2016 Presidential Horse Race

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Polish Leppy 22

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You have no idea, do you? The financial crisis of 2008 was caused by the Community Reinvestment Act. Introduced in the House by Henry Reuss (D-WI), passed by a Democrat House and Senate, and signed into law by Jimmy Carter. It was then reformed in the 1990s at the insistence of William Jefferson "BJ" Clinton (and a complicit Republican congress). Subprime lending (i.e. giving mortgages to people who couldn't afford it) occurred because of regulation, not in spite of it.

This. Over and over and over again. Government caused the mess, government came in promising to "fix" the mess with bailouts, government then passed a stimulus and unemployment rose.
 

Polish Leppy 22

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Sometimes I feel like they stopped teaching basic civics around 1982 (thanks Reagan). What the Reagan administration did do was work with Tip O'Neil to actually pass legislation that addressed various issues that the county was dealing with. Now, O'Neil could have been a complete putz like the present day Republican caucus and nothing would have been accomplished during the entire Reagan administration.

1) Reagan set the tone for that administration, not freakin Tip O'Neill.

2) These days Reagan would be a right wing "extremist", as would JFK.
 

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1) Reagan set the tone for that administration, not freakin Tip O'Neill.

2) These days Reagan would be a right wing "extremist", as would JFK.

LOL. Reagan would be a RINO now. Amnesty, raising some tax rates after admitting that they had been lowered too much, etc.

Also the national debt greatly increased under Reagan.
 
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LOL. Reagan would be a RINO now. Amnesty, raising some tax rates after admitting that they had been lowered too much, etc.


He'd still be a rock star, though, because he would be kicking Al-Qaida's @ss, and the asses of all of their offshoot groups, as well.
Actually, now that I think about it; there probably wouldn't be any offshoot groups, once they saw how badly Reagan was kicking Uncle Al's @ss.
 

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This. Over and over and over again. Government caused the mess, government came in promising to "fix" the mess with bailouts, government then passed a stimulus and unemployment rose.

Reagan's policies were what one would do to pull the country out of recession. He put us in stimulous mode -- dramatic increases in spending, huge cuts in taxes. The problem is that stimulous measures are usually pulled back when the trouble passes, but Reagan's policies became irreversable Republican doctrine. Their answer to everything has been "reduce taxes, roll back regulation, more military spending" since he took office and through today. The GOP is convinced that if they just do what Reagan did, they will have the same results. The problem with that is, it is stimulous upon perpetual stimulous. Too much stimulation is terrible for the economy. Their are instances when measured stimulous is great for the economy. Reagan's recovery from the recession of the late 70s is a great example, but long term refusal to raise revenue to run the government, and handing the government over to big businesses has gutted the middle class and made life for everyday citizens worse, not better. And since the levers of power are now operated by the big corporations who benefit most from them, there is little hope that they are going to hand that power back willingly.

When Dems are in office, the fierce backlash to roll back any of those policies makes it near impossible to set the country on the right track. When you say "Government caused this mess," I fully agree, and it is Ronald Reagan who launched us in that direction. We need to invest in this country's infrastructure -- power grid, roads and bridges, sewage systems. This will create jobs -- good paying jobs that will get this country moving in the right direction again while bringing in new tax revenue. Let's use that money to invest in renewable energy, get away from fossile fuels and get out of the Middle East once and for all and let them finish their ancient feuds without our intervention. I'm tired of watching news reports about dead American soldiers ... aren't the Republicans? I suppose not. They always seem willing to build and drop more bombs on just about anyone. We need to reform education to prepare the workforce who will drive this economy in the future.

I know, you will say we can't afford such things. I say we cannot afford not to have them. You will say the real problem is with the social programs that help the poor and the underserved. That helping our own people is unsustainable but doing anything but spending 10 times what any other country in the world spends on the military is absolutely unspeakable. Your party was all for stimulous when the Gipper was running things. It's almost like the love of party and its infallible diety is greater than the love of country.
 
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He'd still be a rock star, though, because he would be kicking Al-Qaida's @ss, and the asses of all of their offshoot groups, as well.
Actually, now that I think about it; there probably wouldn't be any offshoot groups, once they saw how badly Reagan was kicking Uncle Al's @ss.

Based on..? How he acted after Beirut?
 

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LOL. Reagan would be a RINO now. Amnesty, raising some tax rates after admitting that they had been lowered too much, etc.

Also the national debt greatly increased under Reagan.

He worked with the Democrats, for Christ sake. He would be viewed as a traitor.
 

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Sounds like this pertains to the current discussion in Big Gov and Big Business. Thoughts?
 
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ACamp1900

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Does anyone here actually think Hillary isn't our next pres? Really? I mean, put politics aside and predict, the media is clearly all in, low info voters will line up in droves just on name recognition,... It's really done already in my mind, and here comes another eight years of yet another pres I wouldn't donate a kidney to...
 
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Cackalacky

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Does anyone here actually think Hillary isn't our next pres? Really? I mean, put politics aside and predict, the media is clearly all in, low info voters will line up in droves just on name recognition,... It's really done already in my mind, and here comes another eight years of yet another pres I wouldn't donate a kidney to...

I will reserve judgement until after the Dems primaries are done. But I think anyone beats what the Republicans have there right now.
 

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Does anyone here actually think Hillary isn't our next pres? Really? I mean, put politics aside and predict, the media is clearly all in, low info voters will line up in droves just on name recognition,... It's really done already in my mind, and here comes another eight years of yet another pres I wouldn't donate a kidney to...

I think you are correct, unfortunately. At least Tillery will be happy.
 

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Reagan's policies were what one would do to pull the country out of recession. He put us in stimulous mode -- dramatic increases in spending, huge cuts in taxes. The problem is that stimulous measures are usually pulled back when the trouble passes, but Reagan's policies became irreversable Republican doctrine. Their answer to everything has been "reduce taxes, roll back regulation, more military spending" since he took office and through today. The GOP is convinced that if they just do what Reagan did, they will have the same results. The problem with that is, it is stimulous upon perpetual stimulous. Too much stimulation is terrible for the economy. Their are instances when measured stimulous is great for the economy. Reagan's recovery from the recession of the late 70s is a great example, but long term refusal to raise revenue to run the government, and handing the government over to big businesses has gutted the middle class and made life for everyday citizens worse, not better. And since the levers of power are now operated by the big corporations who benefit most from them, there is little hope that they are going to hand that power back willingly.

When Dems are in office, the fierce backlash to roll back any of those policies makes it near impossible to set the country on the right track. When you say "Government caused this mess," I fully agree, and it is Ronald Reagan who launched us in that direction. We need to invest in this country's infrastructure -- power grid, roads and bridges, sewage systems. This will create jobs -- good paying jobs that will get this country moving in the right direction again while bringing in new tax revenue. Let's use that money to invest in renewable energy, get away from fossile fuels and get out of the Middle East once and for all and let them finish their ancient feuds without our intervention. I'm tired of watching news reports about dead American soldiers ... aren't the Republicans? I suppose not. They always seem willing to build and drop more bombs on just about anyone. We need to reform education to prepare the workforce who will drive this economy in the future.

I know, you will say we can't afford such things. I say we cannot afford not to have them. You will say the real problem is with the social programs that help the poor and the underserved. That helping our own people is unsustainable but doing anything but spending 10 times what any other country in the world spends on the military is absolutely unspeakable. Your party was all for stimulous when the Gipper was running things. It's almost like the love of party and its infallible diety is greater than the love of country.

My dad spent 30+ years making Hoover vacuum cleaners. Your pal Clinton signed NAFTA in law, saying "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement." NAFTA allowed TTI Floorcare to finally move the last remaining American jobs to it's plant in Juarez, Mexico. So, from my personal perspective, your beloved Democrats fvcked an entire city that(at the time) depended on the income from Hoover and wiped out about 3,000 blue collar jobs in my very small part of the world.
 

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Does anyone here actually think Hillary isn't our next pres. I mean, put politics aside and predict, the media is clearly all in, low info voters will line up in droves just on name recognition,... It's really done already in my mind, and here comes another eight years of yet another pres I wouldn't donate a kidney to...
I don't think so. The low information crowd certainly hate Republicans, but they don't love Hillary like they loved O so they won't turn out. If the Republican nominee runs a moderately competent campaign, they should win fairly comfortably.
 

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My dad spent 30+ years making Hoover vacuum cleaners. Your pal Clinton signed NAFTA in law, saying "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement." NAFTA allowed TTI Floorcare to finally move the last remaining American jobs to it's plant in Juarez, Mexico. So, from my personal perspective, your beloved Democrats fvcked an entire city that(at the time) depended on the income from Hoover and wiped out about 3,000 blue collar jobs in my very small part of the world.

You will get no argument from me here. But again, this is part of a continuum that puts big business ahead of the little guy. We have little to gain as a nation from these trade deals. Big corporations on the other hand ...

And by the way I did not vote for Clinton either time.
 
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ACamp1900

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I will reserve judgement until after the Dems primaries are done. But I think anyone beats what the Republicans have there right now.

You personally would take Hillary over Rubio, Kasich or Paul?
 

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Does anyone here actually think Hillary isn't our next pres? Really? I mean, put politics aside and predict, the media is clearly all in, low info voters will line up in droves just on name recognition,... It's really done already in my mind, and here comes another eight years of yet another pres I wouldn't donate a kidney to...

I wouldn't go as far as saying she absolutely won't be the next pres but I don't agree it's a done deal. She's just not "likeable" and it'll be an issue no different than it was when she lost the primary to Obama. I don't think you or I would have voted for either of them for policy reasons but if we just focus on demeanor, appearance, presentation, etc, he absolutely crushed her. She had no charisma or likeability standing next to him. I'm not sure any of the dems could make her look as foolish but I think a couple of candidates in the GOP could do the same.
 

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I think you are correct, unfortunately. At least Tillery will be happy.

Ditto...

Knew she wasn't going to be indicted, knew she could be exposed as a pathological liar...still wouldn't matter. She will win. It is perfectly reflective of people who deserve every bit of the leadership they choose or allow to be chosen.
 
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You personally would take Hillary over Rubio, Kasich or Paul?

No. I won't vote for HRC. Kasich ..... possibly, but no one else from the R's. There is nothing they have done or have said to make me even entertain anyone else. I initially meant I want to see if Bernie can beat her, which I think he can though he probably won't. But I still think Sanders or Clinton will beat whoever the R's have.

I thought you were asking a general question about who would win
 

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My dad spent 30+ years making Hoover vacuum cleaners. Your pal Clinton signed NAFTA in law, saying "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement." NAFTA allowed TTI Floorcare to finally move the last remaining American jobs to it's plant in Juarez, Mexico. So, from my personal perspective, your beloved Democrats fvcked an entire city that(at the time) depended on the income from Hoover and wiped out about 3,000 blue collar jobs in my very small part of the world.


Are you from North Canton?


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He'd still be a rock star, though, because he would be kicking Al-Qaida's @ss, and the asses of all of their offshoot groups, as well.
Actually, now that I think about it; there probably wouldn't be any offshoot groups, once they saw how badly Reagan was kicking Uncle Al's @ss.

Like in Beirut? Buster beat me to it....
 
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You have no idea, do you? The financial crisis of 2008 was caused by the Community Reinvestment Act. Introduced in the House by Henry Reuss (D-WI), passed by a Democrat House and Senate, and signed into law by Jimmy Carter. It was then reformed in the 1990s at the insistence of William Jefferson "BJ" Clinton (and a complicit Republican congress). Subprime lending (i.e. giving mortgages to people who couldn't afford it) occurred because of regulation, not in spite of it.

What all those have in common is "free markets" running amok with little to no regulatory oversight. It's pretty simple actually. Here's a pretty good summary of the financial meltdown of 2008. I'm sure you'll blow it off as a communist conspiracy considering it's based on facts and credible sources.

The Warning | FRONTLINE | PBS
 

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1) Reagan set the tone for that administration, not freakin Tip O'Neill.

2) These days Reagan would be a right wing "extremist", as would JFK.

Dude congress "makes the laws". Tip O'neil controlled congress with an iron fist. He set the entire legislative agenda during the entire Reagan administration. Reagan did manage to appoint some pretty shitty Supreme Court justices who ended up getting confirmed. Lol.
 
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My dad spent 30+ years making Hoover vacuum cleaners. Your pal Clinton signed NAFTA in law, saying "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement." NAFTA allowed TTI Floorcare to finally move the last remaining American jobs to it's plant in Juarez, Mexico. So, from my personal perspective, your beloved Democrats fvcked an entire city that(at the time) depended on the income from Hoover and wiped out about 3,000 blue collar jobs in my very small part of the world.

NAFTA has been a disaster on so many levels. Clinton is a putz for ever signing it.
 
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