'14 IN WR Justin Brent (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

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Brent was the number two guy to grab Kelly for congrats post the gatorade dump after the LSU game --- he WANTS to "get out of the dog house" and play --- my intuition says that he'll make the right "sacrifices" with this experience, and he's going to be "Fuller-good".
 

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Brent was the number two guy to grab Kelly for congrats post the gatorade dump after the LSU game --- he WANTS to "get out of the dog house" and play --- my intuition says that he'll make the right "sacrifices" with this experience, and he's going to be "Fuller-good".

He practically danced with kelly after the gatorade bath lol
 

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That whole dog house thing was very tongue in cheek. What else is Kelly supposed to say. In fact, considering the kid isn't in trouble, I thought Kelly handled it perfectly. He's not playing because he has a slew of good WR's in front of him, not because he's banging pornstars.
 

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That whole dog house thing was very tongue in cheek. What else is Kelly supposed to say. In fact, considering the kid isn't in trouble, I thought Kelly handled it perfectly. He's not playing because he has a slew of good WR's in front of him, not because he's banging pornstars.


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He'll be fine. Dude certainly looks like a ballplayer. We're just stacked at WR right now.
 

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That whole dog house thing was very tongue in cheek. What else is Kelly supposed to say. In fact, considering the kid isn't in trouble, I thought Kelly handled it perfectly. He's not playing because he has a slew of good WR's in front of him, not because he's banging pornstars.

Maybe he just had dead legs.... I know at 30 I wood.

EDIT: I mean "I would"
 

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Can he play safety?

I think that is extremely hard to say. If you watch his film, he is one of those kids who doesn't look as good as he makes his competition look terrible. He is so strong and deceptively fast. He doesn't look very explosive, however, he apparently has excellent hands and feet in drills.

If you get ESB and DD comes backs, you'll have Procise, Robinson, and DD getting all the big receiver snaps this year, and ESB and and Boykin will move into the depth chart the following year. So no absolute need for Brent to stay.

My thought would be that we NEED another safety in the spring, and he is as good a canidate as any to move. Kelly has no problem moving around depth players, so I would not be suprised at all if he moves.
 
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... with respect: my untried eye sees this young man a bit differently. As to "explosiveness", it's awfully fast-happening and I think easy to miss, but our Spring/Fall glimpses of his route-running had an aspect to them [again in my poor eye] of a quick twitch right at the route break that seemed preternatural. He starts off the line... TWITCH/BOOM... separation.

I started looking for Brent clips just so I could smile and say: "Twitch ---> Gone".

If this is anywhere near correct, then please let's leave him at WR. I'll take a Fuller/ Robinson/ Brown/ Brent rotation with some Prosise/ Hunter in any of my dreams.
 
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Corey Holmes shouldn't be forgotten about either. Rich man's TJ some may say.
 

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... with respect: my untried eye sees this young man a bit differently. As to "explosiveness", it's awfully fast-happening and I think easy to miss, but our Spring/Fall glimpses of his route-running had an aspect to them [again in my poor eye] of a quick twitch right at the route break that seemed preternatural. He starts off the line... TWITCH/BOOM... separation.

I started looking for Brent clips just so I could smile and say: "Twitch ---> Gone".

If this is anywhere near correct, then please let's leave him at WR. I'll take a Fuller/ Robinson/ Brown/ Brent rotation with some Prosise/ Hunter in any of my dreams.

I hear you, but Spring practice is going to be very interesting with a DB chart that looks like this:

CB
- Cole Luke, Jr. '16
- Devin Butler, Jr. '16
- Nick Watkins, So. ?

Safety
- Elijah Shumate, Sr. '15
- Max Redfield, Jr. '16
- Matthias Farley

and Tranquil recovering...

The SAM depth chart looks like this:
- John Turner, Sr. '16
- James Onwualu, Jr. '16

While the WR depth Chart could look like this:

Slot ( + 1 recruit)
Amir Carlisle, ???
C.J. Prosise, Sr. '15
Torii Hunter, Jr. '17

WR-boundary
Davaris Daniels???
Chris Brown, Sr. '15
Will Fuller, Jr. '16
Corey Robinson, Jr. '16
Corey Holmes, So.
Justin Brent, So.

If we want meaningful snaps for a QB competition, who are all those WRs going to practice against? What if someone gets hurt? Who is a better fit for the secondary?
 
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I hear you, but Spring practice is going to be very interesting with a DB chart that looks like this:

CB
- Cole Luke, Jr. '16
- Devin Butler, Jr. '16
- Nick Watkins, So. ?

Safety
- Elijah Shumate, Sr. '15
- Max Redfield, Jr. '16
- Matthias Farley

and Tranquil recovering...

The SAM depth chart looks like this:
- John Turner, Sr. '16
- James Onwualu, Jr. '16

While the WR depth Chart could look like this:

Slot ( + 1 recruit)
Amir Carlisle, ???
C.J. Prosise, Sr. '15
Torii Hunter, Jr. '17

WR-boundary
Davaris Daniels???
Chris Brown, Sr. '15
Will Fuller, Jr. '16
Corey Robinson, Jr. '16
Corey Holmes, So.
Justin Brent, So.

If we want meaningful snaps for a QB competition, who are all those WRs going to practice against? What if someone gets hurt? Who is a better fit for the secondary?

Will Russell be back for Spring?
 

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Will Russell be back for Spring?

IIRC, he won't be back until the Fall.

Although his suspension or whatever was just for the year correct? Could he apply to take classes and work out at ND during the summer?
 
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This spring, Brent needs to be pushing the upperclassmen out of the way for snaps. He should be pushed to fight for a spot and the upperclassmen to hold him off if they can. Moving Brent to defense makes little sense. I am ignorant on how much he actually played defense in high school and I admit that. He has all the tools to excell at WR and it very well could he that he takes Amir's spot at slot as Amir just appears to timid on the field most of the time. I saw that several times this season and none more obvious than against LSU..

IMO Amir becomes a backup RB depth player and Brent takes his spot at slot.
 

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This spring, Brent needs to be pushing the upperclassmen out of the way for snaps. He should be pushed to fight for a spot and the upperclassmen to hold him off if they can. Moving Brent to defense makes little sense. I am ignorant on how much he actually played defense in high school and I admit that. He has all the tools to excell at WR and it very well could he that he takes Amir's spot at slot as Amir just appears to timid on the field most of the time. I saw that several times this season and none more obvious than against LSU..

IMO Amir becomes a backup RB depth player and Brent takes his spot at slot.

Where are all the snaps for the WRs in the Spring going to come from, if there are no safeties, or if we move one of our 3 corners to safety? Somebody has to move. Who is it going to be?
 
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I think brent, holmes, Torri hunter jr. Will all be guys who could breakout next year. Brent can play any wide R position I could see him starting in browns spot over him or at slot. Hunter jr. Is gonna be a slot guy. Also, out of all the freshmen WR. The only one I think who doesn't redshirt is sanders he will push for playing time. Maybe even kick returner.
 
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Where are all the snaps for the WRs in the Spring going to come from, if there are no safeties, or if we move one of our 3 corners to safety? Somebody has to move. Who is it going to be?

That sounds like a coaches decision but I dont think it is Brent. They can manipulate spring bsll enough to get people where they want them to be by August. I can see him pushing Amir out his spot by fall ball. I am not so worried about spring ball safety position. We also have three able bodied qbs so offensive reps should not be a problem
 
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That sounds like a coaches decision but I dont think it is Brent. They can manipulate spring bsll enough to get people where they want them to be by August. I can see him pushing Amir out his spot by fall ball. I am not so worried about spring ball safety position. We also have three able bodied qbs so offensive reps should not be a problem

The problem isn't going to be the offense getting reps. Quite the opposite! As you say, we have three able QBs and like 9 WRs. Who is going to cover them? Who is going to make those reps meaningful?
 
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The problem isn't going to be the offense getting reps. Quite the opposite! As you say, we have three able QBs and like 9 WRs. Who is going to cover them? Who is going to make those reps meaningful?

Why do they all need to be covered? The young guys need to develop chemistry and timing and learn the play book. You dont really need top flight athletes to defend against third team spring ball reps. That is more meaningful to me but I am not a coach so I dont know hiw they would handle that. Maybe a walkon gets the chance to run with the two deeps for a month. That is infinitely better than moving Brent. But again I have not heard if him even in discussion for a safety position so I remain unclear why his name got brought up at all.
 

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Why do they all need to be covered? The young guys need to develop chemistry and timing and learn the play book. You dont really need top flight athletes to defend against third team spring ball reps. That is more meaningful to me but I am not a coach so I dont know hiw they would handle that. Maybe a walkon gets the chance to run with the two deeps for a month. That is infinitely better than moving Brent. But again I have not heard if him even in discussion for a safety position so I remain unclear why his name got brought up at all.

Timing is partly based on getting bumped, avoiding safeties etc. Obviously better competition makes that more realistic.

I don't disagree that he could be a good one on offense, I have no feel for how he plays.

He keeps coming up because there is a glaring hole at safety and it needs to get filled. You need to get someone on the team that could actually play in a game some meaningful reps. How many safeties were injured this year at some point?

Brent is one of the only viable candidates, Kelly makes those switches every Spring, and he already stole Procise from the safety depth chart! So it adds up. Not saying its going to happen, but something has to.

And what are we supposed to talk about in the off-season?
 
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Easy there fella. As an ND fan you should know there's already plenty of off-season drama that happens EVERY single year.

LOL. Very good point. There will be more than enough misery to discuss in short order... maybe we find out that Jaylon Smith runs a chop shop or that Kelly cares is pushing drugs in elementary schools.
 
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