Oregon Community college shooting

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Prayers to those families and that community.

But like Obama said: "Prayers aren't enough."

Terrorism death total: 313
WAR on Terrorism death total: 6,717
Firearms related death total: 316, 645

Fuck the NRA lobbyists and the politicians they're in bed with. It's time for some change.

*For the record, I'm not against owning guns. But there needs to be some serious overhaul done to the system. It's absurd. No stone unturned. Lets figure this shit out.
 

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I'm so sick of seeing shit like this. People are fucked up.
 

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Prayers to those families and that community.

But like Obama said: "Prayers aren't enough."

Terrorism death total: 313
WAR on Terrorism death total: 6,717
Firearms related death total: 316, 645

Fuck the NRA lobbyists and the politicians they're in bed with. It's time for some change.

*For the record, I'm not against owning guns. But there needs to be some serious overhaul done to the system. It's absurd. No stone unturned. Lets figure this shit out.
If any of the victims or witnesses were armed, the death count would have been much lower. More guns in the hands of the "good guys" would prevent these rampage shootings.
 

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My girlfriends mother is a middle school teacher in Roseburg. She's obviously shaken up quite a bit by this. Best wishes and prayers to the families down there.
 

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If any of the victims or witnesses were armed, the death count would have been much lower. More guns in the hands of the "good guys" would prevent these rampage shootings.


Or, ya know, less guns in the hands of the mentally unstable. I fully support the right to bear arms (I own a few myself) but there needs to be thorough testing/background checks before any sale.
 

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If any of the victims or witnesses were armed, the death count would have been much lower. More guns in the hands of the "good guys" would prevent these rampage shootings.

I disagree with this. I understand where you are coming from, but look at where these shooting are taking place. People are being killed in schools, in churches, in movie theaters. If the answer to the problem is you should never leave the house with out your firearm then something needs to change.
 

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I disagree with this. I understand where you are coming from, but look at where these shooting are taking place. People are being killed in schools, in churches, in movie theaters. If the answer to the problem is you should never leave the house with out your firearm then something needs to change.

This.. I get all the people who are for the second amendment but that was in a time that is not like the present. It was the right to bear arms for militia purposes. I don't think most of America needs to be packing heat to go to their local grocery store, or to get gas, or have a nice family meal, so on and so forth. I think there needs to be more regulation of guns, not eradicating them. Better background checks, possible ways to link to people who have been treated for mental illness, clips that hold smaller amount of rounds, so on and so forth. If someone wants to carry around a musket, like it would have been in 1776 I am all for it. I am not all for guys carrying around assault rifles, or magazines that hold rounds of 30 plus. It is not what was intended when the Constitution was written. Society, technology and Industry have changed obviously since the writing of the Constitution, I think its time the 2nd Amendment gets adjusted, not removed as well. If you think the people in Washington wouldn't react a little bit different if their hands weren't in the NRA bank account you are wrong. Once this affects them to an immediate family member, they will start to look at it differently.

Take a read of this take of the 2nd Amendment in the Washington Post from a Associate Judge to the Supreme Court. It is a really really good read, for pro or con against the Gun Debate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...a19578-b8fa-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html
 

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ONE good guy with a gun on a space the size of a college campus, and you're saying that disproves the premise? My preferred scenario would not be ONE "good guy with a gun," it would be a population that is generally well-armed and well trained. So large percentages of good guys with guns.


Like Dodge City in 1870 or Chicago ... today.
 

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ONE good guy with a gun on a space the size of a college campus, and you're saying that disproves the premise? My preferred scenario would not be ONE "good guy with a gun," it would be a population that is generally well-armed and well trained. So large percentages of good guys with guns.

Dude you're describing the freaking wild west. No other civilized country lives like that.
 

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Can we not turn this into a fucking political thread?!

I hear you ... but yesterday I heard the President say, "Someone will say I'm making this political ... well it is political."





Condolences to those who lost loved ones or were injured or had loved ones injured.
 

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If any of the victims or witnesses were armed, the death count would have been much lower. More guns in the hands of the "good guys" would prevent these rampage shootings.

ONE good guy with a gun on a space the size of a college campus, and you're saying that disproves the premise? My preferred scenario would not be ONE "good guy with a gun," it would be a population that is generally well-armed and well trained. So large percentages of good guys with guns.

Dumbest things I have ever heard.
 

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ONE good guy with a gun on a space the size of a college campus, and you're saying that disproves the premise? My preferred scenario would not be ONE "good guy with a gun," it would be a population that is generally well-armed and well trained. So large percentages of good guys with guns.

Are gun owners required to have training?
 

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Dumbest things I have ever heard.
Well I sincerely hope you never have a home invader or something of the sort because it sounds like you'd be unprepared to deal with such things.

I've found with firearms that the people who are most fearful of them are simply the people who have never handled one or had any experience with them. Guns aren't that scary after you've fired one.
 

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ONE good guy with a gun on a space the size of a college campus, and you're saying that disproves the premise? My preferred scenario would not be ONE "good guy with a gun," it would be a population that is generally well-armed and well trained. So large percentages of good guys with guns.

Why would you think he's the only person who had a gun in that scenario? I certainly don't think he was the only person on that entire campus who was carrying. If there are statistically enough guns for every man, woman and child in America, then it stands to reason that there was not just one person carrying a firearm at that campus yesterday.

Can't have been that "good." It was a weapon-free zone. Gun laws really are the way to protect people from guns. Look at Chicago, and all the gun laws there and throughout Illinois. There hasn't been a shooting there since...well, this morning. But you get my point!

Oregon is a tricky situation, because, as a state, it allows guns to be carried on college campuses. It also, however, because of a legal loophope, allows individual colleges to make their own rules. This community college, for instance, is a gun-free zone.

That said, how many people do you think are aware of that rule? I work on a college campus in Tennessee, and it's gun-free everywhere. My institution is not allowed to set its own rules, like this place was.

It stands to reason that there were more than one person on that campus with a legally obtained and licensed firearm on them. That might *not* be the case, but you can't prove that any easier than I can prove my side of that statement. All I know is that all those people died, and the shooter wasn't stopped by a civilian "good guy with a gun."

Personal responsibility, man. Yes, you should seek out training to be a responsible gun owner. No, I don't think such things should be mandated by force of law.

You're expecting a lot more of your average American citizen than even our own government expects, and that is part of the problem.

If it's up to me and I, for whatever reason, have the power to make the rules, all guns immediately are outlawed. No questions or debate allowed, because I'm the theoretical all-powerful ruler and I see guns as only a means to end someone's life that we, as a society, can't be trusted with.

Since I know that will never happen, I would at least hope that everyone who has a gun is well trained in its operation and safety protocols. I also know that will never happen, and any idiot off the street who has no idea what power he holds in his hand can just get a gun with a shocking amount of ease.
 
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ONE good guy with a gun on a space the size of a college campus, and you're saying that disproves the premise? My preferred scenario would not be ONE "good guy with a gun," it would be a population that is generally well-armed and well trained. So large percentages of good guys with guns.

This is an absolutely ridiculous way to solve the problem and I own 3 guns. One of the guns being a pistol and I have a carry conceal permit for it. You don't think that if you arm the "population" some "bad guys" would get their hands on a firearm. Most of the people in here are saying we need a better way to keep the guns out of the hands of the mentally unstable, not take them away from everyone. I for one think that is a fine idea. I live in NY where the Governor has put into law some gun control ideas that I don't agree with, but there should be regulations on who can own a firearm.
 

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Personal responsibility, man. Yes, you should seek out training to be a responsible gun owner. No, I don't think such things should be mandated by force of law.

Then asserting that people should be well trained is akin to saying that drivers should decide of their own free will that they should take a driving certification test before getting a license.
 

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Dumbest things I have ever heard.

The point of the second amendment is that not all rights of self-defense should be the exclusive domain of the government. If you want to own a gun, are willing to go through the training to operate it safely, have no history of mental/anger issues, and are willing to suffer the consequences for mishandling the weapon or allowing an untrained person access, then I see no reason that should be illegal. My father in law conceal-carries all the time. I have no reservation in saying that he'd be a good guy to have around if there was a shooter.

The key point though is that he's well-trained, responsible, doesn't flaunt his gun, and has no history of mental illness. He goes to the range regularly to practice. He actually teaches gun safety courses. That's the kind of guy I want walking around with guns. Freaking Texas yahoos showing off m4s in McDonalds can go fuck themselves.
 

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You don't think that if you arm the "population" some "bad guys" would get their hands on a firearm.
This is the crux of the issue. The bad guys already have guns. I've yet to see a single proposed gun law that would prevent just one criminal from obtaining a gun.
 

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Then asserting that people should be well trained is akin to saying that drivers should decide of their own free will that they should take a driving certification test before getting a license.
Except that operating a motor vehicle isn't a Constitutionally protected right. But piss on the Constitution, right? That dusty old document isn't good for anything but wiping your ass anyways.
 

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Are gun owners required to have training?
Personal responsibility, man. Yes, you should seek out training to be a responsible gun owner. No, I don't think such things should be mandated by force of law.
I live in Michigan. I purchased my firearm in less than 10 mins at my local store.
I filled out an app/check online at a computer inside the store. Within 5 mins they called the agency and my gun was purchased and I walked out with it that day.
No training required to own or use.
Obviously if there is some sort of red flag, you get refused completely or have a waiting period.
However, if I was an angry person that day I could've been in and out in 10 mins and committed the crime of my choice at will. I'd feel safer if there was more of a process to get it.
 
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This is the crux of the issue. The bad guys already have guns. I've yet to see a single proposed gun law that would prevent just one criminal from obtaining a gun.

Some bad guys have them, yes. But more bad guys will have them if everyone could get them. Which in turn would create more random acts for gun violence. You do see that right?
 
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