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I believe there is a general lack of leadership from the upperclassmen on this team, and it hurts the development of the young guys and how they react to changes or strategy. JMO.
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That's a fair assumption IMO, and I hate to make excuses, BUT we just lost a few once in a generation leaders over the last two seasons in Te'o, Nix and Martin. We were spoiled in that regard.
That's a fair assumption IMO, and I hate to make excuses, BUT we just lost a few once in a generation leaders over the last two seasons in Te'o, Nix and Martin. We were spoiled in that regard.
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I like this...but it all starts with an O-line...and man they are ...um...not all that consistent...yea consistent.
OL play was good enough. That had little impact on Golson's turnovers. WR's had some drops but if you watch enough college football it happens on every team. Bottomline as Golson went so went our team. Take care of the football and we don't lose to N'western or Louisville and actually would have had some chance against ASU. Is it all Golson's fault? Of course not but if he takes care of the football (which is his most important responsibility) this is a 9 or 10 win team despite all the injuries that crippled the defense.
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I think the OL play was due in large part to Golson and play calling. EG held the ball more and more as the year went on and danced into trouble all too frequently. Frankly, I think it would be very difficult to pass pro with his unpredictable pocket movement.
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What? Versus NW if McDaniel doesn't fumble we run out the clocks and win. If Kelly chooses to take a knee and then punt we probably win. If the D has any ability to stop a terrible offense NW doesn't kick a FG to tie. None of that had to do with Golson but somehow we're pinning that on him, that's crazy. He, 100%, didn't play well enough but over the course of the last six games very few parts of the game were consistent.
14 interceptions and 12 fumbles (8 lost) is unacceptable for a starting QB. That's an insane number. Too important of a position.
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Not speaking for Lucky, but I think we are on a similar page here.
No one is saying the EG's performance is acceptable, but his performance is not the sole reason that games were lost.
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Lack of leadership and youthfulness reared it's ugly head over and over again after the fucking flag at FSU. It was insane how one play derailed a 6-1 start. A terribly negative vibe lingered and never left after that play. A young team seemed to feel cheated (can't blame them) and couldn't overcome. Then it was injury after injury and the snowball affect has led this team to this point.
The most upsetting part is while getting lambasted against USC none of the Irish players seemed to lose their cool and yes I find that upsetting. They just took their beating, said thanks for the lovely weather, and here take the Jeweled Shillelagh USC. That team was defeated before the freaking coin flip. It was a pair of 7-4 teams that each had their own depth limitations playing in a big time rivarly game. One team determined they wanted it more before the game was ever started and it played out that way on the field. I don't want guys throwing haymakers but getting in your rivals face and having the attitude of "you better enjoy this shit cause its not happening again while I'm here!" was sorely missing. Robert Hughes and Chris Stewart are two former alums that had that mentality when USC was crushing ND and were ultimately apart of the team that stopped the hemorrhaging against the Trojans. I don't care if your 0-11 you go into the game Vs. USC with a crazy look in your eye and hate in your heart. No fight. Disappointing.
And that's on everybody. Coaches and players (even injured ones). Syracuse vs. Boston College had 10 times the intensity because both teams wanted to pound the other into the dirt regardless of records, history or what the score of the game was. It's pride in school and team. This ND team plays like little position units not a cohesive group aiming at one goal. The OL will have great protection but the receiver runs the wrong route or drops a ball. The LB's fill their lanes but two DL got pushed back. Two defenders watch as a safety misses a tackle instead of gang tackling through the whistle.
The most upsetting part is while getting lambasted against USC none of the Irish players seemed to lose their cool and yes I find that upsetting. They just took their beating, said thanks for the lovely weather, and here take the Jeweled Shillelagh USC. That team was defeated before the freaking coin flip. It was a pair of 7-4 teams that each had their own depth limitations playing in a big time rivarly game. One team determined they wanted it more before the game was ever started and it played out that way on the field. I don't want guys throwing haymakers but getting in your rivals face and having the attitude of "you better enjoy this shit cause its not happening again while I'm here!" was sorely missing. Robert Hughes and Chris Stewart are two former alums that had that mentality when USC was crushing ND and were ultimately apart of the team that stopped the hemorrhaging against the Trojans. I don't care if your 0-11 you go into the game Vs. USC with a crazy look in your eye and hate in your heart. No fight. Disappointing.
And that's on everybody. Coaches and players (even injured ones). Syracuse vs. Boston College had 10 times the intensity because both teams wanted to pound the other into the dirt regardless of records, history or what the score of the game was. It's pride in school and team. This ND team plays like little position units not a cohesive group aiming at one goal. The OL will have great protection but the receiver runs the wrong route or drops a ball. The LB's fill their lanes but two DL got pushed back. Two defenders watch as a safety misses a tackle instead of gang tackling through the whistle.
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It's a laundry list of problems right now. Easiest fix seems to be Zaire at QB running the zone read as a basis of plays with Bryant and Folston in the backfield.
Defense is just a wasteland of injuries and no depth but young players need to start stepping into a mentality they can carry with them into next year and years beyond. Points will be scored but they just need to hit and tackle till something breaks their way. That's a will issue not a skill issue regardless of who is on the field.
Defense is just a wasteland of injuries and no depth but young players need to start stepping into a mentality they can carry with them into next year and years beyond. Points will be scored but they just need to hit and tackle till something breaks their way. That's a will issue not a skill issue regardless of who is on the field.
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You literally said its all about the QB play and said that if it wasn't for that him wouldn't be talking about this. I said that wasn't accurate and then you went on to blame Golson for NW. Also, which isn't very accurate.
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Yes we are. I'll add that in what was perceived to be Golsons worst game (ASU) at first glance. Actually turned out to be a terrible performance from our Oline, TEs, and RB's blocking. I was literally on the complete opposite of this while I was watching the game but after re-watching and reading those that know more than I, I was wrong.
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The game is currently on Fox sports channel. I missed the game for other family obligations on Sat. and I was upset only because I'm a homer for cliches and superstition. I didn't even wear my lucky shirt... As I watch this catastrophe, I hate to admit it but we do not only look flat but like we haven't lost the past 3 games.
I was a fan of Lebron the first time he was in Cleveland and the way he looked in that semi-final series his final year before taking off to Miami was a blow to all of us fans! When he left It made sense. I saw that Kelly stayed in CA to recruit and I'll take that as the only good sign from this weekend.
I was a fan of Lebron the first time he was in Cleveland and the way he looked in that semi-final series his final year before taking off to Miami was a blow to all of us fans! When he left It made sense. I saw that Kelly stayed in CA to recruit and I'll take that as the only good sign from this weekend.
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Fist off...this is my opinion and probably will get a lot of hate mail for this post BUT i feel this is a personal observation of the program ....
my resume: Notre Dame fan all my life, this year alone, went to the Spring game, Michigan Game and USC game and at home in front of the TV every Saturday to watch Games on NBC. I am a Notre Dame fan regardless how they play... win or lose...BUT I need to speak....
#1 - BK is the head coach and bears most blame for the team, any great head coach in history tells everyone that blame rest with him and no one else. BK has a tendency to point blame at other people, this includes players and coaches. I don't like how BK calls out players, these are 18 year old kids and need to be motivated. Some believe in motivation by criticism, BUT in todays world of super star athletes (4 and 5 stars) coming out of high school, BK needs to find out what works to motivate each kid individually, some of you will say that is impossible but the criticizing thing is not working. I believe that the team has felt it acceptable to yell and blame each other, just look at the end of Louisville game when Brindza missed the field goal and was yelling at MZ on the side lines in front of Kelly, I know the hold was not a 100% BUT Brindza being a SENIOR and future NFL kicker should have made the field goal. Brindza let the whole holder thing get into his head....AND we should have never let the game get to a point when we needed a field goal just to go into OT...3 trips to the red zone and 6 points, unacceptable.
#2 - GOLSON, I don't understand the relationship between BK and Golson. Either Golson had a different set of rules because he decided to come back to ND and worked out some back room deal with BK
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BK put all his eggs in one basket and built his WHOLE offense around Golson and had no back up plan in case things went south...with the great 1st half of the Season and how they played against Florida St., no coach would think that things could get as bad as they did....BUT being the Coach at Notre Dame...it is expected to be ready for any and all possible disasters.....
#3 - BK talk about himself like he has won 5 National Championships and shows a lot of arrogance. he needs to be more humble. I believe that he needs to hire a TRUE Offensive Coordinator and let them run the offense, BK has to relinquish the offense, it still can be HIS offense BUT being both a head coach and OC is next to impossible at any major D1 program, YET it being NOTRE DAME...ND is a like a major sports franchise.... BK as a play caller is ok at best, take for ever for him to get a play in...so many penalties for expired play clock....horrible in the red zone....stubborn as hell when it comes to the run game....we got a 4* and 5* running back being wasted....run the ball down their throat and the pass will come...some will say our line can't block...B*ll S*it...put 2 tight ends and a ONLY 2 receivers out left and right and run the ball....our receivers are great blockers...when Bryant and Folson get the chance to run, they average yardage...running the ball is not as pretty as passing BUT it works. After we run the ball down their throat, they will be forced to jam the box and leave man to man on the outside and ALL our receivers are deadly with man to man coverage....
#4 - Defense, we all knew that defense was going to be shaky at best with the start of the season, BUT they played lights out in the 1st half of the season. we knew our offense at some point would have to match point for point. what killed our defense was 2 things. INJUIRIES....its either a fluke that we had so many OR we need to look as to the "WHY", is it conditioning, too much contact at practice, equipment, dirty teams or NAVY....I know we should always play NAVY but its time has to end. I know that NAVY has all the tradition but the "idea" of playing them I feel is in the minds of the kids and gets to them mentally...also it give a tremendous amounts of "film" of how chop blocking works against us...just look at Florida St., their O line was getting their ass kicked and then all of a sudden they started chop blocking and I am not saying these teams are dirty BUT a hell of a lot cut blocking is going on too...and all this leads to injuries....AND 2nd poor recruiting in the 2011 and 2012 classes lead to not depth on defense....look it up
#5 - Benching or not to Bench that is the Question - Kelly gave EG so much rope and gave others very little. I don't understand how a 1/4 back with over 20 turn overs stays the starting 1/4 back and a 5* safety has a bad practice and gets benched and only played again due to injuries. Trust me I think EG is a great kid, meet him a couple times and he is very humble and composed young man. But when someone can make so many mistakes and not have any repercussions...I would like to see him after a turn over go over to his defense and motivate them...trust me a defensive gets tired of just getting off the field and then having to go back with a turn over...EG has a very poor side line demeanor. you CAN NOT have two sets of rules for your players....BK said EG was on a short leash going into Louisville and he left him in for the 2nd half, the NBC commentators were dumb founded on how BK left him in the game...EG facial expression and body language were that of defeat. I am not saying give up on a kid but put in MK and have EG stand by you and coach him as to what he is doing wrong.
You guys may see this as a BK bashing and it is of sorts....I just believe that Kelly needs to be humbled and be willing to change and accept change....I don not envy him BUT he is the head coach at the BEST D1 program in the country and we as fans want to win...ND is the highest profile team in all of college sports....screw the SEC if they believe so....
Again lady and gentlemen, I am not an English major and please send me any questions or comments and be gentle....
NOTRE DAME our MOTHER....Pray for US...
my resume: Notre Dame fan all my life, this year alone, went to the Spring game, Michigan Game and USC game and at home in front of the TV every Saturday to watch Games on NBC. I am a Notre Dame fan regardless how they play... win or lose...BUT I need to speak....
#1 - BK is the head coach and bears most blame for the team, any great head coach in history tells everyone that blame rest with him and no one else. BK has a tendency to point blame at other people, this includes players and coaches. I don't like how BK calls out players, these are 18 year old kids and need to be motivated. Some believe in motivation by criticism, BUT in todays world of super star athletes (4 and 5 stars) coming out of high school, BK needs to find out what works to motivate each kid individually, some of you will say that is impossible but the criticizing thing is not working. I believe that the team has felt it acceptable to yell and blame each other, just look at the end of Louisville game when Brindza missed the field goal and was yelling at MZ on the side lines in front of Kelly, I know the hold was not a 100% BUT Brindza being a SENIOR and future NFL kicker should have made the field goal. Brindza let the whole holder thing get into his head....AND we should have never let the game get to a point when we needed a field goal just to go into OT...3 trips to the red zone and 6 points, unacceptable.
#2 - GOLSON, I don't understand the relationship between BK and Golson. Either Golson had a different set of rules because he decided to come back to ND and worked out some back room deal with BK
or
BK put all his eggs in one basket and built his WHOLE offense around Golson and had no back up plan in case things went south...with the great 1st half of the Season and how they played against Florida St., no coach would think that things could get as bad as they did....BUT being the Coach at Notre Dame...it is expected to be ready for any and all possible disasters.....
#3 - BK talk about himself like he has won 5 National Championships and shows a lot of arrogance. he needs to be more humble. I believe that he needs to hire a TRUE Offensive Coordinator and let them run the offense, BK has to relinquish the offense, it still can be HIS offense BUT being both a head coach and OC is next to impossible at any major D1 program, YET it being NOTRE DAME...ND is a like a major sports franchise.... BK as a play caller is ok at best, take for ever for him to get a play in...so many penalties for expired play clock....horrible in the red zone....stubborn as hell when it comes to the run game....we got a 4* and 5* running back being wasted....run the ball down their throat and the pass will come...some will say our line can't block...B*ll S*it...put 2 tight ends and a ONLY 2 receivers out left and right and run the ball....our receivers are great blockers...when Bryant and Folson get the chance to run, they average yardage...running the ball is not as pretty as passing BUT it works. After we run the ball down their throat, they will be forced to jam the box and leave man to man on the outside and ALL our receivers are deadly with man to man coverage....
#4 - Defense, we all knew that defense was going to be shaky at best with the start of the season, BUT they played lights out in the 1st half of the season. we knew our offense at some point would have to match point for point. what killed our defense was 2 things. INJUIRIES....its either a fluke that we had so many OR we need to look as to the "WHY", is it conditioning, too much contact at practice, equipment, dirty teams or NAVY....I know we should always play NAVY but its time has to end. I know that NAVY has all the tradition but the "idea" of playing them I feel is in the minds of the kids and gets to them mentally...also it give a tremendous amounts of "film" of how chop blocking works against us...just look at Florida St., their O line was getting their ass kicked and then all of a sudden they started chop blocking and I am not saying these teams are dirty BUT a hell of a lot cut blocking is going on too...and all this leads to injuries....AND 2nd poor recruiting in the 2011 and 2012 classes lead to not depth on defense....look it up
#5 - Benching or not to Bench that is the Question - Kelly gave EG so much rope and gave others very little. I don't understand how a 1/4 back with over 20 turn overs stays the starting 1/4 back and a 5* safety has a bad practice and gets benched and only played again due to injuries. Trust me I think EG is a great kid, meet him a couple times and he is very humble and composed young man. But when someone can make so many mistakes and not have any repercussions...I would like to see him after a turn over go over to his defense and motivate them...trust me a defensive gets tired of just getting off the field and then having to go back with a turn over...EG has a very poor side line demeanor. you CAN NOT have two sets of rules for your players....BK said EG was on a short leash going into Louisville and he left him in for the 2nd half, the NBC commentators were dumb founded on how BK left him in the game...EG facial expression and body language were that of defeat. I am not saying give up on a kid but put in MK and have EG stand by you and coach him as to what he is doing wrong.
You guys may see this as a BK bashing and it is of sorts....I just believe that Kelly needs to be humbled and be willing to change and accept change....I don not envy him BUT he is the head coach at the BEST D1 program in the country and we as fans want to win...ND is the highest profile team in all of college sports....screw the SEC if they believe so....
Again lady and gentlemen, I am not an English major and please send me any questions or comments and be gentle....
NOTRE DAME our MOTHER....Pray for US...
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Absolutely fantastic post. Thanks for taking the time to share it. I agree with all of it....I just may not be as kind in my choice of words...reps
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For those who complain about long posts...this one is well worth your time. Lots of great insight there, I concur with everything except I am not in favor of dumping Navy, as much as I hate playing that game and agree that it is almost a no win situation.
Please post more! Reps.
Are you really this dense? I quote myself "Is it all Golson's fault? Of course not but if he takes care of the football (which is his most important responsibility) this is a 9 or 10 win team despite all the injuries that the defense had." My opening statement "it's all about the QB play" is a general statement used by those (especially coaches) to emphasize how important QB play is to a team's success. It's why QB's in the NFL are easily the highest paid players.
Actually, saying the 2011 class was a "bad" defensive class is way off base. That was the best defensive haul in one class from a talent perspective that ND has had in the past 20 years. Too bad a bunch of those dudes got injured, left early for the NFL and or got kicked out of/left school.
Crazy to think the d line this year could have been Tuitt, Lynch, Springman and Day. With the rotation being Jones, Schwenke, Williams, Hounshell (pre injury) and Rochell.
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Scratch that. I concur with everything except the Navy stuff and the fact that 2011 was a bad defensive recruiting haul. But. I am firm on the fact that I agree with almost all of the OP's points. Good catch Bluto.
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Yes I'm dense because you made a dumb post, got called out, and are now backtracking. Keep up the quality. Also, I'm not the only one that couldn't read your mind or wait was it call your bull$h!t
No backtracking whatsoever. You just lack reading comprehension skills and common sense. It's not too late to develop those skills so maybe there is hope for you yet.
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Keep up the insults, I'm sure it makes you feel smarter. Keep it classy.
Pot meet kettle.
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Hey there folks...
I know we had a very disappointing season and few things went our way, but we are ND and we are a group unto ourselves derided by those outside our fan base. Not only that but we are officially in the Christmas season now. Could we please not turn on each other like in a bad end of the world movie? You guys are my IE brothers and we will find ourselves in the sun again someday and when we get there we will celebrate TOGETHER!
I know we had a very disappointing season and few things went our way, but we are ND and we are a group unto ourselves derided by those outside our fan base. Not only that but we are officially in the Christmas season now. Could we please not turn on each other like in a bad end of the world movie? You guys are my IE brothers and we will find ourselves in the sun again someday and when we get there we will celebrate TOGETHER!
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Agreed. Lol can we all just return to a much simpler time when we were celebrating a Shumate INT return for TD to beat mich. 37-0* and Devin Gardner was limping off ND's field in agony... those were the days.
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You lack class and civility and you might have a chance to learn them since you must be about 12 based off your posting.
Have you ever noticed that you have a tendency to insult the poster instead of their posts. That usually means you don't have a good rebuttal and should probably spend more time working on it instead of your masterful insults.