'15 TX WR Jalen Guyton (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[NDPhilly]

I think that we forget that this kid had offers from Ohio State, Oklahoma, Clemson, Baylor, ASU, Texas A&M, Stanford, and Ole Miss

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

How does the #1 WR (70 rec. - 1560 yds - 16 TD's) on the #2 team in the country, playing against a great Texas big school schedule only rate a 3 star? Film don't lie.

I don't care about ratings and where ND finishes as a team. In fact, if the Irish could land 20 "Jalen Guyton 3 star level" players every year... I'd be happy NEVER signing a 4 or 5 star player again.

Him and CJ Sanders are going to terrorize people when it's their turn to get on the field.

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See: Cam McDaniel. He put up huge numbers and was the MVP of the hardest division in Texas football (if my memory serves me) and was only a 3 star. Still had a very productive college career, but we know he has limitations at the next level.

Guyton looks very polished and played well against tough competition. I think he'll be a very productive player for ND. That doesn't mean he can't ranked only as a 3 star at this point.

 

[Johannes]

Behind the Scenes: Jalen Guyton – Part I

If you haven't already read it, Coach D at ISD posted a fantastic article about Jalen Guyton yesterday. It's the first of a two part series on Guyton's background and recruitment to Notre Dame. This first part focuses on his mother's perspective, and there will be a second focusing on his father's.

As the spectacle of NSD approaches, it's a refreshing look at an ND kid who shuns the limelight and instead embraces a humbler path to excellence.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

See: Cam McDaniel. He put up huge numbers and was the MVP of the hardest division in Texas football (if my memory serves me) and was only a 3 star. Still had a very productive college career, but we know he has limitations at the next level.

Guyton looks very polished and played well against tough competition. I think he'll be a very productive player for ND. That doesn't mean he can't ranked only as a 3 star at this point.

Living in Frisco I've seen Guyton play live numerous times, and this kid being a 3 star is a travesty. He's not the BEST athlete, but he's plenty athletic, he has a great build, long arms, is polished and catches the ball well. He runs good routes, isn't afraid to go over the middle, catches the ball in traffic and appears to have very big hands. He actually reminds me a little bit of Kasen Williams...hopefully he ends up a bit more productive over a 4 year span with good quarterbacking.

 

[BeauBenken]

Behind the Scenes: Jalen Guyton – Part I

If you haven't already read it, Coach D at ISD posted a fantastic article about Jalen Guyton yesterday. It's the first of a two part series on Guyton's background and recruitment to Notre Dame. This first part focuses on his mother's perspective, and there will be a second focusing on his father's.

As the spectacle of NSD approaches, it's a refreshing look at an ND kid who shuns the limelight and instead embraces a humbler path to excellence.

Good read. I love hearing from parents and just learning about what type of people they are. It usually helps tell what kind of kid we are getting.

Didn't realize Guyton was a year younger than most kids in his grade either.

 

[BobbyMac]

From Barton Simmons:


Irish Commits Move Up In 247Sports Composite Update

So what largely separates a high 3 stars from 4's and 4's from 5 stars is their ceiling, not their measurables or their performance against opponents. We're not just talking ceiling in how it relates to college but the pros. I just saw half of 5 stars going back to 2002 went undrafted. So Simmons and his ilk are basically spin doctors selling there pseudo science as there are hard numbers to prove their industry is a sham. It exists only to hype college football and provide clicks for the media.

I'm fine with that. But lets just call it what it is.

As per Mr. Guyton, I'm thrilled to have a 3 star, "system receiver" like him in South Bend.

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[CanadalovesND]

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[Bubbles]

Kid has some moves too.....love me some YAC.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

So what largely separates a high 3 stars from 4's and 4's from 5 stars is their ceiling, not their measurables or their performance against opponents. We're not just talking ceiling in how it relates to college but the pros. I just saw half of 5 stars going back to 2002 went undrafted. So Simmons and his ilk are basically spin doctors selling there pseudo science as there are hard numbers to prove their industry is a sham. It exists only to hype college football and provide clicks for the media.

I'm fine with that. But lets just call it what it is.

As per Mr. Guyton, I'm thrilled to have a 3 star, "system receiver" like him in South Bend.

We've been over this on this site many times. The fact that 50% of 5-star guys do end up getting drafted shows that the ratings mean a lot. After all, using the same concept, how many NFL 1st-round picks turn out to be busts? Certainly near half, if not more. But the odds of getting a good player in the 1st round is certainly higher than any other round, just like a 5* player is much more likely to be a big contributor at college level than high-3's.

Now, I totally disagree with Simmons about Will Fuller's NFL prospects. How can you look at a guy like that and think that he won't get drafted somewhere and make a roster, when the NFL is a receiver-dominated league (the stars last night were Chris Matthews and Julian Edelman).

"Haven't seen enough film..." from so-called experts just means, "I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about."

 

[zelezo vlk]

I really really like this kid. So damn smooth. Plus I have a soft spot for early commits.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Texas WR Jalen Guyton has faxed his LOI to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ShamrockSoldiers15?src=hash">#ShamrockSoldiers15</a></p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/562960092874948608">February 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[BleedBlueGold]

I for one am ecstatic that ND held on to Guyton and Sanders almost the entire cycle. I think both of those guys will be game changers when their time comes.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Had to pull out all stops to get my man from Texas, including a boat, jet skis and floaties! Haha! Welcome, J! <a href="http://t.co/3f0UndoteC">pic.twitter.com/3f0UndoteC</a></p>— Brian Kelly (@CoachBrianKelly) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBrianKelly/status/562965709765230592">February 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Henges24]

Can't believe Kelly just admitted to buying him all those things

 

[Johannes]

Congrats Jalen on making your dream coming true!

Here's part two of the ISD series on his background and recruitment, this one focusing on his father's perspective:

Behind the Scenes: Jalen Guyton – Part II

Both parts are worth a read. Great family and a total ND kid! Can't wait to root for him on Saturdays.

 

[Cackalacky]

 

[Me2SouthBend]

From Keith

Faxes in: Jalen Guyton | Inside the Irish

 

[Sherm Sticky]

My sleeper in the class.

 

[ulukinatme]

 

[china423]

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[NDWorld247]

Played in yesterday's International Bowl (USA vs. Canada). The USA won 35-0 and Guyton scored the team's 3rd TD on a 5-yd slant in the 2nd quarter. He also caught a 33-yd pass to set up the TD. Not sure if he had any other catches (I haven't watched yet) but the game is available on WatchESPN if anyone is interested: Watch United States vs. Canada (Under 19 (12th Grade)) Live Online at WatchESPN

Prentice McKinney also played in the game and had two second half INTs including an 80-yard pick 6 to end the 3rd quarter. Five-star Kyler Murray (Guyton's teammate) was supposed to play in the game but backed out leading up to the event citing baseball commitments.

 

[dublinirish]

McKinney ended up getting MVP

 

[IrishGlory]

McKinney ended up getting MVP

McKinney is my dude for hosing UNC on signing day. That's all.

 

[ThePiombino]

McKinney ended up getting MVP

Ugh, rub it in why don't you!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Back to Jalen. Not that I spend much time on this, but I have heard three really respected sources talk about how young Jalen is in his class. Sharing different hypothesis, their comments come together like this :

Many kids, particularly skilled position players have a growth spurt, an increase in physical and mental maturity which separates their game between their Junior and Senior years. They all expect him to have one of these before his Freshman year at ND. This from a kid that tore up Texas 6A ball!

Guyton is incredibly underrated as an athlete, and is much faster than his reputation suggests. The article explains this pretty well. The heads need a reason why a guy with pinball numbers in the Texas big-leagues is only a 3*.

Most think he will grow. Six-foot, one-eighty, is one thing. But 6'2", 210 to 220 receiver is another!

P.S. I just watched the remix tape above. Yeah, right! He's not fast enough!

 

[drake29]

I don't know why so many people here cling to the hope that a recruit will grow in height when he steps on campus. Most adolescent males stop growing in height at age 16. Unless the kid is ridiculously young for his class it's always best to subtract 1 to 2 inches off his listed height.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I don't know why so many people here cling to the hope that a recruit will grow in height when he steps on campus. Most adolescent males stop growing in height at age 16. Unless the kid is ridiculously young for his class it's always best to subtract 1 to 2 inches off his listed height.

Really? I thought that was of females. And I was under the impression that 18 was normal for males. My two oldest boys continued to grow till they were 25; got that from their maternal grandfather. I didn't believe him till I saw it with my kids.

Height isn't the big thing about growth. Brollic is! There is a physical maturity that comes after 18 which has a lot to do with a kids ceiling. I suspect that is why some five stars never develop, and some three stars (see Tyler Eifert) explode through the roof.

I personally don't care about height, per se. But if you take this kind of receiver, and add an inch or two, so you can add twenty or thirty pounds, that is a good thing!

 

[GowerND11]

Really? I thought that was of females. And I was under the impression that 18 was normal for males. My two oldest boys continued to grow till they were 25; got that from their maternal grandfather. I didn't believe him till I saw it with my kids.

Height isn't the big thing about growth. Brollic is! There is a physical maturity that comes after 18 which has a lot to do with a kids ceiling. I suspect that is why some five stars never develop, and some three stars (see Tyler Eifert) explode through the roof.

I personally don't care about height, per se. But if you take this kind of receiver, and add an inch or two, so you can add twenty or thirty pounds, that is a good thing!

I grew another inch my freshman year of college. I needed new jeans when I got home for Christmas break, and not because of the freshman 15!

Usually it is females that stop before 18, hence why you see those awkward junior high photos of all the girls towering over the boys. It balances out eventually because we keep growing longer.

Two extreme examples are Scottie Pippen and The Admiral David Robinson.

 

[drake29]

And I stopped growing in height at age 15 (imagine my disappointment). Point being, MOST kids don't grow in height much at all once they hit 17. That's not to say that it can't happen, I just see it thrown out there for what seems like every single player we offer early. The fact is, almost ever recruit that has his own page adds 1 to 2 inches height on his profile. Best case scenario is they keep growing into their listed height on their recruiting page.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I don't know why so many people here cling to the hope that a recruit will grow in height when he steps on campus. Most adolescent males stop growing in height at age 16. Unless the kid is ridiculously young for his class it's always best to subtract 1 to 2 inches off his listed height.

Height is exaggerated in some cases, but usually for guys that are really tall to begin with. Tall WR's or DE/LB's are usually those culprits. Jalen isn't a tall WR, he's a genuine 6'0-6'1 guy.