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It was not a one game thing. They have been receiving a huge competitive advantage that began in 2007. Right after the rule change. The Saints did not gain any advantage from bounty gate and in reality was more dumb than anything. A PR nightmare.


Stats Show the New England Patriots Became Nearly Fumble-Proof after 2006 Rule Change Proposed by Tom Brady
Posted on January 26, 2015
by Warren Sharp

May 7 2015 Update: Please also review my response to the Ted Wells report.

While speculation exists that “Deflate Gate” was a one time occurrence, data I introduced last week indicated that the phenomena MAY have been an ongoing, long standing issue for the New England Patriots. Today, that possibility looks as clear as day.

Initially, looking at weather data, I noticed the Patriots performed extremely well in the rain, much more so than they were projected. I followed that up by looking at the fumble data, which showed regardless of weather or site, the Patriots prevention of fumbles was nearly impossible. Ironically, both studies saw the same exact starting point: 2007 was the first season where things really changed for the Patriots. Something started in 2007 which is still on-going today.

I wanted to compare the New England Patriots fumble rate from 2000, when HC Bill Belichick first arrived in New England, to the rest of the NFL. Clearly, one thing I found in my prior research was that dome teams fumble substantially less frequently, given they play at least 8+ games out of the elements each year. To keep every team on a more level playing field, I eliminated dome teams from the analysis, grabbed only regular season games, and defined plays as pass attempts+rushes+times sacked. The below results also look only at total fumbles, not just fumbles which are lost. This brought us to the ability to capture touches per fumble.

To really confirm something was dramatically different in New England, starting in 2007 thru present, I compared the 2000-06 time period (when Bill Belichick was their head coach and they won all of their Super Bowls) to the 2007-2014 time period. The beauty of data is the results speak for themselves:

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The data is jaw dropping, and this visual perfectly depicts what happened. From a more technical perspective, John Candido, a Data Scientist at ZestFinance who is a colleague of mine over at the NFLproject.com website and was also involved in the development of this research, comments:

Based on the assumption that plays per fumble follow a normal distribution, you’d expect to see, according to random fluctuation, the results that the Patriots have gotten since 2007 once in 5842 instances.

Which in layman’s terms means that this result only being a coincidence, is like winning a raffle where you have a 0.0001711874 probability to win. In other words, it’s very unlikely that results this abnormal are only due to the endogenous nature of the game.

Many of the arguments giving the Patriots the benefit of the doubt are evaporating. While this data does not prove they deflated footballs starting in 2007, we know they were interested in obtaining that ability in 2006. (This is something I found out AFTER I performed the first two analyses, both of which independently found that something changed starting in 2007.)

In 2006, Tom Brady (and Peyton Manning) lobbied in favor of changing a NFL rule, and as a result, the NFL agreed to change policies. Brady wanted the NFL to let EVERY team provide its OWN footballs to use on offense, even when that team was playing on the road. Prior to that year, the HOME team provided ALL the footballs, meaning the home quarterback selected the footballs the ROAD quarterback would play with on offense.

Brady’s quote at the time, when pushing for the change was: “The thing is, every quarterback likes it a little bit different. Some like them blown up a little bit more, some like them a little more thin, some like them a little more new, some like them really broken in.”

Obviously this information, when combined with the data above, is exceedingly compelling. Not only can you visually see the change when aggregating the data into periods of 2000-06 and 2007-14, you can clearly see how it occurs on the following two graphs. The data is the same, but details are added in the second graph to provide additional information and context:

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Once again, a key takeaway is deadly obvious: prior to 2007 the Patriots were RIGHT IN LINE with the league averages across the other non-dome teams. When you look team by team, they literally are in the middle of the pack for most seasons, as the histogram in the very first graphic at the top of this article shows. But starting in 2007, all similarities totally vanish.

The statistical “jump” the Patriots make in the 2006 offseason, from one fumble every 39 plays to one fumble every 76 plays is nothing short of remarkable. Their trendline over this period is not even close to that of the rest of the NFL.

The 2013 season is an oddity in that the Patriots were actually slightly worse than the rest of the NFL. Looking at that season, its apparent the reason: of the Patriots 23 fumbles that season, 6 (over 25%) occurred in a Sunday night game vs the Broncos played in 22 degree weather, with 22 mph winds and a wind chill of 6 degrees. Cold conditions of this nature absolutely cause more fumbles than usual. They fumbled a TOTAL of 5 times in 11 of their 16 games in 2013 (69% of their total games), so it truly was this week 12 “antarctic” game (and a week 17 game vs the Bills which saw 4 fumbles) which really put the Patriots fumble rates for 2013 out of sync. This is exactly why looking at small sample sets, such as single seasons, is not the preferred manner to investigate this analysis.

Why are fumbles so important? Because as Bill Belichick knows, perhaps more so than most NFL coaches due to his understanding of the game – turnovers usually control game outcomes. Since 2000, teams who won the turnover battle won 79% of their games, regardless of ANY other statistic. A 12-5 record equates to 75% wins, so its clear how vital turnovers are in the minds of intelligent coaches. And as far as turnovers are concerned, the number one concern for a team with a quarterback as skilled and proficient as Tom Brady is not interceptions (because there won’t be many), its fumbles.

There are many arguments which have been raised in favor of why the Patriots don’t fumble as often as other teams. Many of them are simply factually incorrect. If it was coaching, former players should be able to tell us that Bill Belichick suddenly and drastically changed the way he instructed players to carry the football in the 2006 offseason. But the data shows that if mysterious trade secret was delivered, the players forgot about it when they left New England, as their individual fumble rates became drastically worse when playing for other NFL teams.

The bottom line is, something happened in New England. It happened just before the 2007 season, and it completely changed this team. While NFL teams apparently are complaining to the league that they felt the Patriots played with deflated footballs during the 2014 season and postseason, all investigations into those allegations would be wise to reference my research herein, and begin the investigation in the 2006. That was when Tom Brady was able to persuade the NFL to change its rules to allow him (and other quarterbacks) to provide their own footballs for all road games. I will reiterate, this analysis cannot say it was, undoubtedly, illegal football deflation which caused the data abnormalities. But it does conclude that something absolutely changed, and it was not the result of simple random fluctuation.

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Because I was asked so often for the data that I used in the first analysis, as a courtesy, I am going to link an excel file with all the summary data used to create the graphics shown above. Support Data

Warren Sharp of sharpfootballanalysis.com is an industry pioneer at the forefront of incorporating advanced analytics and metrics into football analysis. A licensed Professional Engineer by trade, Warren applies the same critical thought process and problem solving techniques into his passion, football. After spending years constructing, testing and perfecting computer models written to understand the critical elements to win NFL football games, Warren’s quantitative analytics are used in private consulting work, and elements of which are publicly shared on sharpfootballanalysis.com. To contact Warren, please email sharp@sharpfootballanalysis.com or send a direct message on Twitter to @SharpFootball.

Why Those Statistics About The Patriots' Fumbles Are Mostly Junk

This was debunked all over the internet as the author cherry-picked which stats to use and which to ignore.

You want to know why they don't fumble? It's not tolerated in their offense. Ridley runs for 1200+ in 2012 as a 2nd year player, and then gets benched right away in 2013 once he gets a hint of fumble-itis. Belichick doesn't care who you are, he benches you if you turn it over.
 

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So many things that are concerning about this decision:

1) They talk about the Patriots ruining the integrity of the game by deflating the footballs. If the integrity was such a concern, how did the NFL knowingly allow them to play the whole 1st half of the AFC Championship game with footballs they were believing might be improperly inflated and therefore illegal.

2) If I am the Pats, I would ask for the records of the PSI levels of every game ball from last year. They were tested and approved just like the game balls the Pats used. If this was such a concern to the league, I am sure they have records on this.

3) Has the NFL ever done studies of what happens to the air pressure in the footballs during a game? When I leave my house the PSI level in my tires is at 31(Brady acceptable level) and after a few hours it rises to 35 (Rodgers acceptable level).

4) Plaxico Burress loaded weapon goes off in a night club and is sentence to prison and receives a 4 game suspension by the league.

5) Someone please tell Keyshon Johnson to shut up! He was blasting the hell out of Brady. I guess he forgot the QB from his Superbowl winning team is on record saying he paid someone $7500 to alter the balls before the game.

6) So many players and NFL personal have come out blasting the enforcement of this rule since Deflate Gate started. This included one 20 year equipment manager who requested anonymity and stated the officials always bring in their gauges yet he has never seen them put to use. The touch every ball and by feel OK them. He has yet to have one rejected.

7) The commissioner used to warn teams (so recently it was happening while Brady was in the league) of said investigation that might occur. Basically, a behind closed doors if you are doing something quit or you will be punished. It cleaned things up without going public.
 

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People trying to compare this punishment to punishments for CRIMINAL offenses are completely missing the point.

With criminal offenses, NFL punishment is secondary. Our legal system is primary. Anything the NFL hands out is not meant to be "punishment to fit the crime"... of course a DUI is (societally) worse than deflating footballs. Of course domestic violence is worse than popping for adderall. NFL punishments for crimes only exist as a secondary measure to our legal systems in an attempt to prop up league image.

Violations of league rules or the CBA... now, these are PRIMARY offenses to the NFL. That's why Bountygate was punished so strongly... something that gave ZERO competitive advantage. That's why this violation by Brady is being punished so strongly. That's why you can lose a whole season for failing a drug test even if no PEDs are involved and the drugs are all legal.

Trying to compare this to Ray Rice, etc. is really silly.
 

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People trying to compare this punishment to punishments for CRIMINAL offenses are completely missing the point.

With criminal offenses, NFL punishment is secondary. Our legal system is primary. Anything the NFL hands out is not meant to be "punishment to fit the crime"... of course a DUI is (societally) worse than deflating footballs. Of course domestic violence is worse than popping for adderall. NFL punishments for crimes only exist as a secondary measure to our legal systems in an attempt to prop up league image.

Violations of league rules or the CBA... now, these are PRIMARY offenses to the NFL. That's why Bountygate was punished so strongly... something that gave ZERO competitive advantage. That's why this violation by Brady is being punished so strongly. That's why you can lose a whole season for failing a drug test even if no PEDs are involved and the drugs are all legal.

Trying to compare this to Ray Rice, etc. is really silly.
You're right. I brought up Ray Rice and it's really not the same thing.

My biggest problem is the severity of the punishment as it relates to the level of evidence presented in the Wells Report. "More probable than not" and "at least generally aware" seem like ridiculously low burdens of proof for a punishment of this magnitude.
 

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Wells report disregards Anderson’s “best recollection” on a key piece of evidence | ProFootballTalk

I am not a Patriots fan (I am a Vikings fan) but this link gives the reason why I believe that the punishment was too harsh.

This is by far the best argument that the Patriots/Brady have and it's something no one outside of the Boston media really picked up on until Sunday. One gauge says the Patriots balls were 100% legit at halftime. The other guage obviously does not. Despite Walt Anderson saying he believed he used the gauge pre-game that measures higher (and exonerates the Pats), the report decided to conclude that he must have used the other gauge.

There are many instances of the Wells Report and the Exponent science lab cherry-picking what evidence to use and which to disregard. Maybe a suspension for Brady not complying with the investigation would stick for an appeal, but I really don't see a way that any judge would rule that the balls were tampered with based on the evidence. Hell, even lost in the "damagaing" texts is one in October referencing that the footballs are supposed to be at 13 PSI and Brady was annoyed they were too high.
 

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Wells report disregards Anderson’s “best recollection” on a key piece of evidence | ProFootballTalk

I am not a Patriots fan (I am a Vikings fan) but this link gives the reason why I believe that the punishment was too harsh.
It also flies in the face of "more likely than not." In order for a conclusion to be "more likely than not," then every premise the builds to that conclusion must also be more likely than not (at a very bare minimum). At best, it's a 50/50 proposition on whether the balls were even deflated in the first place, let alone whether the Patriots deflated them intentionally.
 

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I want the $10B vBucks that i lost on that game...how could i know that Brady had the balls deflated? :)
 

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You're right. I brought up Ray Rice and it's really not the same thing.

My biggest problem is the severity of the punishment as it relates to the level of evidence presented in the Wells Report. "More probable than not" and "at least generally aware" seem like ridiculously low burdens of proof for a punishment of this magnitude.

Other issues:

1. The NFL hasn't issued severe punishments for ball tampering in the past. There are documented instances of ball boys warming up gameballs with heaters.

2. It seems like the NFL also increased the severity of the punishment because Brady didn't "cooperate" with the investigation. Basically the NFL suspended him for 4 games and took away draft picks because it's "probable" that he did it and Brady refused to give Goodell his cell phone. Give me a break.
 

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Other issues:

1. The NFL hasn't issued severe punishments for ball tampering in the past. There are documented instances of ball boys warming up gameballs with heaters.

2. It seems like the NFL also increased the severity of the punishment because Brady didn't "cooperate" with the investigation. Basically the NFL suspended him for 4 games and took away draft picks because it's "probable" that he did it and Brady refused to give Goodell his cell phone. Give me a break.

This. With the amount of leaks this investigation had from the start, why the hell would you hand over your phone? Or even let them cycle through any texts in your presence? From Brady's point of view, the NFL is investigating to prove his guilt. They aren't there to help him out. Why help them try and paint you as guilty?
 

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Other issues:

1. The NFL hasn't issued severe punishments for ball tampering in the past. There are documented instances of ball boys warming up gameballs with heaters.

2. It seems like the NFL also increased the severity of the punishment because Brady didn't "cooperate" with the investigation. Basically the NFL suspended him for 4 games and took away draft picks because it's "probable" that he did it and Brady refused to give Goodell his cell phone. Give me a break.

Rightly or not, I think that a big chunk of this is that it occurred in the playoffs.
 

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This. With the amount of leaks this investigation had from the start, why the hell would you hand over your phone? Or even let them cycle through any texts in your presence? From Brady's point of view, the NFL is investigating to prove his guilt. They aren't there to help him out. Why help them try and paint you as guilty?

Oh come on! They said he didn't have to turn over his entire phone! They asked for specific information and he REFUSED to provide. "But there are leaks" is a bullshit defense to not let them even look at specific texts between specific numbers on your phone while you keep it in your possession.

Even in a court of law, the 5th Amendment doesn't allow someone to refuse to turn over evidence. Should Aaron Hernandez not have to turn over his home security videos? Of course not. At no time in the history of ever has someone used the defense of "well, the incriminating evidence is in my possession, so I'm just not going to let you have it." Give me a break.

It's Brady's prerogative to be dishonest and not incriminate himself, and clearly he's chosen to do that. But to attempt subterfuge of an investigation and then try to reserve the right to call the findings/punishment "unfair" when you refused to full cooperate is beyond laughable.

And a final general note... if you don't believe Brady has been lying, you're intentionally burying your head in the sand. He and the Pats were uncooperative and dishonest throughout the process.
 

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This. With the amount of leaks this investigation had from the start, why the hell would you hand over your phone? Or even let them cycle through any texts in your presence? From Brady's point of view, the NFL is investigating to prove his guilt. They aren't there to help him out. Why help them try and paint you as guilty?[/QUOTE]

Simple.....cooperate with them from the beginning and take away their ability to come down too hard. Kind of like a plea agreement. Refuse and get the "You don't want to cooperate? No problem, but be prepared for the consequences."

This isn't a court of law. From what I've heard, Goodell can do pretty much whatever he wants. He already has a black eye for the Rice incident. If Brady and the Pats cooperate and Goodell rules too harshly, he looks bad again. That's when the owners start questioning his leadership. Since Brady didn't cooperate as the NFL requested, Goodell is reminding everyone that the NFL isn't a democracy and you play by the rules.
 
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If Brady had nothing to hide and has done nothing wrong, why lie about knowing McNally? Why lie about the amount of contact with Jastremski and McNally?

You have to be intentionally obtuse to think that someone who lies about his relationship with the two primary parties AND refuse to turn over evidence is "innocent."

The truth shall set you free... yet Brady has chosen not to tell the truth at any point so far, and instead opts to hide behind "but there is no smoking gun that directly implicates me!"

It's a joke and an insult to all of us.
 

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If Brady had nothing to hide and has done nothing wrong, why lie about knowing McNally? Why lie about the amount of contact with Jastremski and McNally?

You have to be intentionally obtuse to think that someone who lies about his relationship with the two primary parties AND refuse to turn over evidence is "innocent."

The truth shall set you free... yet Brady has chosen not to tell the truth at any point so far, and instead opts to hide behind "but there is no smoking gun that directly implicates me!"

It's a joke and an insult to all of us.

I think you're right. But the fact remains that there is no smoking gun that directly implicates him.
 

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Oh come on! They said he didn't have to turn over his entire phone! They asked for specific information and he REFUSED to provide. "But there are leaks" is a bullshit defense to not let them even look at specific texts between specific numbers on your phone while you keep it in your possession.

Even in a court of law, the 5th Amendment doesn't allow someone to refuse to turn over evidence. Should Aaron Hernandez not have to turn over his home security videos? Of course not. At no time in the history of ever has someone used the defense of "well, the incriminating evidence is in my possession, so I'm just not going to let you have it." Give me a break.

It's Brady's prerogative to be dishonest and not incriminate himself, and clearly he's chosen to do that. But to attempt subterfuge of an investigation and then try to reserve the right to call the findings/punishment "unfair" when you refused to full cooperate is beyond laughable.

And a final general note... if you don't believe Brady has been lying, you're intentionally burying your head in the sand. He and the Pats were uncooperative and dishonest throughout the process.

Any texts or emails he sent to the equipment guys were in the report, since they had access to the equipment managers' phones. Since those two were the only two guys besides Brady who were in the report, it is reasonable to assume they would have wanted Brady's phone to look for texts he sent/received from Belichick or other coaches and players (although let the record show that the report included texts between an equipment guy and his fiancee, so it's tough to tell exactly what other texts they would have asked to see...which then opens up more potential crap for Brady.....what if he lets them see texts between Edelman but not his texts to Gronk....suddenly that's something else that will make him look guilty).

Maybe he shit-talks Lafell in texts to Edelman. Maybe he and Belichick have a text jokes about Peyton. Maybe he buys coke from Gronk. Maybe he has Josh McDaniels saved under a contact as "Fag". He's Tom Brady. He's married to a super model. I don't think it's realistic at all that something would have leaked from his phone even if it was just rumors of texts he had on there. The guy who started this investigation was Mike Kensil who walked up to the Pats equipment guys at halftime and told them "We weighed the balls, you are in big fuckin trouble." I don't think Brady really thinks that anyone in that NFL Front Office has his back.
 
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Any texts or emails he sent to the equipment guys were in the report, since they had access to the equipment managers' phones. Since those two were the only two guys besides Brady who were in the report, it is reasonable to assume they would have wanted Brady's phone to look for texts he sent/received from Belichick or other coaches and players (although let the record show that the report included texts between an equipment guy and his fiancee, so it's tough to tell exactly what other texts they would have asked to see...which then opens up more potential crap for Brady.....what if he lets them see texts between Edelman but not his texts to Gronk....suddenly that's something else that will make him look guilty).

Maybe he shit-talks Lafell in texts to Edelman. Maybe he and Belichick have a text jokes about Peyton. Maybe he buys coke from Gronk. He's Tom Brady. He's married to a super model. I don't think it's realistic at all that something would have leaked from his phone even if it was just rumors of texts he had on there. The guy who started this investigation was Mike Kensil who walked up to the Pats equipment guys at halftime and told them "We weighed the balls, you are in big fuckin trouble." I don't think Brady really thinks that anyone in that NFL Front Office has his back.


Or maybe he has texts to others that would add additional proof of his knowledge. This is as much about 1) Not cooperating fully and 2) Having run afoul of the NFL law before, which is why this punishment is more severe then Pats fans think it should be.
 
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Oh come on! They said he didn't have to turn over his entire phone! They asked for specific information and he REFUSED to provide. "But there are leaks" is a bullshit defense to not let them even look at specific texts between specific numbers on your phone while you keep it in your possession.

Even in a court of law, the 5th Amendment doesn't allow someone to refuse to turn over evidence. Should Aaron Hernandez not have to turn over his home security videos? Of course not. At no time in the history of ever has someone used the defense of "well, the incriminating evidence is in my possession, so I'm just not going to let you have it." Give me a break.

It's Brady's prerogative to be dishonest and not incriminate himself, and clearly he's chosen to do that. But to attempt subterfuge of an investigation and then try to reserve the right to call the findings/punishment "unfair" when you refused to full cooperate is beyond laughable.

And a final general note... if you don't believe Brady has been lying, you're intentionally burying your head in the sand. He and the Pats were uncooperative and dishonest throughout the process.

I don't think many people believe the Pats/Brady are completely innocent. The pertinent question is whether the punishment fits the crime. In my opinion, this is just another instance that proves the NFL commissioner's office is incompetent and that Goodell is just making this shit up as he goes.
 

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I'm actually really surprised, you guys have been pretty fair over this ordeal. Aside from a couple obvious haters, I'm impressed with you all. I would expect nothing less from my fellow Domers!
 

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I don't think many people believe the Pats/Brady are completely innocent. The pertinent question is whether the punishment fits the crime. In my opinion, this is just another instance that proves the NFL commissioner's office is incompetent and that Goodell is just making this shit up as he goes.

Yeah, but I think there is really no alternative to making it up as he goes in this instance.
 

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I'm obviously biased in this, but what makes me the most annoyed is there isn't even any definitive proof that ANY rule was broken. None of the pre-game PSI measurements during the AFCCG were officially recorded. Conveniently Walt Anderson's memory is taken as gospel for everything except the one detail that would explain PSI discrepancies (which gauge was used). AND the Colts claim that they started to be suspicious that the Pats were underinflating footballs during a game in Indy earlier in the season. That seems pretty odd considering the Pats ballboys wouldn't be there to deflate them.

If there was definite cheating occurring (still no actual proof of that) and if Brady was definitely involved (no one knows this either) then sure, suspend him. But as it stands he is being suspended for four games for maybe being aware of a crime that may have happened.

Doesn't matter at this point. No matter what happens Brady's legacy and reputation have just been shredded over probably the dumbest controversy in NFL history.
 

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Yeah, but I think there is really no alternative to making it up as he goes in this instance.

Sure, but if anything, Goodell has shown a complete inability to remove himself from the media shitstorm that follows each incident and fairly assess each individual punishment.

Ray Rice was initially slapped on the wrist when the video wasn't yet public. ESPN wasn't covering the story heavily and Goodell was lenient with Rice because there was no public outcry for a punishment to match the heinousness of the crime.

In contrast, this story was made for TV from the beginning. Golden Boy Tom Brady tampering with the game balls before the playoffs? That is ESPN gold and makes for entertaining First Take rants. Goodell sees the coverage and completely overreacts to an otherwise inconsequential offense.

TLDR, Goodell is incompetent.
 

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I remember the Titans were complaining about them warming up the footballs do Vinatieri could kick the game winning field goal in one of those playoff games. I also remember Del Rio staying that their headset transitions or whatever would go static at critical times in one of their playoff games. How many games have the Patriots barely won in the playoffs over the years? I can't remember but I know it's a few.
 

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Sure, but if anything, Goodell has shown a complete inability to remove himself from the media shitstorm that follows each incident and fairly assess each individual punishment.

Ray Rice was initially slapped on the wrist when the video wasn't yet public. ESPN wasn't covering the story heavily and Goodell was lenient with Rice because there was no public outcry for a punishment to match the heinousness of the crime.

In contrast, this story was made for TV from the beginning. Golden Boy Tom Brady tampering with the game balls before the playoffs? That is ESPN gold and makes for entertaining First Take rants. Goodell sees the coverage and completely overreacts to an otherwise inconsequential offense.

TLDR, Goodell is incompetent.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Schefter on Sportscenter just said he got a text from a source today: "Brady's (legal) team is unreal. My prediction..he won't miss a game"</p>— Michael Dyer (@Mike_Dyer13) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mike_Dyer13/status/598249130230710273">May 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">i just saw “tom brady” and “jeff kessler” in the same sentence. g’luck, rog.</p>— Bomani Jones (@bomani_jones) <a href="https://twitter.com/bomani_jones/status/598246550024904705">May 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Brady's main lawyer will be Jeffrey Kessler who recently handled (and won) the Vilma, Rice, and AP appeals recently and who has also done other cases in the past:

Why should the NFL, which also fined the Patriots $1 million and docked the team two draft picks, be concerned?

Kessler is arguably the most successful lawyer in history representing clients who take on established sports leagues. Namely:

In Brady v. NFL, he successfully represented a class of NFL players in an antitrust action which eventually led to the end of the 2011 NFL lockout.

In Belichick v. NFL, et al., he represented Belichick in litigation over changing teams.

In NFLPA v. NFL, he represented NFLPA in a successful challenge to provisions of NFL TV Contracts used to fund the NFL 2011 Lockout.

In McNeil, et al. v. NFL, et al., he won jury verdict for NFL players striking down free agency restrictions under the antitrust laws, eventually leading to the Reggie White class action. That case paved the way for the negotiation of free agency and the salary cap system in the NFL.

In North American Soccer League, et al. v. NFL, he successfully represented North American Soccer League in antitrust case striking down NFL ownership rules.

Most recently, he represented Adrian Peterson and forced the league to reinstate the running back. Safe to say, the NFL didn’t envision this when they started asking about PSIs of footballs in January.

It Is What It Is » Report: Tom Brady hires NFL nemesis Jeffrey Kessler to fight his suspension
 

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I'm actually really surprised, you guys have been pretty fair over this ordeal. Aside from a couple obvious haters, I'm impressed with you all. I would expect nothing less from my fellow Domers!

That's because Pats fans already have a cross to bare. lol
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Schefter on Sportscenter just said he got a text from a source today: "Brady's (legal) team is unreal. My prediction..he won't miss a game"</p>— Michael Dyer (@Mike_Dyer13) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mike_Dyer13/status/598249130230710273">May 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">i just saw “tom brady” and “jeff kessler” in the same sentence. g’luck, rog.</p>— Bomani Jones (@bomani_jones) <a href="https://twitter.com/bomani_jones/status/598246550024904705">May 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Brady's main lawyer will be Jeffrey Kessler who recently handled (and won) the Vilma, Rice, and AP appeals recently and who has also done other cases in the past:



It Is What It Is » Report: Tom Brady hires NFL nemesis Jeffrey Kessler to fight his suspension


Is there a good reason any of the above should matter? Last time I checked, this wasn't a criminal case, so if Godell don't give a f***, you can have all the high powered lawyers you want and it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
 

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Is there a good reason any of the above should matter? Last time I checked, this wasn't a criminal case, so if Godell don't give a f***, you can have all the high powered lawyers you want and it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

True. Although this Kessler guy was able to get the Rice and AP suspensions dropped as he was able to get their cases heard by a neutral (non-NFL) judge. From what I've read, people seem to think there will be enough written in the report where Kessler will be able to force Goodell to pass the decision along to someone else. There's also the threat of a full-on lawsuit not only by Brady but also by the NFL if Goodell fails to hand the decision over to someone else.

SI has a great article written by a lawyer who handles these types of stories. Shows all of the options that Brady and Pats have (and weighs the pros and cons).

Deflategate: What are Brady's, Patriots' options for fighting back? - NFL - SI.com

As another illustration of possible flaws in the Wells Report, consider allegations by Brady’s agent, Donald Yee. Yee contends the Report excludes most of Brady’s statements to Wells. If this proves true—and watch for Yee to publish his notes during an appeal—Brady can more credibly portray the Report as suffering from what’s sometimes called “confirmation bias”: amplifying information that supports a preconceived conclusion and dismissing or discounting information that rebuts the conclusion.

^I'm waiting to see how this plays out personally. Brady's agent, Yee, has said he has the full day's worth of notes from when Wells questioned Brady. Wells only quoted Brady twice in the 243-page report, so I think Brady's team would have a pretty good argument here. Wells essentially dared Yee to release his notes yesterday, so who knows what the deal is.
 
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