'11 FL S Wayne Lyons (Stanford Verbal)

[PANDFAN]

seems similar to all the AAU coaches getting assistants positions in College BBall.

or certain high school coaches getting college gig when there are a few stars on team...ie booker t washington, miramar etc

 

[woolybug25]

seems similar to all the AAU coaches getting assistants positions in College BBall.

How is hiring someone into a coaching position, who has a resume of coaching, the same as hiring some former teacher as a Director of Player Development?

Also, this also seems to skirt the rules about how much football staff a team can have.

 

[NDdomer2]

How is hiring someone into a coaching position, who has a resume of coaching, the same as hiring some former teacher as a Director of Player Development?

Also, this also seems to skirt the rules about how much football staff a team can have.

you really think these AAU coaches are qualified to be college assistants? They are just as qualified as this mom is for director of player personnel.

AAU bball takes NO coaching ability. They maybe run a couple basic sets for OB and last second shots but its just get the best athletes in the area and let them play all summer.

They are only getting offered a position to help land the kid, EXACTLY the same as this mother. I see no difference.

 

[woolybug25]

you really think these AAU coaches are qualified to be college assistants? They are just as qualified as this mom is for director of player personnel.

AAU bball takes NO coaching ability. They maybe run a couple basic sets for OB and last second shots but its just get the best athletes in the area and let them play all summer.

They are only getting offered a position to help land the kid, EXACTLY the same as this mother. I see no difference.

It's hiring a coach for a coaching position.

Not hiring a former teacher as a Director of Player Development.

 

[NDdomer2]

It's hiring a coach for a coaching position.

Not hiring a former teacher as a Director of Player Development.

a "coach". Usually an uncle of one of the kids. But however you want to see it.

 

[Rhode Irish]

How is this fundamentally different than USC buying Reggie Bush's parents a house? They are compensating her in exchange for her kids commitment.

It isn't. It is pretty much exactly the same. I want to hear one Michigan fan tell me that Michigan does things the right way so I can smash that delusion for them quickly.

 

[woolybug25]

a "coach". Usually an uncle of one of the kids. But however you want to see it.

Maybe in your neck of the woods. My nephew's AAU coach played college basketball and was on Bethel's coaching staff, before taking over the AAU team.

 

[Corry]

What I don't get is why ole Johnny would screw over David Shaw like this. I assumed they were friends. Someone is off the Christmas card list.

 

[woolybug25]

What I don't get is why ole Johnny would screw over David Shaw like this. I assumed they were friends. Someone is off the Christmas card list.

I don't Harbaugh is friends with anyone. The guy is a class A a-hole.

 

[NDdomer2]

Maybe in your neck of the woods. My nephew's AAU coach played college basketball and was on Bethel's coaching staff, before taking over the AAU team.

Congrats to your newphew. Maybe his AAU coach will get a big time assitant job after his AAU team has a top 100 player. But if hes a legit coach and was one time in college bball, why is he now coaching for free?

It isnt just my neck of the woods (Indiana AAU is some of the best in the country) it is all over.

Insurance agent Bob runs an aau team throughout the summer and played small college ball during his prime. Guess hes a legit coach.

Teacher who was one time "Team Mom" is just as qualified for her position as some of these "Coaches" of aau teams. I really dont see a difference. Hires made to gain said athlete. NCAA isnt going to do shit.

 

[Irish#1]

you really think these AAU coaches are qualified to be college assistants? They are just as qualified as this mom is for director of player personnel.

AAU bball takes NO coaching ability. They maybe run a couple basic sets for OB and last second shots but its just get the best athletes in the area and let them play all summer.

They are only getting offered a position to help land the kid, EXACTLY the same as this mother. I see no difference.

I used to think that and there is still some truth to your statement, but it doesn't apply to everyone. I know a couple of guys that coach AAU girls teams and they take it seriously. They hold regular practices, go through position drills, teach defense, setting picks, etc. They also work individually with each girl to improve their weaknesses.

But I agree with Wooly. This doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[NDdomer2]

I used to think that and there is still some truth to your statement, but it doesn't apply to everyone. I know a couple of guys that coach AAU girls teams and they take it seriously. They hold regular practices, go through position drills, teach defense, setting picks, etc. They also work individually with each girl to improve their weaknesses.

But I agree with Wooly. This doesn't pass the smell test.

Yes, let me follow up with not every AAU coach or program is awful, and even the ones who start with an Uncle, end up being big time programs. See Boo Williams.

And absolutely it doesnt pass the smell test, but does anything SEC related? They still are rolling along unpunished.

IMO if the NCAA is going to start looking into fishy stuff, this kids mom getting hired is bottom of the list.

 

[IrishLax]

This has always been a loophole, and it's basically impossible to close. As long as they actually show up to a real job and pay taxes it breaks no rules.

 

[Irish#1]

The key here is to hire these people in positions that don't count against the number of assistants. Then they take the load off of the assistants so they can concentrate on coaching and recruiting.

 

[irish4ever]

lol so shes mocking her own position?

It's like the typical scUM fan admitting that they are indeed an inbred. Muck fichigan FOREVER!

 

[johnnycando]

I don't like Michigan,

But it's a brilliant move by Harbaugh.

Good work by his staff.

This isn't classless. This is reality; this is how the world works.

Husband and wife tandems get jobs all the time at companies because one candidate has so much to offer.

 

[PANDFAN]

I don't like Michigan,

But it's a brilliant move by Harbaugh.

Good work by his staff.

This isn't classless. This is reality; this is how the world works.

Husband and wife tandems get jobs all the time at companies because one candidate has so much to offer.

or offering a brother or teammate ...

 

[jspags10pg]

I'm not saying the cases are remotely the same but what was our situation when we hired K.C. McDermott's brother during K.C.'s recruitment. I honestly don't remember the specifics and am just curious. All I remember is we hired him away from a similar position from a smaller school (maybe somewhere in Colorado?). And is he still a member of our staff?

 

[woolybug25]

I don't like Michigan,

But it's a brilliant move by Harbaugh.

Good work by his staff.

This isn't classless. This is reality; this is how the world works.

Husband and wife tandems get jobs all the time at companies because one candidate has so much to offer.

Except its not "how the world works". If this was an accepted practice, then pretty much every inner city kid would demand that their parents get jobs at the university as "consultants", "player development" and/or "life coaches". Every school would be doing it.

Hell... maybe that's where we're at? Maybe every school should just start making up fake jobs for all of the parents of the athletes. Hell, a "consulting" gig doesn't even require any prerequisites or them physically living near the campus. Just attach one year contracts to every recruit's LOI for their parent's 1yr/$100k consulting gig.

 

[johnnycando]

Except its not "how the world works". If this was an accepted practice, then pretty much every inner city kid would demand that their parents get jobs at the university as "consultants", "player development" and/or "life coaches". Every school would be doing it.

Hell... maybe that's where we're at? Maybe every school should just start making up fake jobs for all of the parents of the athletes. Hell, a "consulting" gig doesn't even require any prerequisites or them physically living near the campus. Just attach one year contracts to every recruit's LOI for their parent's 1yr/$100k consulting gig.

If you can afford to do it, and the kid is willing to go to college to wherever because of their parents, then yessir.

Sorry.

Corruption: yes. Perfectly legal: absolutely.

I don't even have ethical issues with it. I get it. The perks of doing it. Welcome to the year of our lord 2015.

Prolly been happening lots of other places anyways.

Coaches and sons already do it.

 

[johnnycando]

or offering a brother or teammate ...

Exactly. Agreed.

 

[jspags10pg]

I'm not saying the cases are remotely the same but what was our situation when we hired K.C. McDermott's brother during K.C.'s recruitment. I honestly don't remember the specifics and am just curious. All I remember is we hired him away from a similar position from a smaller school (maybe somewhere in Colorado?). And is he still a member of our staff?

Nevermind. Just googled it and Tyler Mcdermott is still on staff after we hired him away from Colorado State. Working as a GA with the offensive line. Hired him after we lost our own offensive GA to coach WR's at Grand Valley State.

 

[woolybug25]

If you can afford to do it, and the kid is willing to go to college to wherever because of their parents, then yessir.

Sorry.

Corruption: yes. Perfectly legal: absolutely.

I don't even have ethical issues with it. I get it. The perks of doing it. Welcome to the year of our lord 2015.

Prolly been happening lots of other places anyways.

Coaches and sons already do it.

C'mon, Cando. Are you really one of those "if you can get away with it, then it's ok" type people are you? Would you honestly be okay with Notre Dame participating in this type of behavior?

That's an SEC mindset.

 

[johnnycando]

C'mon, Cando. Are you really one of those "if you can get away with it, then it's ok" type people are you? Would you honestly be okay with Notre Dame participating in this type of behavior?

That's an SEC mindset.

I don't get how this is cheating to you?

How is this an SEC mindset?

We're going to pay athletes in the near future.

Should we brave this world absent of that benefit too, because we are ND?

I object. That's all. I still love you.

 

[woolybug25]

I don't get how this is cheating to you?

How is this an SEC mindset?

We're going to pay athletes in the near future.

Should we brave this world absent of that benefit too, because we are ND?

I object. That's all. I still love you.

It's cheating because paying for players is against NCAA rules. This is a backended way of skirting that rule and compensating the Lyons family for his transfer.

We don't pay athletes today. We are going to legalize marijuana one day, does that mean you can walk down your street burning a doobie?

The "everybody else is doing it" schtick is beneath you, Cando.

 

[yankeeND]

It's cheating because paying for players is against NCAA rules. This is a backended way of skirting that rule and compensating the Lyons family for his transfer.

We don't pay athletes today. We are going to legalize marijuana one day, does that mean you can walk down your street burning a doobie?

The "everybody else is doing it" schtick is beneath you, Cando.

That's actually a great analogy. Sure, it probably will be legal one day, but until then there are consequences to getting caught doing the deed.

 

[johnnycando]

I think if marijuana is legal, it'd be perfectly fine to walk down my street burning one.

Additionally, if it wasn't illegal and I wouldn't get fired for it, I'd go burn one and walk down the street in tribute.

I guess I just don't have a problem with this. The lady has a legit job. The kid was recruited by Harbaugh. And it makes a great fit and perfect sense.

But I might be the lone wolf on this one.

I do not think Cam Newton's dad is a parallel to Wayne Lyons mom. And I disagreed/actively disagree with that.

 

[woolybug25]

I think of marijuana is legal, it'd be perfectly fine to walk down my street burning one.

Additionally, if it wasn't illegal and I wouldn't get fired for it, I'd go burn one and walk down the street in tribute.

I think you missed the analogy, brother.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I'm not saying the cases are remotely the same but what was our situation when we hired K.C. McDermott's brother during K.C.'s recruitment. I honestly don't remember the specifics and am just curious. All I remember is we hired him away from a similar position from a smaller school (maybe somewhere in Colorado?). And is he still a member of our staff?

I'm with Wooly that this kind of crap is a gray area of cheating. But I was going to mention that we shouldn't be too hypocritical because of the example you already listed. Had KC came to ND, the same red flag would've been raised over ND and the reasons behind hiring his brother. So, while I agree that it's unethical, literally every school would do this if they could. Even the sometimes self-righteous Notre Dame staff.

 

[johnnycando]

I think you missed the analogy, brother.

No I didn't.

Someday it will be legal, but you can't walk down the street doing it now.

You missed my counter: there's nothing illegal about the Lyons deal now.

If I hired Ezekiel Elliot's mom, and I'm the coach at ND, I'd call the press myself and state I'm hopeful Elliot will consider transferring after his obligation to OSU is over. But in no way shape or form would I state this is a bait of him transferring. Lol. Even though it is, a spade is a spade is only a spade if it is a spade. Or something...? Lol.

It is gray. And you must exploit gray sometimes. I believe in pushing the bounds.

Greyshirting, I hate because it benefits us zero.

But it's legit. There's no rules behind it.

It is unethical. But that's life I suppose.

I don't see this as quite as unethical.