'11 FL S Wayne Lyons (Stanford Verbal)

[Irish Fam]

This is 100% shady, but not necessarily cheating.

Regardless, giving a recruit's parent a title in the staff directory to legally give them money for their son's talent is bullshit.

Where this differs from the McDermott situation is that Tyler was a grad assistant at a smaller program prior to him coming to ND. It was a sensible career transition.

Ms. Lyons going from school teacher in Florida to a player development position at one of the most prestigious schools in the country is not a reasonable career move. Had she been in a player development position at Central Florida the move would be much more acceptable.

I mean, she even publicly mocked the position.

 

[johnnycando]

To clarify on greyshirting: I don't believe in "cutting" a scholarship player. But if there's a kid that's willing to skip a scholly to play for your team, in hopes of earning a scholly due to a dismissal, or a medical hardship, then it only seems like the competitive drive of the athlete is worth the reward.

I'm not for pushing a kid out the door, I just think there's a satisfaction achieved when you have 100 players on your team, and 15 are hoping for next man in.

Almost like walk ons. Well essentially they are walk ons. Earning their scholly when the time comes. To play for your program.

There's years we haven't had 85 on the field ready to play. Hell almost every year.

And that's crazy.

(I realize I might get put on blast for this. But I'm good. And ready to defend my stance. I tried doing it upfront with this explanation.)

 

[phgreek]

How is this not a NCAA violation?

1) Kid says that he may be interested in transferring to Michigan
2) Decides he will stay at Stanford
3) Harbaugh offers his mother a job
4) Kid transfers

How is this fundamentally different than USC buying Reggie Bush's parents a house? They are compensating her in exchange for her kids commitment.

I really can't say other than Harbaugh probably asked the NCAA first, and THEY were dumb enough not to back up and see it for what it is...SMH.

 

[Luckylucci]

To clarify on greyshirting: I don't believe in "cutting" a scholarship player. But if there's a kid that's willing to skip a scholly to play for your team, in hopes of earning a scholly due to a dismissal, or a medical hardship, then it only seems like the competitive drive of the athlete is worth the reward.

I'm not for pushing a kid out the door, I just think there's a satisfaction achieved when you have 100 players on your team, and 15 are hoping for next man in.

Almost like walk ons. Well essentially they are walk ons. Earning their scholly when the time comes. To play for your program.

There's years we haven't had 85 on the field ready to play. Hell almost every year.

And that's crazy.

(I realize I might get put on blast for this. But I'm good. And ready to defend my stance. I tried doing it upfront with this explanation.)

The difference is in most cases those teams are not upfront about wanting the kid to greyshirt right off the bat. Usually it happens late in the process (ex. UL), where Nd is very upfront with PWO's. I get what your saying that greyshirting is similar to PWO its just a different name but its the way you go about it. The "SEC" type mentality to greyshirting is what I think is BS.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Congrats to your newphew. Maybe his AAU coach will get a big time assitant job after his AAU team has a top 100 player. But if hes a legit coach and was one time in college bball, why is he now coaching for free?

It isnt just my neck of the woods (Indiana AAU is some of the best in the country) it is all over.

Insurance agent Bob runs an aau team throughout the summer and played small college ball during his prime. Guess hes a legit coach.

Teacher who was one time "Team Mom" is just as qualified for her position as some of these "Coaches" of aau teams. I really dont see a difference. Hires made to gain said athlete. NCAA isnt going to do shit.

I completely disagree. Yes, many AAU coaches are scum, but they still are ON THE BASKETBALL COURT, they hold practices, and they coach during games. They are coaches (shitty or not) who recruit players to their teams, getting hired to be coaches recruiting players to their college. It's completely apples to apples as far as jobs go.

But a mom who is a teacher, getting hired to be the director of player development? Da phuck? The two jobs have NOTHING to do with each other.

Both practices are dirty, but Harbaugh's is dirrrrrrrry and absolutely ridiculous.

 

[NDdomer2]

I completely disagree. Yes, many AAU coaches are scum, but they still are ON THE BASKETBALL COURT, they hold practices, and they coach during games. They are coaches (shitty or not) who recruit players to their teams, getting hired to be coaches recruiting players to their college. It's completely apples to apples as far as jobs go.

But a mom who is a teacher, getting hired to be the director of player development? Da phuck? The two jobs have NOTHING to do with each other.

Both practices are dirty, but Harbaugh's is dirrrrrrrry and absolutely ridiculous.

I'm only comparing on the "bogus" level. The AAU "coach" is still the same coach the year before when said player was a junior. Why didn't he get the offer then? Because it benefited the university nothing at that point.

 

[ResLife Hero]

Lyons To Play For Michigan

Lyons, who has long been rumored to be a target of the Michigan coaching staff, will likely join the team after spring practice has concluded and will be available for fall camp and subsequently the season.

A former Top100 recruit who was actually at one time recruited by Jim Harbaugh's staff at Stanford, Lyons played in 13 games last season for the Cardinal, with 30 tackles and a forced fumble.