'16 CA S / ATH D.J. Morgan (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[Luckylucci]

So you still think Chacho gets a spot at the end of the year? If I'm gonna take a flyer, I'll take Morgan. He can at least grow into a LB, whereas Chacho is Nicco 2.0.

ND got too much traction with the guys back east for the Cali guys to wait it out.

Be interesting to see why he chose to open it back up.

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I really don't have a read on this one. Our DB recruiting is going well to very well, IMO and I don't think he'd be a take if it was just him coming by himself. I don't know how important to Javon's recruitment that Chacho is. As of now, with USC, slowing down with Javon and us picking up steam we may not have to play this card. So, I guess I'd call it a coin toss.

Agreed, I really like some of those players but outside of Lamar jackson I'm just not sure those recruitments go anywhere.

 

[Luckylucci]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">4-star S D.J. Morgan has decommitted from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ASU?src=hash">#ASU</a>. Find out what led to the decision. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SunDevils?src=hash">#SunDevils</a> <a href="http://t.co/S2NQsmBSc2">http://t.co/S2NQsmBSc2</a> <a href="http://t.co/PaSY6g2EGZ">pic.twitter.com/PaSY6g2EGZ</a></p>— Rivals.com (@Rivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rivals/status/620657720497061888">July 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Edit: Looks like I was a few days late with this one.

Notes Cal, ND, and Colorado as schools he's looking at. He just wanted to take a step back and re-evaluate his options, feels like he rushed his first decision. ASU is still under consideration. No timetable for another decision.

 

[jerboski]

I really don't have a read on this one. Our DB recruiting is going well to very well, IMO and I don't think he'd be a take if it was just him coming by himself. I don't know how important to Javon's recruitment that Chacho is. As of now, with USC, slowing down with Javon and us picking up steam we may not have to play this card. So, I guess I'd call it a coin toss.

Agreed, I really like some of those players but outside of Lamar jackson I'm just not sure those recruitments go anywhere.

Agree with you on all of that, are you hearing anything that we could be a player for Brandon Burton?

 

[Luckylucci]

Agree with you on all of that, are you hearing anything that we could be a player for Brandon Burton?

Nothing that you probably haven't already. The staff really likes him as a player and are putting a lot of resources into him and it seems to working to some extent. Expect to get a OV but how far this goes, I'm still skeptical. As you know FSU and ND are pretty much polar opposite programs at this time and if a Cali kid is strongly considering them, its probably not going to work for us.

 

[Irish#1]

Nothing that you probably haven't already. The staff really likes him as a player and are putting a lot of resources into him and it seems to working to some extent. Expect to get a OV but how far this goes, I'm still skeptical. As you know FSU and ND are pretty much polar opposite programs at this time and if a Cali kid is strongly considering them, its probably not going to work for us.

Yeah, it's hard to top all the booty and crab lakes you can want.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

Notes Cal, ND, and Colorado as schools he's looking at. He just wanted to take a step back and re-evaluate his options, feels like he rushed his first decision. ASU is still under consideration. No timetable for another decision.

I remember there being a lot of bad mouthing about Morgan's talent after he committed to ASU and we offered late. In your opinion is he actually a down-the-line target for us, or was that just sour grapes on our part?

 

[Luckylucci]

I think TP said it well above but to answer your question, yes I think he's a down the line type of target. I'd be shocked if he could commit to ND now.

Keep in mind that prior to his commitment to ASU we had no S's committed, now we have Elliot and Perry with others looking very likely.

 

[BobbyMac]

Nothing that you probably haven't already. The staff really likes him as a player and are putting a lot of resources into him and it seems to working to some extent. Expect to get a OV but how far this goes, I'm still skeptical. As you know FSU and ND are pretty much polar opposite programs at this time and if a Cali kid is strongly considering them, its probably not going to work for us.

I have no idea what's going on in Burton's mind but if he is on the outside looking in with this year's SoCal - SC haul then it makes sense that he's flirting with the FSU / SEC type schools to save some face. The ND card is there to play too because that gives you a different superiority card to play. Barnett played it twice last year when Town and Rosen took all the LA/IE/OC headlines. I think Henry tried getting out of Costello's shadow in the same manner. There are a lot of guys who are SC "mental locks" growing up and I think Burton was definitely one of them. He seems to have gotten pinched by his teammate Pollard on the defensive side of the ball and SC likes Vaughn and recent commit Sidney more on the offensive side of the ball. It seems Brandon is a classic two way SoCal player that wants the glamour side of the ball first but SC has a ton of them and most likely will be getting Vaughn, Sidney and Jones this year to add to the JuJu & Adoree.

Going to UCLA for some of these guys is not acceptable. Going to ND gets you out of here and allows you to get your one shot a year at the team that loved you for years but left you at the alter. Staying at UCLA leaves you at the lesser school 365 days a year. Plus, you can take the high road with an ND choice. That's why I say ND has to be on it's A game every cycle in LA because they can't all go to SC, many won't accept the bride's maid position at UCLA and the 2 premier Catholic Leagues have to be worth something to the recruitment even if SC has had great luck with certain schools like Serra and Mater Dei.

11 and 12 win ND teams will make it that much easier to pull these type of kids. I think 2-3 a year would be a good number to shoot for. Last year they got St Brown and Sanders this year hopefully it's McKinnley, Betiku and Burton or Long. In '17, SC will be back to regular size classes and if SoCal produces like it did the last two cylcles a double digit win-plus ND could be in line for Osiris St Brown, Joseph Lewis, Wyatt Davis, Brandon McKinney and many others especially if SC leaves South Bend with an ugly L on Oct. 17th.

 

[BobbyMac]

Yeah, it's hard to top all the booty and crab takes you can want.

FIFY

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[jerboski]

Nothing that you probably haven't already. The staff really likes him as a player and are putting a lot of resources into him and it seems to working to some extent. Expect to get a OV but how far this goes, I'm still skeptical. As you know FSU and ND are pretty much polar opposite programs at this time and if a Cali kid is strongly considering them, its probably not going to work for us.

Yeah, was just curious if you were hearing anything else... Burton is an elite FS prospect in my mind so would love to see some traction made

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Four-star Safety D.J. Morgan has 3 official visits in mind. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoBuffs?src=hash">#GoBuffs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ND?src=hash">#ND</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cal?src=hash">#Cal</a> <a href="http://t.co/fmn2bXeYq4">http://t.co/fmn2bXeYq4</a> <a href="http://t.co/Kl0fFQmn4G">pic.twitter.com/Kl0fFQmn4G</a></p>— Rivals.com (@Rivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rivals/status/622783035818139649">July 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Bluto]

I have no idea what's going on in Burton's mind but if he is on the outside looking in with this year's SoCal - SC haul then it makes sense that he's flirting with the FSU / SEC type schools to save some face. The ND card is there to play too because that gives you a different superiority card to play. Barnett played it twice last year when Town and Rosen took all the LA/IE/OC headlines. I think Henry tried getting out of Costello's shadow in the same manner. There are a lot of guys who are SC "mental locks" growing up and I think Burton was definitely one of them. He seems to have gotten pinched by his teammate Pollard on the defensive side of the ball and SC likes Vaughn and recent commit Sidney more on the offensive side of the ball. It seems Brandon is a classic two way SoCal player that wants the glamour side of the ball first but SC has a ton of them and most likely will be getting Vaughn, Sidney and Jones this year to add to the JuJu & Adoree.

Going to UCLA for some of these guys is not acceptable. Going to ND gets you out of here and allows you to get your one shot a year at the team that loved you for years but left you at the alter. Staying at UCLA leaves you at the lesser school 365 days a year. Plus, you can take the high road with an ND choice. That's why I say ND has to be on it's A game every cycle in LA because they can't all go to SC, many won't accept the bride's maid position at UCLA and the 2 premier Catholic Leagues have to be worth something to the recruitment even if SC has had great luck with certain schools like Serra and Mater Dei.

11 and 12 win ND teams will make it that much easier to pull these type of kids. I think 2-3 a year would be a good number to shoot for. Last year they got St Brown and Sanders this year hopefully it's McKinnley, Betiku and Burton or Long. In '17, SC will be back to regular size classes and if SoCal produces like it did the last two cylcles a double digit win-plus ND could be in line for Osiris St Brown, Joseph Lewis, Wyatt Davis, Brandon McKinney and many others especially if SC leaves South Bend with an ugly L on Oct. 17th.

Is UCLA still looked upon as the "bridesmaid" after having kicked the crap out of SC three years running?

 

[ResLife Hero]

Is UCLA still looked upon as the "bridesmaid" after having kicked the crap out of SC three years running?

At least in my experience, yes. I have a ton of family in the inland empire, and SC has continued to be the "power" team in the area.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Is UCLA still looked upon as the "bridesmaid" after having kicked the crap out of SC three years running?

I hate USC with a passion, and I grew up in a UCLA family and (despite all the recent BS) have always been my #2 school. Having said that, UCLA can beat USC 10 times in a row and they will still be #2. They are a basketball school, and USC is a football school with a choke hold on the L.A. market.

Now, Mora has done a great job bridging the gap and getting some quality recruits to come to UCLA, but in the end, even when they are owning USC, they are still quite a bit ways behind in recruiting. It's just the way it is...

 

[IrishSteelhead]

'16 CA S / ATH D.J. Morgan (Offer)

'16 CA S / ATH D.J. Morgan (Offer)

I hate USC with a passion, and I grew up in a UCLA family and (despite all the recent BS) have always been my #2 school. Having said that, UCLA can beat USC 10 times in a row and they will still be #2. They are a basketball school, and USC is a football school with a choke hold on the L.A. market.



Now, Mora has done a great job bridging the gap and getting some quality recruits to come to UCLA, but in the end, even when they are owning USC, they are still quite a bit ways behind in recruiting. It's just the way it is...

scUM and Sparty have the same relationship. The Skunks will always be number 1 for football in Michigan, but it is nice to see UCLA and MSU beat up on them this decade.

 

[Rocknes Ghost]

While driving through LA during football season for work last year, they were hyping USC v UCLA on the radio as "the biggest rivalry in college football." I laughed out loud in my car.

 

[ColinKSU]

Is UCLA still looked upon as the "bridesmaid" after having kicked the crap out of SC three years running?

I think UCLA is always going to be in a position similar to Michigan State where, even when it's clearly the superior program (like MSU it to Michigan), they'll still be looked at as the bridesmaid to a lot of in-state folks.

A 12-win Michigan team will probably have a lot more juice than a 12-win MSU team most years. Just like a 12-win USC team is going to grab headlines that a 12-win UCLA team won't grab.

 

[Cackalacky]

I hate USC with a passion, and I grew up in a UCLA family and (despite all the recent BS) have always been my #2 school. Having said that, UCLA can beat USC 10 times in a row and they will still be #2. They are a basketball school, and USC is a football school with a choke hold on the L.A. market.

Now, Mora has done a great job bridging the gap and getting some quality recruits to come to UCLA, but in the end, even when they are owning USC, they are still quite a bit ways behind in recruiting. It's just the way it is...

Hollywood.... I have asked this a few times before just as a general question to the board but do you have any idea why kids from California will go to Michigan to play football? I mean SCUM usually has a handfull of kids from Cali particularly QBs. I dont get it. Does it have something to do with the Rose Bowl matchups historically? Just something I have observed but never understood.

Not that it has anything to do with this recruit but Steelhead mentioned SCUM and I have been meaning to ask you that.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Michigan is a traditionally good program. Kids on their officials are impressed with the Big House and the game day environment. Michigan isn't a bad degree and is easier than Notre Dame. Also, as well documented Michigan has the frat life.

Remember, these kids arent following these programs day in and out for years. They know what they know from what they have heard in the past and then schools know how to impress a 16-17 year old kid on their visits.

But, Michigan isn't drawing the top talent from California. The LB Poly kids arent taking officials to Michigan, but they are ND. a

 

[Cackalacky]

Michigan is a traditionally good program. Kids on their officials are impressed with the Big House and the game day environment. Michigan isn't a bad degree and is easier than Notre Dame. Also, as well documented Michigan has the frat life.

Remember, these kids arent following these programs day in and out for years. They know what they know from what they have heard in the past and then schools know how to impress a 16-17 year old kid on their visits.

But, Michigan isn't drawing the top talent from California. The LB Poly kids arent taking officials to Michigan, but they are ND. a

Thanks for the response TP. I guess I realized they weren't getting big names but they always seem to grab a few here and there.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Thanks for the response TP. I guess I realized they weren't getting big names but they always seem to grab a few here and there.

Yeah, I mean it's kind of like Notre Dame in Florida and Texas. They are getting Jalen Brown's, but also getting some Cam McDaniel type of players.

I think with any program like Michigan, Notre Dame and Ohio State, you will see a huge Midwest presence, but then also a presence from California, Texas and Florida. OSU isnt pulling the top kids from California either and they aren't exactly lighting the world up in the South with being able to take whoever they want without worrying about academics.

Don't get me wrong, OSU has pulled some nice players from the South, but it's not like they are abandoning the Midwest for talent.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Just for shits and giggle I looked at the Michigan roster for 2015.

Eric Mangnuson is the only player from California on the Wolverines roster He was a four-star with a Notre Dame offer as well as Arizona, ASU, Cal, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, USC and UCLA.

He has only made 13 starts and Michigan has had far from a deep offensive line in his tenure. So, he has had a nice career, but not exactly blowing it up for a 2012 prospect.

So, I don't think Michigan has a great presence if from 2012-now there is one guy from Cali and he is a OL at that. Notre Dame hasn't had much success in Cali, but Joe Schmidt and Amir Carlisle have matched Magnuson as far as impact.

 

[pkt77242]

Just for shits and giggle I looked at the Michigan roster for 2015.

Eric Mangnuson is the only player from California on the Wolverines roster He was a four-star with a Notre Dame offer as well as Arizona, ASU, Cal, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, USC and UCLA.

He has only made 13 starts and Michigan has had far from a deep offensive line in his tenure. So, he has had a nice career, but not exactly blowing it up for a 2012 prospect.

So, I don't think Michigan has a great presence if from 2012-now there is one guy from Cali and he is a OL at that. Notre Dame hasn't had much success in Cali, but Joe Schmidt and Amir Carlisle have matched Magnuson as far as impact.

Don't forget Redfield.

 

[PANDFAN]

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[GrangerIrish24]

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Alright! Another shot at the poor mans Su'a Cravens!

 

[NDinL.A.]

Alright! Another shot at the poor mans Su'a Cravens!

You spelled "Sua Cravens' equal or perhaps his superior" wrong. haha

 

[GrangerIrish24]

You spelled "Sua Cravens' equal or perhaps his superior" wrong. haha

It's the upgraded version LOL

 

[rtrn2glory]

Would hope with all the safeties we have on the board still that we'll be able to at least land one or two of them.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Would hope with all the safeties we have on the board still that we'll be able to at least land one or two of them.

Yeah, which is why it won't happen. Instead we'll take 10 OL and 9 LBs and convert them as needed.

 

[BobbyMac]

Yeah, which is why it won't happen. Instead we'll take 10 OL and 9 LBs and convert them as needed.

Great idea, VDP.

Hey Navy and GT, you wanna run that FB lead blocker up the middle? Meet the games first SKRONG Safety, 6-2, 305lb Sam Mustipher. Your play is Blownt Up.


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