. Defensive statistics at the college level (and even in the NFL) are dramatically overinflated. Our analysts go over every play to identify the player actually responsible for the tackle, sack, etc. rather that just create a fictitious list everyone who piled on or was in the vicinity of the tackle.

Why are your advanced stats different from other sites?
Most advanced stats are subjective, there’s just no way around that. But we can remove most of the subjective element by creating a definition to follow. For example, what is a contested catch? Your definition might be different than ours, but our analysts are all trained to follow the same critera for every advanced stat.
If you’re comparing one advanced stats source to another, you’re comparing two different definitions. But if you compare two players’ stats from the same source, you have them on a level playing field and both sources are equally valuable, even if the exact numbers are different.
Drift: I've always thought there needed to be an adjusted interception category for interceptions that were the receiver's fault as opposed to the quarterback. It would obviously need to be a judgment call like hits versus errors in baseball, but there's no reason why something like Brady's interception against the Colts should be "charged" to Brady when his receiver popped it off his broken finger right to the defense.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame LB Joe Schmidt is converting 67% of his tackle attempts this season... avg rate for all defensive players we've charted: 86.9%</p>— CFB Film Room (@CFBFilmRoom) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/659763048593256448">October 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Actually by this graphic, Onwualu and Martini somewhat are carrying the linebackers.* Silly CFB Film Room, weak-side linebackers are supposed to clean up and rock the stats!

Even an ijiut like me knows that!

* Onwualu at 13%; Martini at 22%; versus Smith at 9%. Jaylon Smith is certainly one of the best to play the college game, but the angles and opportunities from the weak-side position in BVG's defense are absurd. AND, BK and BVG have stated numerous times they are doing everything they can to put Jaylon in a position to assassinate the ball carrier. I don't consider + or - 4% significant between strong and weak-side. And if you would look at Grace's numbers, they are awesome, although the rep size is too small.
 
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Drift: I've always thought there needed to be an adjusted interception category for interceptions that were the receiver's fault as opposed to the quarterback. It would obviously need to be a judgment call like hits versus errors in baseball, but there's no reason why something like Brady's interception against the Colts should be "charged" to Brady when his receiver popped it off his broken finger right to the defense.

That reminds me of a few years ago when Eli had something ridiculous like 20-something INTs and it honestly felt like, at least, half were Reuben Randle's fault. He'd run the wrong route or balls that just simply 'slipped' through his fingers.
 

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Speaking to someone close to the situation, Nyles Morgan chooses the wrong gap every other play. He just can't grasp it yet and it's beyond maddening for the coaches. Schmidt and Grace get it, but Morgan just doesn't. Fans should stop listening to the BS that coaches always throw out there (as if they will throw a sophomore under the bus like that) and read between the lines. I personally think the question should be about why is the defense so dependent on a MLB getting everyone lined up. Jaime from ISD swears that the defense isn't complicated but the number of plays is what can be overwhelming. I tend to believe him.

Is it something the staff or whoever is close to the situation believes can be corrected in time?

IMO, it was obvious last year the game was moving too fast for him. He looked uncomfortable all the time. The game slows down as you gain experience and I think that can be cured. Just curious if they believe it's a deeper problem, like a complete inability to grasp concepts or a lack of instincts, that simply cannot be cured.
 

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Is it something the staff or whoever is close to the situation believes can be corrected in time?

IMO, it was obvious last year the game was moving too fast for him. He looked uncomfortable all the time. The game slows down as you gain experience and I think that can be cured. Just curious if they believe it's a deeper problem, like a complete inability to grasp concepts or a lack of instincts, that simply cannot be cured.

That's the problem. The coaches would rather watch Joe's inability to make a tackle or get to the spot time and time than give Nyles or anybody else a chance to gain experience. If he was playing even 20-25 snaps a game the game would be slower than Joe Schmidt filling a hole to him right now.
 

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That's the problem. The coaches would rather watch Joe's inability to make a tackle or get to the spot time and time than give Nyles or anybody else a chance to gain experience. If he was playing even 20-25 snaps a game the game would be slower than Joe Schmidt filling a hole to him right now.

While I'm certainly not on the I'm sick of Joe train like some of you, I don't see why Nyles can't be getting snaps in the game on D. I've seen Coney(4?) in there a couple of times and if he can get in so can Nyles. Plus he needs the experience for next year so be smart coaches and give him some
 

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I'm hoping Nyles gets plenty of opportunities to come in for Joe in the next 4 games. Wake will be a certainty, Pitt unlikely, but hopefully we pull away in the 2nd half from both Temple and BC.
 

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'11 CA LB Joe Schmidt (Scholarship Earned)

He looks worse every week if that is possible.
 

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There was a play in the 2nd quarter I think where he just stood there for a few seconds while a WR ran to him and engaged and totally dominated him after that. It was pathetic.
 
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Yes that WR totally took him out of the play. You can't have your MLB getting whooped by WR in the middle of the field like that.

Nyles must be horrible to keep rolling Joe out there. I know the coaches love him, but how many times can you miss tackles, miss runners, etc?
 

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He almost got to the tackle that Baratti missed. If we only had someone with a bit more speed at that position.
 
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Yes that WR totally took him out of the play. You can't have your MLB getting whooped by WR in the middle of the field like that.

Nyles must be horrible to keep rolling Joe out there. I know the coaches love him, but how many times can you miss tackles, miss runners, etc?


You gotta wonder. Especially after last year with Everett. Malik should've gotten a lot more snaps with all the turnovers Everett made.
 

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I refuse to believe Nyles is THAT bad, to the point where he can't even spell Joe time. I don't care how he is in practice, because as we've seen players play differently in the game. Jesus Christ, Joe shouldn't even be in there all game to begin with, given that he's hurt. Wake up VanGorder!
 

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We absolutely need to start getting Nyles some snaps. I'm not saying bench Joe completely, but I said in September that Nyles should be coming in for a play or two every series at least to give Joe a breather and to get him experience. Are you telling me that Jaylon, Onwaulu, and/or Day can't get the front 7 lined up? There's a lot of experience between those 3, not to mention guys like Romeo and Isaac that know what they're doing. Hell, if Nyles can't do it, maybe throw Grace in there. He was the starter over Schmidt prior to getting hurt, put him in for a few plays. Grace was great against Georgia Tech.
 
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