Current NFLers in the HOF

[irishroo]

Also Demarcus Ware isn't a better pass rusher than Jared Allen, who isn't on your list.

Allen is on the list as a maybe. I agree he's a better pass rusher than Ware, but as a few people have already said, pure pass rushers are not looked on favorably by the Hall. Kevin Greene is one of the top 3 sack artists of all time and he may never get in. Ware is much more versatile and will get more love from voters because of it

 

[irishroo]

Also, maybe I should clarify what I mean when I say "lock." For an active non-QB to be a lock in my mind, the guy has to be an almost certain first ballot type guy, a guy you'll talk about as among the best ever at his position.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Good luck with keeping a two time Super Bowl MVP (not just winning QB) out of the hall of fame. Especially one with the last name Manning.

You may not think he deserves it, but as long as this is something that is subjectively voted on, then don't hold your breath for them to leave Ei hanging.

If people are still arguing whether Jim Plunkett (2 SBs, 1 MVP) deserves to be in, IMO Manning is a lock. To a far lesser extent, Phil Simms even gets some love for the HOF. Eli is in.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I think Terrell Suggs belongs in the 'Maybe' category. 6 Pro Bowls, 1 Super Bowl, 1 Defensive POY, 94.5 sacks and approaching 500 career solo tackles through 11 seasons.

 

[gkIrish]

Woodson & Bailey are locks. Wayne and Peppers are pretty close to locks. I doubt Wilfork makes the HOF unless he has 2-3 injury-free above average seasons. Steve Smith has a chance, as do Gates & Witten.

 

[gkIrish]

Eli Manning is a lock unless he does nothing positive the rest of his career. I think Suggs has a great chance too. Vinatieri is a lock.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

You think "average" for a girl is 7 too? You throw "lock" around way too easily man. There is absolutely no way Freeney, Wilfork, or Hutchinson are locks. Hutchinson has the best shot of those 3 and he's probably a 50/50 shot.

If Michael Strahan made it to the hof, then Dwight Freeney will make it.

 

[irishog77]

I don't know Sherm, Freeney hasn't played in NYC and been a media darling throughout his playing days and probably won't be immediately after he retires like Strahan was.

Truthfully, I always felt Strahan was a borderline HoFer, certainly not a 1st or 2nd ballot guy.


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[Sherm Sticky]

I don't know Sherm, Freeney hasn't played in NYC and been a media darling throughout his playing days and probably won't be immediately after he retires like Strahan was.

Truthfully, I always felt Strahan was a borderline HoFer, certainly not a 1st or 2nd ballot guy.


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Yes agree i thought Strahan was borderline also, but he got in on his second year.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Sacks are a skewed stat anyways since they didn't become an official stat until like 1982.

Mark Gastineau had over 100 sacks in only 10 seasons, but will never sniff the HOF because he doesn't get credit for a chunk of those.

It's a shame older players have gotten undersold because of the perceived lack of sacks, and younger players are overvalued because of gaudy sack totals.

 

[irishroo]

If Michael Strahan made it to the hof, then Dwight Freeney will make it.

They do have remarkably similar resumes so you may be right, but Strahan is 5th all time in sacks while Freeney is 22nd, and Strahan was much better against the run than Freeney, and Strahan wasn't even a first ballot induction. Freeney could get in, but no way is he a lock at this point.

 

[woolybug25]

They do have remarkably similar resumes so you may be right, but Strahan is 5th all time in sacks while Freeney is 22nd, and Strahan was much better against the run than Freeney, and Strahan wasn't even a first ballot induction. Freeney could get in, but no way is he a lock at this point.

Dont forget that Strahan played his entire career in a premier market.

That shouldn't matter.... but it does...

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Team affiliation has a huge impact. Look at the Steelers from the 70s. If you served Bradshaw water during a timeout, you are in the HOF.

 

[irishroo]

Updated the original list slightly

 

[Sherm Sticky]

If Justin Smith didn't suck when he was with the Bengals and produced like he is now, I would put him as maybe.

 

[irishroo]

Updated the OP a bit

 

[irishog77]

Aldon Smith, Novarro Bowman, Julio Jones, Luke Kuechly, Robert Quinn. Possible young(ish) guys that have the potential to rack up stats/accolades.


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[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

I would put Antonio Brown in the talent is there not sure yet. If Michael Irvin is in the Hall of Fame with off field issues then Ben will be in the Hall of Fame eventually.

 

[GoldenDomer]

I would bump Luck up a level. Dude is awesome.

 

[Wild Bill]

Dez Bryant is talented enough to make it.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Reggie Wayne should be a lock.

Literally heard AL Michaels and Chris Collinsworth this year talk about how he 'has a shot".

Has a shot?

He should be first ballet. If not, certainly a lock at some point.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Jamaal charles anyone??

 

[dshans]

He should be first ballet. If not, certainly a lock at some point.

In the spirit of the season would that be The Nutcracker???

 

[irishroo]

Dez Bryant is talented enough to make it.

Yep, just totally forgot about him when making the list. Added him to the OP

 

[irishroo]

Jamaal charles anyone??

He's a really good RB but I think, as a general rule, RBs are going to have a tough time making the Hall going forward because of how the position has changed. Voters are naturally going to compare current/future RBs to the greats of the past (Brown, Payton, Dickerson, etc.), but the game is so different now that it's nearly impossible to stack up with any of those guys statistically. AD may be an exception just because he's such a freak runner, but I think RBs will face an uphill battle.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

He's a really good RB but I think, as a general rule, RBs are going to have a tough time making the Hall going forward because of how the position has changed. Voters are naturally going to compare current/future RBs to the greats of the past (Brown, Payton, Dickerson, etc.), but the game is so different now that it's nearly impossible to stack up with any of those guys statistically. AD may be an exception just because he's such a freak runner, but I think RBs will face an uphill battle.

AD will, and Charles will IMO with him being an absurd portion of that offense's production and high YPC for years. I can't imagine him not getting in when he has the all time record for YPC. It helps that he seems to be a likeable guy, which is the only thing that pushed one of my all time favorites Curtis Martin into the hall.

 

[irishroo]

So I had Patrick Willis in the "talent is there but don't know yet" category, and he just retired. What do you guys think about his Hall chances? He's been the best ILB in the NFL and the leader of one of the league's best defenses for most of the last decade, 7x Pro Bowler, but he only played 8 seasons (really only 7.5 after missing much of 2014 with an injury). Is 7 phenomenal years and nothing else enough to get him in the Hall?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I love Patrick. But, I don't think he gets into the Hall. Talent wise is he a hall of famer? Yes. But, I would have liked to have seen 5 more high productive years from him.

 

[woolybug25]

I love Patrick. But, I don't think he gets into the Hall. Talent wise is he a hall of famer? Yes. But, I would have liked to have seen 5 more high productive years from him.

I disagree. Patrick Willis put up HoF numbers and shouldn't be punished because he didn't hang around the league long enough. Here is an example.

Derrick Thomas - Hall of Famer
Tackles: 642
Sacks: 126.5
Int: 1
Pro Bowls: 9
Seasons: 11

Patrick Willis
Tackles: 950
Sacks: 20.5
Int: 8
Pro Bowls: 7
Seasons: 8

Now, i'm in no way trying to imply that Willis was as good as Derrick Thomas. But I am using Thomas because he is a well respected HoF'er. Willis would never be able to reach Thomas' sack total, but has already eclipsed him in tackles and interceptions. Why should Willis be punished because he didn't stick around for a few more mediocre years in order to to get in? This is a guy that is 50 tackles short of 1,000 tackles! I could see him not being a first ballot guy, but he'll get in.

 

[kmoose]

Team affiliation has a huge impact. Look at the Steelers from the 70s. If you served Bradshaw water during a timeout, you are in the HOF.

Try telling Donnie Shell and Mike Wagner that.