SEC West is the Biggest Fraud of All Time

IrishLax · Jan 2, 2015

Phyllis is unreal. First time I've ever actually listened to one of her calls. Literally sounds like a satire redneck from South Park or something.

GoldenDomer · Jan 2, 2015

IrishLax said:
Phyllis is unreal. First time I've ever actually listened to one of her calls. Literally sounds like a satire redneck from South Park or something.

What'd she have to say today?

wizards8507 · Jan 2, 2015

Is she the Cow-turd lady?

NDPhilly · Jan 2, 2015

IrishLax said:
Phyllis is unreal. First time I've ever actually listened to one of her calls. Literally sounds like a satire redneck from South Park or something.

Thought it was fake when I first heard her hahaha. Finebaum show today is great.

GoldenDomer · Jan 2, 2015

wizards8507 said:
Is she the Cow-turd lady?

Got it. Also went on an epic rant vs. Danny Kannell.

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gkIrish · Jan 2, 2015

Wait is this scripted?

I've never heard anything like this.

GoldenDomer · Jan 2, 2015

gkIrish said:
Wait is this scripted?

I've never heard anything like this.

Welcome to football in the south.

IrishLax · Jan 2, 2015

gkIrish said:
Wait is this scripted?

I've never heard anything like this.

Tammy? No. These are real people. And they have no idea how they appear to the rest of this country... such a bad look lol

gkIrish · Jan 2, 2015

GoldenDomer said:
Welcome to football in the south.

The whole Finebaum staring at me through the TV thing is creeping me out too. Dan Patrick >>>>>

gkIrish · Jan 2, 2015

IrishLax said:
Tammy? No. These are real people. And they have no idea how they appear to the rest of this country... such a bad look lol

Yea Tammy was what prompted my post. The fact that they have pictures of the callers tells me all I need to know.

I'm a pretty religious listener to WFAN here in NY (a couple shows are simulcast like this one) and while some of the callers are recognizable, it's nothing like this.

GoldenDomer · Jan 2, 2015

gkIrish said:
The whole Finebaum staring at me through the TV thing is creeping me out too. Dan Patrick >>>>>

I listen to Finebaum sometimes when I'm working but the show is like 25 hours long.

I'm a Mike and Mike guy.

Sherm Sticky · Jan 2, 2015

GoldenDomer said:
Got it. Also went on an epic rant vs. Danny Kannell.

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That sh*t is funny.

Rocket89 · Jan 2, 2015

wyvrn said:
Eh? Read much? Your statement is completely false, LOL.

I debated responding to you based on the fact you didn't read any of the stats I posted. Are you worth the time or not? Hmm..

Before I decide if I care, I request you read post #183 in this thread, read through the information I provided, then come back and respond.

Once you retract your false statement, we can talk about it. Otherwise, PUNT.

Oh, post #183? This one jam packed with so many stats...

Post #612 by Woneone discusses a three year stretch between 2007 and 2009.
NCAA Playoff Committee Rankings 2014 (Unranked)

I remember was a larger history of SEC play against OOC opponents posted this year, but I cannot find the thread. It may be reflected in my search abilities, which I don't tend to do much here.

I personally did a 10-year review of OOC schedules (including bowl results) for the Top 8 or 10 teams in the SEC this year to confirm the results. I didn't post the results (was done on a lark), but what I found was that outside of a year or two of dominant performances, the SEC's record against OOC foes was pretty average. The trends were that a few top teams were dominant (Auburn, LSU, or Alabama typically) in a given year, but beyond that the SEC was over-hyped. Also, the last few years has been more brutal to the SEC showing that the other conferences are slowly catching up to them in recruiting and on-field play. The SEC 'mystique' was based largely in history, but not in the last few years especially.

Here is a study by Harvard math on conference and program bias, which is illuminating.
Conference Bias in College Football | The Harvard College Sports Analysis Collective

First, it shows the SEC gets the most benefit from bias in the rankings. Second, it shows that premier programs (like ND and Alabama) also get ranking bias. This reflects the disgruntlement that fans outside of ND have for our program in years where we play in a big bowl and get plastered, which has some statistical evidence against our favor. This is true of most of the premier college football programs and shows what I expect is the normal human bias towards traditionally good power programs.

The thread quoted above also discussed the Sagarin 'computer' ratings and why they are flawed: they depend on rankings which are entirely a human creation in a college football world with no scheduling parity. In other words, those computer rankings that supported the BCS system are heavily flawed toward the same bias shown in the Harvard study.

But, as always, do your own research to confirm.

So to recap, a thesis consisting of "The trends were that a few top teams were dominant (Auburn, LSU, or Alabama typically) in a given year, but beyond that the SEC was over-hyped" backed up by zero statistical evidence. I've already done the work for you:

SEC Bias: Why the Southeastern Conference Earns More Hype than Other Leagues - One Foot Down

Now, in post #206 you did embed an image showing the SEC with a win percentage of .633 versus the Pac-12 being .537 against Power 5 competition. This is a HUGE difference. What did you have to say in the face of such a difference...

They did better than everyone else, but are not dominant as people make them out to be.

Now you've said both the SEC is over-hyped beyond the top teams and the conference as a whole isn't as dominant as people make them out to be.

As I said in my previous comment you are using highly subjective statements where you get to define over-hyped and dominant.

You think people are making the SEC out to be dominant, but not as dominant as they say. Who are these people? If the SEC is winning the most games in comparison to the other conferences what is dominant then? Do you see how this makes no sense whatsoever? You're arguing against something inexact and it gives you carte blanche to criticize the SEC because you can resort to replying to vague 'people who say things' without having to back any of it up.

That is, until you meet me. And I call you on the BS.

GoldenDomer · Jan 2, 2015

Sherm Sticky said:
That sh*t is funny.

You'll like this one. I love when guys come on Finebaum and dont know what to expect out of these morons.

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dshans · Jan 2, 2015

connor_in said:
only a snifter? you OK, D? or some sort of sick new year's resolution?

Have you seen my snifter?

Talkin' gallons, not ounces.

gkIrish · Jan 2, 2015

GoldenDomer said:
You'll like this one. I love when guys come on Finebaum and dont know what to expect out of these morons.

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The fact that this guy was allowed to accuse Tim Brando of smoking crack and then continue talking is ridiculous.

GoldenDomer · Jan 2, 2015

gkIrish said:
The fact that this guy was allowed to accuse Tim Brando of smoking crack and then continue talking is ridiculous.

It's basically a no rules WWE match every day on the phone lines.

gkIrish · Jan 2, 2015

GoldenDomer said:
It's basically a no rules WWE match every day on the phone lines.

That's so completely different than what I'm used to. I honestly can't stop watching out of pure shock.

wizards8507 · Jan 2, 2015

Yeah WEEI in Boston won't let you on the air for more than five seconds if you're gonna act a fool, but that's the entire purpose of Finebaum.

gkIrish · Jan 2, 2015

wizards8507 said:
Yeah WEEI in Boston won't let you on the air for more than five seconds if you're gonna act a fool, but that's the entire purpose of Finebaum.

I've called in a couple times on the Mike Francesca show and one time I was literally the first caller. Let me make a point for about 15 seconds and that was it. He agreed with me and moved on to the next guy. Occasionally someone will say something absurd and get into an argument with the host but they are absolutely never allowed to rant.

GoldenDomer · Jan 2, 2015

gkIrish said:
That's so completely different than what I'm used to. I honestly can't stop watching out of pure shock.

Lol it's amazing. Paul knows half the listeners are there for pure comedy, so why stop?

ickythump1225 · Jan 2, 2015

I wonder if Arkansas will continued to be touted as better than the Big 12/B1G/ACC champions for managing to go to 2-6 in conference and finish in last place in their division?

Bishop2b5 · Jan 2, 2015

ickythump1225 said:
I wonder if Arkansas will continued to be touted as better than the Big 12/B1G/ACC champions for managing to go to 2-6 in conference and finish in last place in their division?

Arkansas is different than most teams with their record. They were truly bad the first half of the season, but a genuinely good team the second half (as opposed to a team that was just mediocre all season long).

IrishJayhawk · Jan 2, 2015

wyvrn said:
Here is simple graphic showing overall the SEC doing well over the last 10 years.

SEC dominant over past decade against Power 5 conference competition

They did better than everyone else, but are not dominant as people make them out to be.

38 more wins and only 4 more losses (47 games over .500 compared to 13 games over .500) than the conference that has the second highest win percentage. That's a huge difference.

Cackalacky · Jan 2, 2015

gkIrish said:
Wait is this scripted?

I've never heard anything like this.

I get to listen to any number of these real life jack wagons all week during football season. Honestly, any of the callers to Finebaums show might as well be my coworker or a family member.

I don't listen to Finebaum because I get to talk to these people daily.

DonnieNarco · Jan 2, 2015

Hopefully now we won't see crappy teams like the Mississippi teams getting overranked because they beat other crappy teams like each other and Auburn.

ickythump1225 · Jan 2, 2015

Bishop2b5 said:
Arkansas is different than most teams with their record. They were truly bad the first half of the season, but a genuinely good team the second half (as opposed to a team that was just mediocre all season long).

Yeah but that narrative was propped up on the basis of the SECw being essentially the 9th NFL division. Now that particular narrative has been popped over the past 96 hours. It was tiring to hear how Arkansas would run roughshod over conference champions, OSU in particular.

irishtrain · Jan 3, 2015

Cackalacky said:
I get to listen to any number of these real life jack wagons all week during football season. Honestly, any of the callers to Finebaums show might as well be my coworker or a family member.

I don't listen to Finebaum because I get to talk to these people daily.

Man the excuses were flying today and they were many. Mostly that the sec is just plain tuckered out after such a demanding season. Coach Saban says they don't have to get a trophy to know they did good. My God if you want entertainment and laughs just tune in and get your chuckles on. Also noted that it was such a big game for every opponent when they get an opportunity to go up against an sec team that it makes their job tougher-I'll call that the Notre Dame syndrome and finally is Finebaum real or is that Max Mercy from the 'Natural"?

tussin · Jan 3, 2015

For reference, here is Tammy's implosion on Finebaum. It's an epic rant:

Tammy defends the SEC on Finebaum

phork · Jan 3, 2015

Bat shit crazy.

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