2016 Presidential Horse Race

2016 Presidential Horse Race


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Its really weird that you would say that, because I seem to remember that going into that election, Romney was made out by the press and the Democrats as just about the most far right extremist to ever try to be elected president.
That kind of seems to be a Faux News Hot take. I don't recall that at all. If anything I recall minimal questions about him being Mormon and much much more on how center he was because Obamacare was modeled after his Romney Care. Romney did far more damage to himself than any news organization did. Though I agree with IrishJayhawk that this pandering to the base. It hurts EVERY Republican candidate.

Binders full of women....
His 48% comments at fundraisers....
Corporations are people my friend....
 

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That kind of seems to be a Faux News Hot take. I don't recall that at all. If anything I recall minimal questions about him being Mormon and much much more on how center he was because Obamacare was modeled after his Romney Care. Romney did far more damage to himself than any news organization did. Though I agree with IrishJayhawk that this pandering to the base. It hurts EVERY Republican candidate.

Binders full of women....
His 48% comments at fundraisers....
Corporations are people my friend....

47%. Don't exaggerate.

He also ran from RomneyCare. He had previously called it a model for the country. When guys like Pawlenty called the Affordable Care Act "Obamneycare," he freaked out.
 

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That kind of seems to be a Faux News Hot take. I don't recall that at all. If anything I recall minimal questions about him being Mormon and much much more on how center he was because Obamacare was modeled after his Romney Care. Romney did far more damage to himself than any news organization did. Though I agree with IrishJayhawk that this pandering to the base. It hurts EVERY Republican candidate.

Binders full of women....
His 48% comments at fundraisers....
Corporations are people my friend....

HA!

Good One!
 

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He "evolved" like so many politicians do. I actually think he was ok on some issues until he started doing the TV thing. It tends to make people more extreme because all you hear from are people who agree...pretty soon ya got your own mini echo chamber...and that leads to bad things. Plus politicians who run need to run against something...

I still think everyone on the republican side who hasn't run a state should GTFO of the race. I'm sorry but I just do not like Congress people in the game...at all.

I'd prefer Governors, and would accept a CEO of a certain type...thats about it for me. I've made one exception...John McCain, and he was just the lesser of two Horrible evils...at least he had military experience.

He "evolved" from a reasonable approach to one in which doing exactly what he suggested in 2008 was akin to sending the Jews back to the gas chamber? That is the granddaddy of all evolutions. Probably more accurate to say he devolved on the issue.

I agree ... the television show grouped him in with personalities like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly -- guys who when pressed to come up with material and to get Fox News ratings take the big plunge into absurdity, dragging their loyal viewers down there with them. Guys like Huckabee are bad for the Republican Party.

In theory, I prefer governors, too. But getting to be a governor and succeeding as one are not the same and experience at hurting one's state does not inspire confidence . I would not, for example, assume Bobby Jindal would be a better president than Rand Paul because Paul lacks the executive experience that has tanked Louisiana. I don't think that CEO experience is anything like government experience, so guys like Trump (who has been successful at business) and Fiorina (who was a dismal failure who continues to astonish me when she talks about her business experience) do not necessarily translate to high potential candidates, IMHO.

I also do not think that the military expeience of a given candidate necessarily is indicative of presidential aptitude. Truth is, that NOBODY in the field in either party is ready on Day 1 to be president, just like no president who has ever walked through the doors of the White House after innaguration day was "qualified" to be there. President's learn on the job, and they lean heavily on advice from those who preceded them in office (even those from the opposing party).
 
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He "evolved" from a reasonable approach to one in which doing exactly what he suggested in 2008 was akin to sending the Jews back to the gas chamber? That is the granddaddy of all evolutions. Probably more accurate to say he devolved on the issue.

I agree ... the television show grouped him in with personalities like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly -- guys who when pressed to come up with material and to get Fox News ratings take the big plunge into absurdity, dragging their loyal viewers down there with them. Guys like Huckabee are bad for the Republican Party.

In theory, I prefer governors, too. But getting to be a governor and succeeding as one are not the same and experience at hurting one's state does not inspire confidence . I would not, for example, assume Bobby Jindal would be a better president than Rand Paul because Paul lacks the executive experience that has tanked Louisiana. I don't think that CEO experience is anything like government experience, so guys like Trump (who has been successful at business) and Fiorina (who was a dismal failure who continues to astonish me when she talks about her business experience) do not necessarily translate to high potential candidates, IMHO.

I also do not think that the military expeience of a given candidate necessarily is indicative of presidential aptitude. Truth is, that NOBODY in the field in either party is ready on Day 1 to be president, just like no president who has ever walked through the doors of the White House after innaguration day was "qualified" to be there. President's learn on the job, and they lean heavily on advice from those who preceded them in office (even those from the opposing party).

The evolved thing was me making fun of all the politicians lately who've COMPLETELY reversed course for political expediency...and tried to label it as something other than flip-flopping....so someone rolled out "evolved".

As for Military experience...officer training is some of the best leadership stuff out there, and has been for some time...IMHO. I saw McCain as the beneficiary of the training, not to mention understanding of war. To me, Mr. Obama wasn't even analogous to Charlie Weis...in terms of OJT. He was like elevating a red shirt Freshman to head coach.

And you hit on something very important as to why governors and CEOs make better candidates...they have an actual/tangible record directly applicable to the office of president that you can debate. Chances are, none of the CEOs in the Republican field are good choices. Chances are a couple governors aren't wise choices either...but you can say that because they've actually done something that informs you...While I align politically with Marco Rubio, what makes him a good choice? He speaks well? Uhm, no thanks...gotta be more than that.
 

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I didn't realize that liberals are still arguing that the press is not liberal, against all the evidence.

Those findings indicate that 28% of the press identifies as Democratic. That's (a) part of a downward trend, (b) not close to a majority, and (c) not even a poll of political reporters. That's also not an evidence as to how the news is actually covered.

Either way, I wasn't even arguing that the press tilts one way or the other. Generally, it tilts whichever way you want it to. But "liberal press" is a perceived trump card (pardon the pun) that shuts down conversation. "Link whatever source you want, they're all liberals anyway."

Regarding the coverage of the 2012 race...

Media coverage of the 2012 election was fair and balanced after all - The Washington Post

4. Overall, media coverage of Obama and Romney was actually fair and balanced. No, really.

This is the sort of statement that tends to make partisans on both sides irritable. (Because of this.) But when we examined General Sentiment’s measure of how positive or negative coverage of Obama and Romney was, neither candidate had a chronic advantage.

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Ultimately, when we looked at the average across the entire fall campaign (and the same was true in the summer), we found that the tone of the coverage of the two candidates was almost exactly the same. Neither was covered much more positively or negatively than the other. This is consistent with the Project for Excellence in Journalism’s research and with scholarly research on previous presidential elections. Taken together, this is comforting evidence that the media writ large can approach election campaigns with minimal partisan or ideological bias.

5. The news media are more prone to “root for the story” than “root for the candidate.”

Given the apparent lack of partisan bias, it is clear that the media was not rooting for Obama or Romney. But at times they were rooting for something else: a good story. This was most visible during the third week in October, when there was a spate of stories, beginning in Politico, about Romney’s alleged “momentum.” There was nothing in the polls to justify this notion (see here or here). So what did justify it? When another media organization published a story suggesting that Romney had “momentum,” I wrote to one of the reporters whose byline was on the story. I pointed out that there was no evidence in the polls and asked this reporter why that word was included in the story. As we write in “The Gamble”:

Indeed, when asked whether Romney truly had momentum, one reporter for a major newspaper admitted to us that the story was really about what other reporters were saying, not about any actual change in the polls. This reporter said, “What we call momentum is more like narrative, and we’re buying into that.”

That’s a pretty telling comment, and it illustrates one of the dangers of reporting on a campaign — and one of the reasons we wrote our book. The media should want to write interesting stories, but there is always the risk that meaningless events or non-existent trends get puffed up for no reason. In the book, we argue that there is a way to report the events of the day without exaggerating the significance of those events:

Another goal of journalists is to be skeptical about what the candidates and their campaigns say. Campaigns are forever pushing their own spin on events, and journalists know better than to believe it. This produces any number of news stories that investigate, fact-check, and critique the candidates’ claims. So when candidates or their spokespersons go around promoting some moment as a potential game-changer, journalists can draw on moneyball — from political science, poll numbers, history, and so on — to identify that as spin, too. For example, the Romney campaign was free to go around claiming that they had momentum late in the race. Indeed, since they were behind at that point, it made sense for them to claim to be gaining ground. But there was no reason for reporters to imply that this was true when the polls had not moved for three weeks. The lesson is simple. Journalists have to report what the campaigns are saying and doing on any given day — that is their job — but when journalists evaluate what the campaigns are saying and doing, they can use social science and a closer look at the available data to separate truth from spin.


ETA: I'm aware that there are various methodologies that dispute the findings above. We can certainly argue methodology. But the larger point of "root for the story" is what I think motivates the media (ESPN included).
 
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Those findings indicate that 28% of the press identifies as Democratic. That's (a) part of a downward trend, (b) not close to a majority, and (c) not even a poll of political reporters. That's also not an evidence as to how the news is actually covered.

I'm sure the opinions of journalists do not effect the way that they cover the news, just like the views of professors do not effect the way that they teach. Oh, wait. In some cases, journalists discuss among themselves how to destroy conservative politicians (by calling them racists relentlessly, for example).

You are right that the real issue is not which political party journalists identify with, but which political party they vote for. Among journalists the NYT surveyed in 2004, for example, 75% supported Kerry; among D.C. journalists, the figure was 92%. The figure among the country itself was 48%.

Also, the issue is not simply how the press covers issues, but which issues it chooses to cover. For example, the NYT has covered "transgender" issues more often than it has covered the New York Knicks in the past year. That tells you something about what the Times thinks it readers should care about, and what positions it thinks they should take. (And don't tell me the fact that the Knicks suck is reason for this relatively low level of coverage. That is not the way sports journalism works, especially in NYC.)
 

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I'm sure the opinions of journalists do not effect the way that they cover the news, just like the views of professors do not effect the way that they teach. Oh, wait. In some cases, journalists discuss among themselves how to destroy conservative politicians (by calling them racists relentlessly, for example).

Affect.

And in other cases, an entire network employs candidates from one political party in order to bolster their name recognition. The word media is, by definition, plural.

ETA: Also in other cases, media members go out of their way to represent a second side of a debate in order to dispel the appearance of bias.
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You are right that the real issue is not which political party journalists identify with, but which political party they vote for. Among journalists the NYT surveyed in 2004, for example, 75% supported Kerry; among D.C. journalists, the figure was 92%. The figure among the country itself was 48%.

From the same article, journalists said they would rather cover a Bush administration. So...

But political ideology isn't the only possible bias. Journalists also have a professional bias: they need good stories to make the front page and get on the air.

So we asked our respondents which administration they'd prefer to cover the next four years strictly from a journalistic standpoint. We expected the Washington journalists to strongly prefer Mr. Kerry, partly because they complain so much about the difficulty of getting leaks from the Bush White House, but mainly because any change in administration means lots of news.

Sure enough, the Washington respondents said they would rather cover Mr. Kerry, but by a fairly small amount, 27 to 21, and the other journalists picked Bush, 56 to 40. (A few others had no opinion.) The overall result was 77 for Bush, 67 for Mr. Kerry.


Also, the issue is not simply how the press covers issues, but which issues it chooses to cover. For example, the NYT has covered "transgender" issues more often than it has covered the New York Knicks in the past year. That tells you something about what the Times thinks it readers should care about, and what positions it thinks they should take. (And don't tell me the fact that the Knicks suck is reason for this relatively low level of coverage. That is not the way sports journalism works, especially in NYC.)

Um...it's based in New York City. The city has a pretty substantial trans community. There are also currently a ton of issues and lawsuits on the topic.
 
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From the same article, journalists said they would rather cover a Bush administration. So...

They said that they would rather cover Bush from a journalistic standpoint. This is not the same thing as voting for Bush. Folks at IE might prefer ND to play USC in the 2016 College Football Championship for ratings/entertainment purposes, but we might prefer ND to play UMass again for winning purposes.

Um...it's based in New York City. The city has a pretty substantial trans community.

Even in NYC, is the "trans" community larger than the number of Knicks fans? Or just more important among the NYT editors? Plus, the NYT fashions itself a national paper and is widely read outside of NYC. It seems pretty strange to make decisions on that basis.

There are also currently a ton of issues and lawsuits on the topic.

Are there? Given the number of reality shows on the topic, it is hard to tell what news is actually "news" at this point.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is…a little odd? <a href="https://t.co/lbtNYbNndZ">https://t.co/lbtNYbNndZ</a> <a href="http://t.co/okjMLlAVhe">pic.twitter.com/okjMLlAVhe</a></p>— Will Rahn (@willrahn) <a href="https://twitter.com/willrahn/status/626107904266010624">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


What are you supposed to do with this?
 

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You whip that card out when someone plays the race or hate card on you... showing you support Hilary disproves those allegations....
 

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The evolved thing was me making fun of all the politicians lately who've COMPLETELY reversed course for political expediency...and tried to label it as something other than flip-flopping....so someone rolled out "evolved".

As for Military experience...officer training is some of the best leadership stuff out there, and has been for some time...IMHO. I saw McCain as the beneficiary of the training, not to mention understanding of war. To me, Mr. Obama wasn't even analogous to Charlie Weis...in terms of OJT. He was like elevating a red shirt Freshman to head coach.

And you hit on something very important as to why governors and CEOs make better candidates...they have an actual/tangible record directly applicable to the office of president that you can debate. Chances are, none of the CEOs in the Republican field are good choices. Chances are a couple governors aren't wise choices either...but you can say that because they've actually done something that informs you...While I align politically with Marco Rubio, what makes him a good choice? He speaks well? Uhm, no thanks...gotta be more than that.

You mean the same John McCain that blurted out "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran" to the tune of the Beach Boys' "Barbara Ann". McCain's main problem was his hot temper. Lots of voters were scared away by his gut reaction to events and his failure to use thought and reasoning before he spoke. There were many convinced that McCain's first answer to every problem was to use our miliatary might without regard for the consequences. And then there was his choice of Sarah Palin. That choice didn't inspire confidence in his leadership ability.

Personally, I admire John McCain. He is a true American hero, who stands up for what he believes in. However, I have always been leary of his hot headedness and prefer a president that isn't so quick to shoot from the hip.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is…a little odd? <a href="https://t.co/lbtNYbNndZ">https://t.co/lbtNYbNndZ</a> <a href="http://t.co/okjMLlAVhe">pic.twitter.com/okjMLlAVhe</a></p>— Will Rahn (@willrahn) <a href="https://twitter.com/willrahn/status/626107904266010624">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


What are you supposed to do with this?

You whip that card out when someone plays the race or hate card on you... showing you support Hilary disproves those allegations....

You mean Republicans dont have those? Shame.
Those are Benny cards. Lots of perks. I flash mine at Starbucks and I get free cake pops. I show it at Denny's and I get the Senior Citizens discount. I show it at a dispensary and get an upgrade for the edibles.
 

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Its really weird that you would say that, because I seem to remember that going into that election, Romney was made out by the press and the Democrats as just about the most far right extremist to ever try to be elected president.


Of course he was made out to be something he really wasn't by the left leaning media but he struggled mightily in the primaries because the Republican base thought he was a RINO. He won the nomination because the bench was pathetic for Republicans in 2012, Gingrich and Santorum really weren't ever going to be the nominee, and he dominated financially. Because the base thought he was too moderate, Romney had to resort to self deportation and the like to assure them that he could be trusted. Obviously that killed him with Hispanics and was obsessed over by the media.

Jeb shouldn't struggle nearly as much in proving his conservatism once he's able to talk about his record. He needs to get through the primary and if he's up against HRC with her favorability numbers where they are now, it's over. You don't win the presidency when 60% of the country thinks you're untrustworthy, no matter how much the media wants you to win. Not to mention, I don't know how she changes the minds of too many voters out there. Everyone knows who she is and has an opinion that isn't going to be changed in a 30second TV ad this time next year. The Republicans have an edge no matter who the nominee is (except Trump) in that there's going to be fluidity in their poll numbers that can work in their favor as they unveil their narrative before, during, and after the convention.

Long way to go though...
 

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You mean the same John McCain that blurted out "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran" to the tune of the Beach Boys' "Barbara Ann". McCain's main problem was his hot temper. Lots of voters were scared away by his gut reaction to events and his failure to use thought and reasoning before he spoke. There were many convinced that McCain's first answer to every problem was to use our miliatary might without regard for the consequences. And then there was his choice of Sarah Palin. That choice didn't inspire confidence in his leadership ability.

Personally, I admire John McCain. He is a true American hero, who stands up for what he believes in. However, I have always been leary of his hot headedness and prefer a president that isn't so quick to shoot from the hip.

Many things said depend on context I suppose. I'm asked to dismiss Iran's rhetoric almost daily as something other than threats and hatred...as some sort of posturing. I guess McCain showing anger toward a known enemy seems less offensive to me than "clutching guns and bibles". Sometimes sending a message to enemies is warranted to avoid armed conflict...I can't think of a time when it makes sense to alienate and divide members of your own "team" as a leadership tactic.

As for Sarah Palin...she is not dumb. She used an approach, or persona that resonated with a number of people. McCain made a calculated choice that did not turn out to serve him in the general election...not sure how that is a leadership issue...judgment I guess. I don't know enough about the issues in play, so I can't judge that choice other than on the results.
 

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You mean Republicans dont have those? Shame.
Those are Benny cards. Lots of perks. I flash mine at Starbucks and I get free cake pops. I show it at Denny's and I get the Senior Citizens discount. I show it at a dispensary and get an upgrade for the edibles.

So it's like the Clinton MotorVoter program.

You don't have to be eligible, be a citizen, as long as you can get someone to fill in the form for you.
 

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Many things said depend on context I suppose. I'm asked to dismiss Iran's rhetoric almost daily as something other than threats and hatred...as some sort of posturing. I guess McCain showing anger toward a known enemy seems less offensive to me than "clutching guns and bibles". Sometimes sending a message to enemies is warranted to avoid armed conflict...I can't think of a time when it makes sense to alienate and divide members of your own "team" as a leadership tactic.

As for Sarah Palin...she is not dumb. She used an approach, or persona that resonated with a number of people. McCain made a calculated choice that did not turn out to serve him in the general election...not sure how that is a leadership issue...judgment I guess. I don't know enough about the issues in play, so I can't judge that choice other than on the results.

The point of the long-in-place sanctions on Iran was to get them to the negotiating table to solve a particular problem. The negotiated deal that included other world powers requires Iran to make consessions that will solve this problem for the next decade or decade and a half. The talks were not meant to solve every dispute or disagreement that we had with Iran, but were focused on the particular problem at hand. So, my question is "what was expected?" In a negotiation, serious actors come to the table to get the consessions that they can, and in return they are expected to give up some things. As to Iran's rhetoric ... their position on Isreal has not changed, nor was that a reasonable expectation from anyone who was sitting at the table.

McCain is a war hawk. His first inclination is almost always to drop bombs. And, it isn't just in Iran. He routinely wants to drop bombs no matter the situation -- whether it is on Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libia or anywhere else, his desire seems to use the last resort, first. That isn't sometimes the message, it is his "go to" message.

We certainly have a disagreement when it comes to Sarah Palin's intellectual prowless. My view of her is that she is a simpleton, and McCain demonstrated the poorest of poor judgement in putting her in a positon that was an old man's heart attack away from the presidency. His own campaign has made it clear that her vetting process was far from comprehensive, and he unleashed a dipshit into the American political process. It was not only poor judgement, but reeked of desparation to win an election no matter the cost. Yes, she used a persona that resonated with some. Donald Trump is that same ilk, and he is also appealing to more Republicans than any other candidate in a very large field. The acceptance of ham fisted idiocy in that party is astonishing.

McCain is, indeed, a war hero, but his military record prior to his capture was not stellar. He was widely viewed as a playboy naval officer who road on the coat tails of his father and grandfather. That same cavalier, good ol' boy attitude followed him into politics, and he became one of the Keating Five, a group of five ignited a major political scandal as part of the larger savings and loan crisis of the late 80s.
 

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The point of the long-in-place sanctions on Iran was to get them to the negotiating table to solve a particular problem. The negotiated deal that included other world powers requires Iran to make consessions that will solve this problem for the next decade or decade and a half. The talks were not meant to solve every dispute or disagreement that we had with Iran, but were focused on the particular problem at hand. So, my question is "what was expected?" In a negotiation, serious actors come to the table to get the consessions that they can, and in return they are expected to give up some things. As to Iran's rhetoric ... their position on Isreal has not changed, nor was that a reasonable expectation from anyone who was sitting at the table.

Not that this has anything to do with my original point...but, it is unwise to cut a deal with someone wherein said deal depends on verification, and the main problem has been VERIFICATION. As if previous acts have no implication on the current deal...

As well, chants include America...Sooo, its not about Israel.

McCain is a war hawk. His first inclination is almost always to drop bombs. And, it isn't just in Iran. He routinely wants to drop bombs no matter the situation -- whether it is on Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libia or anywhere else, his desire seems to use the last resort, first. That isn't sometimes the message, it is his "go to" message.

Not sure that is true...seems like posturing to me...

We certainly have a disagreement when it comes to Sarah Palin's intellectual prowless. My view of her is that she is a simpleton, and McCain demonstrated the poorest of poor judgement in putting her in a positon that was an old man's heart attack away from the presidency. His own campaign has made it clear that her vetting process was far from comprehensive, and he unleashed a dipshit into the American political process. It was not only poor judgement, but reeked of desparation to win an election no matter the cost. Yes, she used a persona that resonated with some. Donald Trump is that same ilk, and he is also appealing to more Republicans than any other candidate in a very large field. The acceptance of ham fisted idiocy in that party is astonishing.

2 out of 10 Republicans like Trump...How many Dems like Hillary Clinton? You don't think she represents ham fisted idiocy on matters directly relevant to being commander in chief? SMH.

McCain is, indeed, a war hero, but his military record prior to his capture was not stellar. He was widely viewed as a playboy naval officer who road on the coat tails of his father and grandfather. That same cavalier, good ol' boy attitude followed him into politics, and he became one of the Keating Five, a group of five ignited a major political scandal as part of the larger savings and loan crisis of the late 80s.

...yea Kinda like either Bush, or JFK right? Tell me someone who didn't have that reputation who is a politician. More who did than didn't...
 

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Thought this was just a flash in the pan, but Trump seems to be gaining support. Does not say a whole lot for the party as a whole, IMO, if he is at the top of the field.

I doubt he'll go the distance, but people find him refreshing because he isn't afraid to call things as they are and be honest. My concern is that he will steal the show at the debates and we won't hear enough from guys like Carson, Kasich, etc.

Meanwhile on the other side of the aisle, Hillary's numbers are plunging, the radical leftists are excited about a socialist candidate, and Biden is going to run.
 

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I doubt he'll go the distance, but people find him refreshing because he isn't afraid to call things as they are and be honest. My concern is that he will steal the show at the debates and we won't hear enough from guys like Carson, Kasich, etc.

Meanwhile on the other side of the aisle, Hillary's numbers are plunging, the radical leftists are excited about a socialist candidate, and Biden is going to run.

well, and if we are questioning parties based on who is currently leading the polls...seems more obvious every day folks are zinging rocks from glass houses...Democrats need to focus on their own party identity if Mrs. Clinton rose to the top...

Not a trump fan...I won't dismiss his wealth as dumb luck...but of course he is a bad idea in the oval office. His 2-2.5 in 10 favorable is because of name recognition, and the fact that he is constantly getting coverage. He won't win. And why is he not a flash in the pan...there hasn't even been a damned debate yet...
 
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well, and if we are questioning parties based on who is currently leading the polls...seems more obvious every day folks are zinging rocks from glass houses...Democrats need to focus on their own party identity if Mrs. Clinton rose to the top...

Not a trump fan...I won't dismiss his wealth as dumb luck...but of course he is a bad idea in the oval office. His 2-2.5 in 10 favorable is because of name recognition, and the fact that he is constantly getting coverage. He won't win. And why is he not a flash in the pan...there hasn't even been a damned debate yet...

Agree. Once the debates start the pretenders will be exposed as the more fork tounged candiates wil be able to work their magic. I fully expect Bush or Walker to come out on top with Rubio a slight darkhorse..

HRC should take the nomination but She is really gonna have to do something with Sanders. Obviously there is an extant blueprint on how to come at her from the left and win so I fully expect her weakness to become magnified. If Sanders hangs around it could be trouble for her. I think she is really gonna have to hit him hard and early.
 

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I doubt he'll go the distance, but people find him refreshing because he isn't afraid to call things as they are and be honest. My concern is that he will steal the show at the debates and we won't hear enough from guys like Carson, Kasich, etc.

Meanwhile on the other side of the aisle, Hillary's numbers are plunging, the radical leftists are excited about a socialist candidate, and Biden is going to run.

I don't think that I would call it being honest. I would call it sensational statements to get himself attention. That isn't calling things as they are or being honest, it is called being an uninformed jackass.
 

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I don't think that I would call it being honest. I would call it sensational statements to get himself attention. That isn't calling things as they are or being honest, it is called being an uninformed jackass.

Exactly. He's not saying what he thinks or what is true. He's getting press. Nothing more.
 
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