'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[irishfan]

EG was very clutch for us that final drive. I don't think he's quite done here personally. This is the same kid who went into Tallahassee and outplayed Winston. Same kid who made an almost-comeback in Tempe look effortless. BK didn't exactly do him many favors with play calls, or putting the entire offense on his shoulders considering he only made 11 careers starts before this season. If he can't shore up the TOs, then he can't play. But, I don't think anyone should assume it's not a fixable problem. He made a big jump from his first year starting to his second year. It's not out of the question for him to make a similar jump.

When EG is on his game, there really aren't many QBs in this country who are better.

I don't really care who starts for us next year. We're in good hands either way, and 10/11 offensive starters are back next year. Can't wait.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

EG was very clutch for us that final drive. I don't think he's quite done here personally. This is the same kid who went into Tallahassee and outplayed Winston. Same kid who made an almost-comeback in Tempe look effortless. BK didn't exactly do him many favors with play calls, or putting the entire offense on his shoulders considering he only made 11 careers starts before this season. If he can't shore up the TOs, then he can't play. But, I don't think anyone should assume it's not a fixable problem. He made a big jump from his first year starting to his second year. It's not out of the question for him to make a similar jump.

When EG is on his game, there really aren't many QBs in this country who are better.

I don't really care who starts for us next year. We're in good hands either way, and 10/11 offensive starters are back next year. Can't wait.

I couldn't state it any better. Reps!

 

[stlnd01]

When EG is on his game, there really aren't many QBs in this country who are better.

Yup.
I get why Zaire started today and today he was the wiser choice. But EG is also not far from being among the handful of best quarterbacks in the country. Wouldn't toss him on the scrap heap just yet.

 

[frankygoes69]

I like the way EG played today. Its like a rewind of 2012 when EG and TR played with the exception of MZ playing a way better role IMO. I though about this pretty much the whole season and wondered why Kelly did not play a two QB set, just like 2012.

Today, I saw what I thought was a very smart move on CBK's part. When EG (like 2012) was under pressure BK put TR in to give him some time to react and recover. I was happy for EG and MZ during and after this game because it was a very fitting end to the 2014 season and a GREAT look into the 2015 season!

Go Irish!!!

 

[frankygoes69]

drunk.

Drunk!!!

 

[Rocket89]

Agree, I was never a big Dayne fan but I remember his first road game (against MSU). Instead of easing him into it, he has Crist throw the ball 50 times. It's crazy how pass-happy he can get.

It's really not in the grand scheme in comparison to the greater college football world. Kelly has thrown the ball 50+ times in 5 games over 65 career games at Notre Dame.

Florida State 2014
Michigan 2013
Pittsburgh 2012
Michigan State 2010
Tulsa 2010

That's not that crazy at all. Even in the example of the 2010 MSU game that was Crist's best career game. Everyone has their definition of pass-happy but Kelly's offensive balance really isn't that crazy.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Malik is better with 1 games experience than golson is with 2 years as the starter and an off season with broomstick man. I don't see a debate.

Hyperbole. Malik looked very good and very poised and I hope he continues to develop and we get the best possible QB or QB tandem for our team.

Maybe I should get one of those 'jump to conclusions' mats.

 

[wizards8507]

When EG is on his game, there really aren't many QBs in this country who are better.

The problem is that "when," because you can also say "when EG is NOT on his game, there really aren't many QBs in this country who are worse." This is obviously an exaggeration, but if Golson is red and Malik is blue, I take Malik every single time. Sure, red has other-worldly peaks now and then, but the valleys lose you football games.

 

[Kingbish01]

MZ played really well against LSU for sure, but I think everyone calling for him to be the starter needs to slow down. EG has balled out many times over the last few years at ND, I for one am not ready to toss him aside because MZ ran for 96 yards and looked poised against LSU. Bottom line we are in a FANTASTIC spot with these 2. Life is good at ND............for now

 

[wizards8507]

EG has balled out many times over the last few years at ND, I for one am not ready to toss him aside because MZ ran for 96 yards and looked poised against LSU.

Nobody has questioned Golson's talent. His shortcoming is his lack of consistency. "Balling out" isn't worth a damn if you're flat-out terrible at least as often.

 

[Black Irish]

I wonder if we'll hear as much about the "controversial" call on LSU's fake field goal and them not getting the TD as we heard about the goal line stand against Stanford in 2012. LSU clearly didn't get it. I watched the play as it happened, and the ball hit the ground with several inches of green between it and the goal line. But haters got to hate.

 

[Black Irish]

Sorry, wrong thread. Thought this was LSU post game.

 

[ulukinatme]

MZ played really well against LSU for sure, but I think everyone calling for him to be the starter needs to slow down. EG has balled out many times over the last few years at ND, I for one am not ready to toss him aside because MZ ran for 96 yards and looked poised against LSU. Bottom line we are in a FANTASTIC spot with these 2. Life is good at ND............for now

I don't want a baller at QB anymore, I want a QB.

 

[ozzman]

. I watched the play as it happened, and the ball hit the ground with several inches of green between it and the goal line. But haters got to hate.

Landing short of the goal line isn't being disputed by anyone. It hit the ground with several inches short because the guy pulled the ball back as he dove. It definitely crossed the plane, but since it was called short on the field, there wasn't definitive proof that the ball crossed before his knee hit. If it was initially ruled a TD, they wouldn't have been able to overturn it.

 

[BobbyMac]

The problem is that "when," because you can also say "when EG is NOT on his game, there really aren't many QBs in this country who are worse." This is obviously an exaggeration, but if Golson is red and Malik is blue, I take Malik every single time. Sure, red has other-worldly peaks now and then, but the valleys lose you football games.

POTY candidate.

This is exactly what the Keyboard All-Americans here needed to see. Guys here watch too much Sunday football. You can be a Brett Farve and have 12 off the chart games per year and 4 TO fests and still go to the Super Bowl and the HOF. In college, ONE crap game in ND's case most likely sends you to the Off Brand Bowl and two guarantees a spot in the Huggie's Diaper Bowl.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it... I'd rather have a left handed Tony Rice than a 5-10 Jay Cutler.

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[Kingbish01]

I don't want a baller at QB anymore, I want a QB.

I'm not sure my term is being understood as I know this board has all different ages. When I say "balled out" think Pitt '12 or Stanford '14

NO question EG struggled this year, I just don't see how everyone is ready to hand MZ the keys to the castle. I remember how everyone felt about BVG after the Mich game, looking back doesn't it seem a bit silly?

 

[ulukinatme]

POTY candidate.

This is exactly what the Keyboard All-Americans here needed to see. Guys here watch too much Sunday football. You can be a Brett Farve and have 12 off the chart games per year and 4 TO fests and still go to the Super Bowl and the HOF. In college, ONE crap game in ND's case most likely sends you to the Off Brand Bowl and two guarantees a spot in the Huggie's Diaper Bowl.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it... I'd rather have a left handed Tony Rice than a 5-10 Jay Cutler.

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On the plus side, if you shit your pants in the Huggie's Diaper Bowl, they've got you covered.

 

[GoldenDome]

If only Golson can hold onto the ball, Kelly could bring back the run element....

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm not sure my term is being understood as I know this board has all different ages. When I say "balled out" think Pitt '12 or Stanford '14

NO question EG struggled this year, I just don't see how everyone is ready to hand MZ the keys to the castle. I remember how everyone felt about BVG after the Mich game, looking back doesn't it seem a bit silly?

I was rather cautious regarding BVG after Michigan. I felt like many coordinators often get a jump on competition early in the season since the opposition has little film to work with on you. Obviously injuries played a bigger part in BVG's fall from grace, but I think struggles with North Carolina and a few others had little to do with any injuries and more to do with coordinators finding ways to attack BVG.

I would also argue that EG "balling out" against Pitt in 2012 and Stanford in 2014 wasn't really balling out. It was more like struggling for most of the game and making a miraculous comeback very late in the game. I'd rather have a consistent QB than a baller. A consistent QB will make plays throughout the game instead of relying on late game heroics.

 

[wizards8507]

When I say "balled out" think Pitt '12 or Stanford '14

We should have beaten Pitt by 30 in 2012 and you're giving EG #ballerstatus for 3OTs? Likewise, he played poorly for the entire game against Stanford this year and then had ONE excellent drive. I'd rather have a QB who plays well for, you know, the entire game so we don't NEED miracle drives and "Heisman moments" in the first place.

I would also argue that EG "balling out" against Pitt in 2012 and Stanford in 2014 wasn't really balling out. It was more like struggling for most of the game and making a miraculous comeback very late in the game. I'd rather have a consistent QB than a baller. A consistent QB will make plays throughout the game instead of relying on late game heroics.

If only Golson can hold onto the ball, Kelly could bring back the run element....

Hold onto the ball and gain 20 pounds of muscle.

 

[Luckylucci]

POTY candidate.

This is exactly what the Keyboard All-Americans here needed to see. Guys here watch too much Sunday football. You can be a Brett Farve and have 12 off the chart games per year and 4 TO fests and still go to the Super Bowl and the HOF. In college, ONE crap game in ND's case most likely sends you to the Off Brand Bowl and two guarantees a spot in the Huggie's Diaper Bowl.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it... I'd rather have a left handed Tony Rice than a 5-10 Jay Cutler.

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Thats a good point and valid way to approach this conversation.

 

[BobbyMac]

I'm not sure my term is being understood as I know this board has all different ages. When I say "balled out" think Pitt '12 or Stanford '14

NO question EG struggled this year, I just don't see how everyone is ready to hand MZ the keys to the castle. I remember how everyone felt about BVG after the Mich game, looking back doesn't it seem a bit silly?

EG loses games. You can't lose games in college. You have to manage your teams chance to win. EG is like Winston in the fact that he digs holes for his team by his style of play if he's not on... the difference is Jameis gets out of the hole every time. Golson can't. Not in '12, '13 or '14. Do you still want the keys in the hands of a guy who after 3 years still plays error prone football in a sport where you get one loss IF you win your conference championship? (See what I did there?)

On the plus side, if you shit your pants in the Huggie's Diaper Bowl, they've got you covered.

Well played!

If only Golson can hold onto the ball, Kelly could bring back the run element....

You know the IF rhymes so I won't type them plus EG is no good in this offense because:

- He is a 5-10 drop back passer behind a 6-5 line who for reasons of his own or a disconnect with the coaching staff can't figure out throwing lanes and hits his lineman's helmets or the defender's hands as much as his receivers.

- He is not a read option QB, he never will be. He's a great athlete no doubt... watch his HS basketball films for proof but he ISN'T a DT QB and this offense needs a QB that can do both.


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[NDRock]

It's really not in the grand scheme in comparison to the greater college football world. Kelly has thrown the ball 50+ times in 5 games over 65 career games at Notre Dame.

Florida State 2014
Michigan 2013
Pittsburgh 2012
Michigan State 2010
Tulsa 2010

That's not that crazy at all. Even in the example of the 2010 MSU game that was Crist's best career game. Everyone has their definition of pass-happy but Kelly's offensive balance really isn't that crazy.

And not surprising, we were 1-4 (with a lucky win against PITT) in those games. The frustrating part is that we ran the ball very well for the most part in those games yet we still aired it out a bunch.

 

[GoldenDome]

Zaire is severely behind Golson mentally. Easy throws, protection from the run game, no checking out of plays at the LOS and saved by time outs from the coaching staff. His command was shaky at best. Zaire is a better runner but everything else I see Golson far ahead in a QB competition.

 

[wizards8507]

Zaire is severely behind Golson mentally.

You serious, Clark?

 

[BobbyMac]

Zaire is severely behind Golson mentally. Easy throws, protection from the run game, no checking out of plays at the LOS and saved by time outs from the coaching staff. His command was shaky at best. Zaire is a better runner but everything else I see Golson far ahead in a QB competition.

Come on bro... edit that or put it in italics.

 

[Luckylucci]

Zaire is severely behind Golson mentally. Easy throws, protection from the run game, no checking out of plays at the LOS and saved by time outs from the coaching staff. His command was shaky at best. Zaire is a better runner but everything else I see Golson far ahead in a QB competition.

I don't agree with that partially because I don't know. I don't think we've seen enough of him to make that decision. However, the second part is absolutely right. This game was called completely different from previous games. Somewhat similar to 2012. Kelly made the game and decision making process easier for Zaire. It also simultaneously gave LSU something they weren't expecting. Then once they got comfortable we were able to switch it up. However, now there is tape on this and coaches will be watching very closely.

 

[PANDFAN]

Zaire is severely behind Golson mentally. Easy throws, protection from the run game, no checking out of plays at the LOS and saved by time outs from the coaching staff. His command was shaky at best. Zaire is a better runner but everything else I see Golson far ahead in a QB competition.

well i will take that with not turning the ball over any day of the week....and don't act like golson is checking into the right plays because how many times did golson check right into the pressure...as i am writing this i just wondered if i got trolled or if you're serious clark?

 

[GoldenDome]

You serious, Clark?

If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.

Zaire is looking towards the sideline for the play while the clock is winding. Golson gets the play and has the option to check into a better play. Most of Zaire's pass plays were outside of the pocket where he can get comfortable, many of them at or near the line of scrimmage, easy completions with a low chance of getting intercepted.

Now, does it mean that Zaire cannot catch up, no. Zaire looks to be the future but there is the unknown with him. I think he is the better option going forward but he is far behind Golson in almost every aspect.

 

[wizards8507]

If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.

Zaire is looking towards the sideline for the play while the clock is winding. Golson gets the play and has the option to check into a better play. Most of Zaire's pass plays were outside of the pocket where he can get comfortable, many of them at or near the line of scrimmage, easy completions with a low chance of getting intercepted.

Now, does it mean that Zaire cannot catch up, no. Zaire looks to be the future but there is the unknown with him. I think he is the better option going forward but he is far behind Golson in almost every aspect.

Lol how many times did Golson open a game or half with a timeout or delay of game? Sometimes we even got the bonus opening-timeout-immediately-followed-by-delay-of-game.