'11 NY OLB Ishaq Williams (Signed ND LOI-EE)

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With a year of experience, I think Trumbetti is going to make a big leap this year.

Me as well, his volume should be much better this year. I'm fairly optimistic about what our DE's will do going forward. I firmly believe Trumbetti, Blankenship, Williams, and Bonner will be a formidable group, they just need more than 1 year.
 

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For those worried about not having any proven pass rushers going into this season, we were basically in the same situation in 2012. Our best pass rushers graduated (Fleming) and transferred (Lynch). The closest thing we had was Shembo, who played DOG in 11 behind Spond. Nix wasn't a pass rushing threat, Kap missed alot of 11 due to injury and Tuitt was coming off a freshman campaign where he barely played due to his mono. Not to mention we now have Gilmore coaching rather than Elston, needless to say, major coaching upgrade.We have the guys up front to produce AT LEAST an adequate pass rush.
 

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For those worried about not having any proven pass rushers going into this season, we were basically in the same situation in 2012. Our best pass rushers graduated (Fleming) and transferred (Lynch). The closest thing we had was Shembo, who played DOG in 11 behind Spond. Nix wasn't a pass rushing threat, Kap missed alot of 11 due to injury and Tuitt was coming off a freshman campaign where he barely played due to his mono. Not to mention we now have Gilmore coaching rather than Elston, needless to say, major coaching upgrade.We have the guys up front to produce AT LEAST an adequate pass rush.

5 of our guys in the Front 7 in 2012 ended up being drafted. Our depth is better now, but we don't have close to the same skill level with our starters IMO.
 

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5 of our guys in the Front 7 in 2012 ended up being drafted. Our depth is better now, but we don't have close to the same skill level with our starters IMO.

I disagree. In fact, we'll probably end up with all 7 starters getting drafted at some point.

Jaylon is definitely a top 10-15 pick right now.
Day could end up in the first 3 rounds if he has a healthy year.
Rochell could be the same in 17 once he moves inside.
Okwara's insane athleticism will get him drafted and improving his PR will only help his stock.
If Jones comes back healthy, I can think of a few teams that may want a 6'6 310 lb DT.
Onwualu looked solid in his first year at LB and has the tools and time to catch Scout's eyes.
Morgan and Trumbetti are young but have that live experience and a shit ton of athleticism.
Schmidt/Grace are the only real ?'s, but even they could end up as late rounders,depending on how much they play and how they come back from injury.

We had skill in 2012, but the point was that we didn't know we had that skill until game 1. We didn't know how Kap would come back from injury, we didn't know if Tuitt was going to take that next step, we didn't know if our severe lack of depth would hurt us, which at times it did. The point is, our ?'s this year are not exactly foreign territory, for us or really any team. You just have to hope Gilmore does his job and guys like Trumbetti, Rochell, Okwara, etc step up like Tuitt, Kap and Shembo did back then.
 
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someone posted on facebook he will only be coming back to finish degree and won't be on the team
 

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Feel like he is to physically gifted to not exhaust his eligibility somewhere. I know he never really showed it at ND but he honestly has NFL size and athleticism if he could get his head straight.
 

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Feel like he is to physically gifted to not exhaust his eligibility somewhere. I know he never really showed it at ND but he honestly has NFL size and athleticism if he could get his head straight.


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Coach D at rivals :not sure that showing up for summer school equals being eligible to play next season. My understanding of his punishment is he would need a lot more classes to get eligible than he would be able to take this summer. I could be wrong and no one has ever answered this one straight up, but that's been my read.

Now, I know Ishaq's dad, or at least I did when he was being recruited. He is BIG TIME into academics, so it would not surprise me to see if he could do whatever he has to do to get Ishaq back in school to get his degree, regardless if it means he's not eligible to play football. I don't think he cares very much about that. His thing has always been about the education piece.
 

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Coach D at rivals :not sure that showing up for summer school equals being eligible to play next season. My understanding of his punishment is he would need a lot more classes to get eligible than he would be able to take this summer. I could be wrong and no one has ever answered this one straight up, but that's been my read.

Now, I know Ishaq's dad, or at least I did when he was being recruited. He is BIG TIME into academics, so it would not surprise me to see if he could do whatever he has to do to get Ishaq back in school to get his degree, regardless if it means he's not eligible to play football. I don't think he cares very much about that. His thing has always been about the education piece.

Did Coach D expand on that or is he just repeating hearsay? Because I honest don't understand why he would need more classes? Ishaq early enrolled and was always in good academic standing until the Frozen 5 deal. If he takes a full summer load, he should be on track to graduate, not to mention well above any ncaa hurdles.

If he is on track to graduate and has a semester of passing grades between him and the suspension, he should be good imo.
 
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Did Coach D expand on that or is he just repeating hearsay? Because I honest don't understand why he would need more classes? Ishaq early enrolled and was always in good academic standing until the Frozen 5 deal. If he takes a full summer load, he should be on track to graduate, not to mention well above any ncaa hurdles.

If he is on track to graduate and has a semester of passing grades between him and the suspension, he should be good imo.

I assume this means some older grades for completed courses were turned into incompletes due to the frozen five revelations.
 

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Did Coach D expand on that or is he just repeating hearsay? Because I honest don't understand why he would need more classes? Ishaq early enrolled and was always in good academic standing until the Frozen 5 deal. If he takes a full summer load, he should be on track to graduate, not to mention well above any ncaa hurdles.

If he is on track to graduate and has a semester of passing grades between him and the suspension, he should be good imo.

that was all he said....but i wonder if they didn't wipe out some classes he was/had taken as a result...just spitballin
 

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that was all he said....but i wonder if they didn't wipe out some classes he was/had taken as a result...just spitballin

Wouldn't have they done the same to KRuss then too? If all punishment is equal between the two, KRuss taking a semester back home is mitigated by Ishaq early enrolling. Right? Since Ishaq will be taking a summer semester, and KRuss took two, all things being equal it would put them on the same academic schedule.
 

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Wouldn't have they done the same to KRuss then too? If all punishment is equal between the two, KRuss taking a semester back home is mitigated by Ishaq early enrolling. Right? Since Ishaq will be taking a summer semester, and KRuss took two, all things being equal it would put them on the same academic schedule.

If the "tutor" rumors are true, maybe Ishaq used this tutor for a few classes while KVR only did for 1 or 2? Who knows? Maybe Ishaq had already been in trouble before and the school doesn't want to bend over backwards for him while this was KVR's first issue? Hardy seemed to be in a different boat than everyone else...I'm guessing each player's situation was unique and wouldn't be surprised if things like KVR being a potential 1st rounder or lead in the school play helped play to his favor.
 

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It's long been reported that all crimes were NOT equal in the Frozen Five ordeal.
 

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If the "tutor" rumors are true, maybe Ishaq used this tutor for a few classes while KVR only did for 1 or 2? Who knows? Maybe Ishaq had already been in trouble before and the school doesn't want to bend over backwards for him while this was KVR's first issue? Hardy seemed to be in a different boat than everyone else...I'm guessing each player's situation was unique and wouldn't be surprised if things like KVR being a potential 1st rounder or lead in the school play helped play to his favor.

I doubt that draft status would have been a consideration, just my opinion.

They would have had to given him incompletes for classes he already received grades for, as giving him incompletes for the semester he was in and his loss of the next semester, wouldn't have been enough to set him off track that far. Which I would be surprised by since this would be the first time I heard about any of the Frozen 5 losing credits they already attained. I don't even recall that even being talked about.
 

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Wooly, Ishaq was the worst offender of the Frozen Five, and from what I was told, it was pretty bad. Also, Russell took classes while he was gone, Ishaq did not.

CoachD told us a long time ago at an ISD lunch that Ishaq might not even be NCAA eligible, much less ND, from what he had heard. But this was several months ago.
 

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Kid is determined to finish his degree, much respect. Could've taken the road frequently traveled but is trying to finish it the hard way.
 

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Wooly, Ishaq was the worst offender of the Frozen Five, and from what I was told, it was pretty bad. Also, Russell took classes while he was gone, Ishaq did not.

CoachD told us a long time ago at an ISD lunch that Ishaq might not even be NCAA eligible, much less ND, from what he had heard. But this was several months ago.

I get that, and I've always been under the impression that his was one of the worst. That being said, has anyone ever confirmed that he had credits that were already earned taken away? Because regardless of whether KRuss took a semester session, Ishaq early enrolled and should have been one semester ahead. Pair that with Ishaq supposedly enrolling in the second summer session, that would hypothetically put them on the same amount of credits. If he had one semester of passing grades and on track to graduate on time, then he would be eligible.

I'm not saying that all of above is true. I'm just asking if anyone has any knowledge or facts regarding whether it's not?
 

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Sampson just spoke with Ishaq's dad. They are driving to ND this weekend and they still have not heard if he is re-admitted or not. Ishaq is willing to do whatever he is allowed to do in order to help the football team including playing on the Scout team. States Ishaq needs 27 credits to complete his degree (this seems WAY off from what others above are saying). Family is willing to figure out whatever way they can to pay for it.
 

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Sampson just spoke with Ishaq's dad. They are driving to ND this weekend and they still have not heard if he is re-admitted or not. Ishaq is willing to do whatever he is allowed to do in order to help the football team including playing on the Scout team. States Ishaq needs 27 credits to complete his degree (this seems WAY off from what others above are saying). Family is willing to figure out whatever way they can to pay for it.

It doesn't seem way off to me unless they gave him incompletes for classes he already passed. Nobody has came out and said definitivly that they took away credits. If someone has, then I hope they bring it up. Outside of that, he was never in bad academic standing until Frozen 5. If all that he got was failing the classes he was in and missing the next semester, then one summer semester should at worst put him on track.

But again, a lot of people (CoachD, Sampson, etc) have claimed he won't be eligible. I don't know if they have inside knowledge of his credit situation or some other unknown, but the school certainly wouldn't have provided them that info and Ishaq has said he wanted to return all along.

I hope he returns, but don't have my hopes up. The only thing that keeps any hope at all is his continued belief that he'll return and the fact that no one has shown anything concrete regarding him losing credits he already earned. Without that happening, the math adds up to him being NCAA eligible and on track for graduating if they let him enroll in the final summer semester.
 

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Regardless, a great sign for all of us Ishaq fans positive about his capabilities. An even better sign for this young man wanting to finish his degree and unselfish willingness to help the football team in whatever capacity he can.
 

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I'll add this, and I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but rather trying to get clarity. Notre Dame has the right not to admit him back into enrollment. But my question is this... On what grounds?

Maybe some legal nerds can clarify, but I asked around, and have found nothing to show that he was in poor academic standing before the Frozen 5. Which means, at the surface, he was academically in good standing until that point. In fact, his early enrollment put him a semester ahead of Russel in terms of earned credits. At best, Russells's summer school put him at the same credit standing as Ishaq.. If they chose to deny his admission, they seemingly would be denying him admittance because of his participation in academic scandal. Which is understandable, but absolutely does not hold water with the argument that he is not eligible per NCAA guidelines. Unless they took away credits earned (hey, that's possible) he will be academically eligible if they admit him for summer classes. If they do not admit Ishaq. Then they will be admitting Russell, for similar offense, in order to allow him to enroll to meet the same level that Ishaq would be at if they let him enroll.

I get it if Ishaq was two semesters behind Russell, but he is not. The fact remains that if Russell and Ishaq both walk into the upcoming summer semester, then they would both be in the same standing in terms of graduating. If the school chooses to do that, then fine... But unless someone can add some color around the situation, then I fail to see how they would deny his admission based off of academics while allowing Russell to enroll.

Somebody post up something that disproves this. If you can, then I will happily eat crow. I want clarity as well, but I have yet to see any actual facts disproving these arguments. I honestly don't see how they admit Russell and then claim that their reasoning is based off of NCAA guidelines or his standing in regards to credits earned. All I have read is innuendo and hearsay.
 
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Sampson just spoke with Ishaq's dad. They are driving to ND this weekend and they still have not heard if he is re-admitted or not. Ishaq is willing to do whatever he is allowed to do in order to help the football team including playing on the Scout team. States Ishaq needs 27 credits to complete his degree (this seems WAY off from what others above are saying). Family is willing to figure out whatever way they can to pay for it.

If this is accurate, I don't understand the questioning of NCAA eligibility. That equates to only two semesters. If he takes 12 credits this summer he will have one semester left and be able to graduate in December. Unless the ruling is he needs all 27 this summer, I agree with Wooly.
 

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It doesn't seem way off to me unless they gave him incompletes for classes he already passed. Nobody has came out and said definitivly that they took away credits. If someone has, then I hope they bring it up. Outside of that, he was never in bad academic standing until Frozen 5. If all that he got was failing the classes he was in and missing the next semester, then one summer semester should at worst put him on track.

But again, a lot of people (CoachD, Sampson, etc) have claimed he won't be eligible. I don't know if they have inside knowledge of his credit situation or some other unknown, but the school certainly wouldn't have provided them that info and Ishaq has said he wanted to return all along.

I hope he returns, but don't have my hopes up. The only thing that keeps any hope at all is his continued belief that he'll return and the fact that no one has shown anything concrete regarding him losing credits he already earned. Without that happening, the math adds up to him being NCAA eligible and on track for graduating if they let him enroll in the final summer semester.

If I'm understanding correctly, there's a difference in being readmitted to ND and being eligible for football this season. Just taking a stab into the dark with this but, maybe he is ineligible until he completes the summer term? I don't know. All of it is too much for me. All I truly care about is that he gets readmitted to ND and is able to graduate. Nothing else matters.
 
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