Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[NDPhilly]

Once again, everyone on Heistand's balls and his OL doesn't deliver in a big game...

Hard to win 8 vs 5

 

[Sherm Sticky]

IFF we're going to run it (I think FSU pick play should have been the play call), why not run it behind Stanley/Nelson? Or was Nelson still out at that point?

The TD to Hunter was pretty much the same pick play.

Go read Kelly's reasoning for the call. It was a run pass option at the line and Kizer called for he run, which was the correct call. The oline just didn't execute.


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[dmort]

It was hard to run on an 8 man front which means that there should be guys open underneath.With an experienced QB we would have had more points.Kizer did very well he just still hasnt fully developed.He will be awesome with a season under his belt.

 

[BillyIrish]

[/QUOTE]The one play that really ticked me off that I haven't seen mentioned is the timeout we took before the actual two point conversion try. We took the timeout with 7 seconds left on the play clock so it was clearly not a time thing. I'm pretty sure BK told Kizer to go out there and see what defense they were going to play, and call a timeout so they could discuss what to do. You can't just waste a timeout in the 4th quarter when you are down 2 scores. It didn't actually end up impacting the game but it really ticked me off.

And I think there were 2 different times where we had to burn a timeout or took a delay of game AFTER A STOPPAGE OF PLAY. It's absolutely mind-boggling.[/QUOTE]


I'm pretty sure Corey Robinson was MIA in that personnel grouping and they only had 10 men on the field. Then, well, he didn't make the play. BK was not impressed. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Luckylucci]

That wasn't a well coached team. That's it and how it goes. No argument and no rebuttal.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm not particularly upset about this loss even though we were definitely the more talented team but you guys are talking about fumbles as if they are purely luck.

There's no way Clemson's ball security was purely luck. They were coached up to handle the weather better than we were. Granted, they had a lot more time to do so with their bye...

The one play that really ticked me off that I haven't seen mentioned is the timeout we took before the actual two point conversion try. We took the timeout with 7 seconds left on the play clock so it was clearly not a time thing. I'm pretty sure BK told Kizer to go out there and see what defense they were going to play, and call a timeout so they could discuss what to do. You can't just waste a timeout in the 4th quarter when you are down 2 scores. It didn't actually end up impacting the game but it really ticked me off.

And I think there were 2 different times where we had to burn a timeout or took a delay of game AFTER A STOPPAGE OF PLAY. It's absolutely mind-boggling.

I love Kizer, but he had no idea what he was doing last night. He missed read after read

 

[gkIrish]

That wasn't a well coached team. That's it and how it goes. No argument and no rebuttal.

They certainly didn't seem motivated until the fourth quarter.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I'm not particularly upset about this loss even though we were definitely the more talented team but you guys are talking about fumbles as if they are purely luck.

There's no way Clemson's ball security was purely luck. They were coached up to handle the weather better than we were. Granted, they had a lot more time to do so with their bye...

The one play that really ticked me off that I haven't seen mentioned is the timeout we took before the actual two point conversion try. We took the timeout with 7 seconds left on the play clock so it was clearly not a time thing. I'm pretty sure BK told Kizer to go out there and see what defense they were going to play, and call a timeout so they could discuss what to do. You can't just waste a timeout in the 4th quarter when you are down 2 scores. It didn't actually end up impacting the game but it really ticked me off.

And I think there were 2 different times where we had to burn a timeout or took a delay of game AFTER A STOPPAGE OF PLAY. It's absolutely mind-boggling.

They burned the TO because Crob never took the field.. We had 10 men and Kizer was throwing his arms up confused bc he didn't know where Corey was.

 

[phgreek]

I love Kizer, but he had no idea what he was doing last night. He missed read after read

man I saw a handfull

...over the course of a game, for a RS freshman, meh, I'd expect him to miss some. You figure he'd missfire on some throws...he did. You figure he'd not identify the right receiver a few times...he did. You figure he'd get stuck on a read option or two....he did. But he did a good job overall...plenty good to win if the team's veterans ...ya know, played like veterans.

I mean how many reads did you see that he missed? Maybe I'm AFU...I'm curious.

 

[phgreek]

Actually, it looks to me like #94, DT Carlos Watkins, took both Nick Martin and Steve Elmer, and pushed them right down the line and into Kizer, blowing the play up.

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If you look at right around the 11 second mark...If Kizer takes the flat cut underneath the D end for a few steps and drops his shoulder, I think he makes it...one guy to beat out there...he'll start to see the green...still slowing it down.

 

[NDhoosier]

That wasn't a well coached team. That's it and how it goes. No argument and no rebuttal.

4 turnovers in a 2 pt loss on the road in a monsoon.

*drops mic and walks off*

 

[connor_in]

Damefan: The good..The BAD..The happy...and the SAD!... GO IRISH!

hat tip to Irish TP for posting this on Twitter

 

[phork]

I love Kizer, but he had no idea what he was doing last night. He missed read after read

Man I can't wait until he figures it out.

 

[JughedJones]

Man I can't wait until he figures it out.

Why do you have italics on that?

Isn't that sarcasm font?

I don't get it.

 

[JughedJones]

That wasn't a well coached team. That's it and how it goes. No argument and no rebuttal.

They certainly didn't seem motivated until the fourth quarter.

Strange that there's two mods on here talkin' mess.

We lost our core when everyone went out.

These guys are fighting for their lives against great competition, in a hurricane, with a 'star' who's never played running back before.

I think we win out this year and miss the playoffs but in the Natty next year.

Coaching is sound, students are pumped, athletes are fighting. We'll see.

We, like so many rabid fanbases, throw in the towel on our own way too soon.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Hard to win 8 vs 5

Spot on

It was hard to run on an 8 man front which means that there should be guys open underneath.With an experienced QB we would have had more points.Kizer did very well he just still hasnt fully developed.He will be awesome with a season under his belt.

That would've required passing plays to be called

I love Kizer, but he had no idea what he was doing last night. He missed read after read

He doesn't read anything when he's on the field. Not the defense pre snap. Not the safeties post snap. Not the DE on the zone read.

They certainly didn't seem motivated until the fourth quarter.

We weren't prepared. It was embarrassing

4 turnovers in a 2 pt loss on the road in a monsoon.

*drops mic and walks off*

I'll pick that mic up.

Even with Kizer and down Jones and Floston, if we were prepared we win by 17+. Even in those conditions.

 

[JughedJones]

How much you guys wanna bet that we win every game left on this schedule?

You seem so convinced we're on a terrible trajectory (which is normal for a rabid fanbase like us.)

I'll bet all my vBucks that we don't lose again. I saw fight in this team that I haven't seen in any other squad I've watched all year.

The Ducks getting their asses kicked, OSU barely hanging on to bullshit teams, it goes on and on. If you guys think that ND fighting back from a deficit, against a really good team, at one of the hardest venues in football, in storm weather, with all of the shit injuries you know we have, is poor coaching... I wanna gamble with you.

So: To the first comer. All my Vbucks, (and if you want to PM me about real money) we will win this season out.

That's a hippie lock.

 

[gkIrish]

They burned the TO because Crob never took the field.. We had 10 men and Kizer was throwing his arms up confused bc he didn't know where Corey was.

Okay I was at the game and didn't know what was going on that particular play.

 

[gkIrish]

How much you guys wanna bet that we win every game left on this schedule?

You seem so convinced we're on a terrible trajectory (which is normal for a rabid fanbase like us.)

I'll bet all my vBucks that we don't lose again. I saw fight in this team that I haven't seen in any other squad I've watched all year.

The Ducks getting their asses kicked, OSU barely hanging on to bullshit teams, it goes on and on. If you guys think that ND fighting back from a deficit, against a really good team, at one of the hardest venues in football, in storm weather, with all of the shit injuries you know we have, is poor coaching... I wanna gamble with you.

So: To the first comer. All my Vbucks, (and if you want to PM me about real money) we will win this season out.

That's a hippie lock.

I don't want to root for us to lose again and the degenerate gambler in me may be tempted to do so if I make a bet but I'm highly confident we lose at least one more game. I think there's a better chance we lose 2 more than 0 more.

 

[JughedJones]

I don't want to root for us to lose again and the degenerate gambler in me may be tempted to do so if I make a bet but I'm highly confident we lose at least one more game. I think there's a better chance we lose 2 more than 0 more.

Alright, hotshot.

Put it where your mouth is..

My Vbux to yours. Where they are.

It's not betting against the Irish, it's just rational thought.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I told myself I was staying out of this thread until post-Clemson. I wanted to see how this team (and staff) did against 2 ranked teams and one cupcake. To be honest, I still don't have a complete answer. I need to see the rest of the season play out. It's already eerily similar to last year (starting out hot, losing to a ranked team on the road at the last second, followed by playing Navy....we'll see where it leads.) At this point though:

-GT: Give the staff credit for a fabulous game plan and the players credit for executing it perfectly. GT has since proven to be a mediocre team though. Which is part of the reason I wanted to wait this out. This win suddenly isn't as impressive as first thought.

-UMass: Crushed a cupcake. That's what you want. No gripe here.

-Clemson: I'm down on the staff for this game. But I'm probably more down on the players lack of focus, lack of intensity, lack of execution. Both the staff and players need to take the blame for this one. BK forcing the run in the beginning was awful. But when they did pass, the drops were just as horrific. I'm not going to dive too much into the 2-point conversions. I was against the first one. But it's moot. Both times the right play was called and the players didn't execute. To be fair, ND shouldn't have put themselves in that position to begin with. You won't convince me that the better overall team won. Clemson just played better that particular night.

Overall, these past three weeks haven't moved me in any direction for or against BK. I think continuing to see how this team responds against Navy and USC will be very telling.

 

[JughedJones]

I told myself I was staying out of this thread until post-Clemson. I wanted to see how this team (and staff) did against 2 ranked teams and one cupcake. To be honest, I still don't have a complete answer. I need to see the rest of the season play out. It's already eerily similar to last year (starting out hot, losing to a ranked team on the road at the last second, followed by playing Navy....we'll see where it leads.) At this point though:

-GT: Give the staff credit for a fabulous game plan and the players credit for executing it perfectly. GT has since proven to be a mediocre team though. Which is part of the reason I wanted to wait this out. This win suddenly isn't as impressive as first thought.

-UMass: Crushed a cupcake. That's what you want. No gripe here.

-Clemson: I'm down on the staff for this game. But I'm probably more down on the players lack of focus, lack of intensity, lack of execution. Both the staff and players need to take the blame for this one. BK forcing the run in the beginning was awful. But when they did pass, the drops were just as horrific. I'm not going to dive too much into the 2-point conversions. I was against the first one. But it's moot. Both times the right play was called and the players didn't execute. To be fair, ND shouldn't have put themselves in that position to begin with. You won't convince me that the better overall team won. Clemson just played better that particular night.

Overall, these past three weeks haven't moved me in any direction for or against BK. I think continuing to see how this team responds against Navy and USC will be very telling.

We have an incredible staff. We have a young core of players. I think we win out this year.

I think we get to the Natty next year. How anyone doesn't see this is a mystery.

We're fucking stacked for a smart guy school.

 

[gkIrish]

Alright, hotshot.

Put it where your mouth is..

My Vbux to yours. Where they are.

It's not betting against the Irish, it's just rational thought.

I just spent $1000 bucks to go see the Clemson game. I don't think I need to put my money where my mouth is. This entire thread is me putting my money where my mouth is.

I think you're wrong about us winning out, that's all.

 

[JughedJones]

I just spent $1000 bucks to go see the Clemson game. I don't think I need to put my money where my mouth is. This entire thread is me putting my money where my mouth is.

I think you're wrong about us winning out, that's all.

Wow.....


You can't put some virtual money on that?

You say it so sincerely, but I don' t think you want to have a zero next to your name when we kick the crap out of everyone else.


Nice job spending a thousand dollars going to South Carolina though. I'm sure that was great...

 

[gkIrish]

Wow.....


You can't put some virtual money on that?

You say it so sincerely, but I don' t think you want to have a zero next to your name when we kick the crap out of everyone else.


Nice job spending a thousand dollars going to South Carolina though. I'm sure that was great... Thhhppptttt.

You're talking to the guy that took a 3 month ban because the Seahawks lost the Patriots. I have absolutely nothing to prove. Have a nice day.

 

[ulukinatme]

As long as this team doesn't fold and we suffer no more major injuries, I think every game on this schedule is still winnable. USC will be tough, especially after Navy, and Stanford will still be tough, but I think this team is resilient and they are still very talented.

I saw people complaining about the defense, and yes they had a horrible start in that first drive or two, but they really settled in and did a fantastic job after that. This defense is aggressive at times, and they'll give up some big plays. I don't fault them the TD in the 2nd half really, that came on the turnover which shouldn't have happened. There's certainly still improvements that can be made, but overall the defense adjusted very well and did an excellent job keeping Clemson off the scoreboard after the first few drives. Those drives certainly were costly, but it reminded me a lot of OU in 2012. OU came out fast and strong in their early drives, feeding off the crowd energy and noise. They had some success moving the ball early in the game, and then we kind of settled down and took care of business. Same thing happened at Clemson defensively.

Offensively the turnovers were huge, of course, but the play calling was really stupid in the first half. You do not run into the teeth of the defense, that's just stupid. You may be able to get away with it playing a team like UMass, but not in Death Valley at night when they've got 8 in the box. Keep the defense honest, throw screens, quick slants, pitches to the outside. Get out in space and make them pay. We really put ourselves in a hole with the way we were calling plays in the first half.

Special Teams was very up and down. I've been impressed with some of the strides we've made in ST this year, most of that praise going to CJ's return game and I think Newsome has punted well at times, but both had some mistakes in this game that were costly. Is that coaching? Maybe, maybe not. Even veteran players can have mistakes, especially in bad weather. We saw that with the CB and Prosise fumbles.

This team is still capable of achieving great things, and I think we're setup very well for next year still if a lot of players come back. Jaylon would likely be gone, N-Mart and Stanley will be gone of course, Day will be gone, and a few others. Certainly a lot of good players, but like Kelly said when Zaire went out: We're still a young team and will return a lot next season. Some shoes will be hard to fill, but I'm not terribly worried about any one position other than maybe safety for next year. That said, is there a better coach out there to lead this team? Probably not. Kelly has his flaws, but realistically I don't think there's a better coach out there that will come to ND presently. I think this team is in very good shape for the future and they could win a lot of games with the plan that's in place. There's plenty of room still for improvements, but I like where this team has come in the 5 years since Kelly came in. There was no quit in them Saturday despite the weather and being down 21-3 at one point. Even after all the penalties and turnovers they kept fighting back. That was encouraging, I hope they don't lose that fire because this can still be a special team.

 

[IrishLion]

I think BK deserves an immense amount of scrutiny for the way this team started the game.

I think BK deserves an immense amount of praise for the way this team finished the game.

 

[gkIrish]

I think BK deserves an immense amount of scrutiny for the way this team started the game.

I think BK deserves an immense amount of praise for the way this team finished the game.

Accurate

 

[BleedBlueGold]

We have an incredible staff. We have a young core of players. I think we win out this year.

Incredible staff? TBD. That's the point of the thread. I think it's above average. I think it's good enough to win 9 or 10 games per season. Yet it doesn't.

We have a young core of players...who have very bright futures. Man, they look good at times for being true frosh.

Win out this year? Perhaps. Tall order. Not impossible but it won't be easy.

I think we get to the Natty next year. How anyone doesn't see this is a mystery.

I don't think it's unrealistic. It will certainly be an expectation. But not something I'm willing to dive into. I hate the "always next year" mantra.

We're fucking stacked for a smart guy school.

This roster is loaded for sure. No debate there. There is room for improvement though.

 

[JughedJones]

You're talking to the guy that took a 3 month ban because the Seahawks lost the Patriots. I have absolutely nothing to prove. Have a nice day.

You're talking to the guy who took a... long ban?... because I said... well, I said... something horrible to someone who didn't agree with me.

Anyway, I got this one right. We win out.

Kizer is our guy, then it will be a competition next year for QB, and Kizer won't be in that competition. Sad but true.

It will be either Wimbush, Zaire, or a combination of them both that bring us to next year's Natty.