Kelly's gameplan was terrible

[ickythump1225]

Would you guys stop? We have a 7-2 team thats going to be 10-2 by the end of the year. THe hand wringing is stupid. Take the record, go to a good bowl, beat a good team and take it all next year. Enjoy the ride guys.

I swear it's like some people lurk in the shadows when we're winning and can't wait to come troll us after we lose.

 

[micks60]

1.1 yards a carry :-(

3.64 ypc in those first 14 rush plays.
The issue is the the sacks in that rushing total. 56 yds lost on sacks and 39 yds lost in 1st half alone. So my whole point is the running game was ok, not amazing. And that I was also addressing the main post saying we did not run when in reality it was 50/50 the first 28 plays.

After that they had to pass due to 31-3 score.

 

[IrishinSyria]

3.64 ypc in those first 14 rush plays.
The issue is the the sacks in that rushing total. 56 yds lost on sacks and 39 yds lost in 1st half alone. So my whole point is the running game was ok, not amazing. And that I was also addressing the main post saying we did not run when in reality it was 50/50 the first 28 plays.

After that they had to pass due to 31-3 score.

Yea, Kelly always gets reamed for Pass/run balance but it's always a lot closer to 50/50 than people think. He does tend to abandon it the longer games go, but there were obvious and good reasons for that yesterday.

 

[Circa]

To the Op, why must you? WHY?
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[Circa]

Don't know how you came to the conclusion that I said anything about being run heavy.

Don't know how you have a leg to stand on either. You can always watch the postgame presser, that may help with the agreement you took when ya made the thread. Wino's like yourself are the epitome of bad press, I hate bad press.

 

[irishtrain]

He gets a pass from me on this one, top 2/3 coach in the country. They have been hamstrung with loss of defensive personnel. I treasure this guy as a coach-he has impressed me and I'm a critical sob.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

To be fair, our game plan did a piss poor job anticipating their pressure. Watch the replays of the first two picks. It is crystal clear that they played us... they showed pressure on the outside to force Golson to switch to a hot route and then had their DE's back away from our line and get into the passing lanes.



It kind of reminded me when AJ Hawk said he knew what play they Irish were going to run before the snap in the Fiesta bowl.



We made some good halftime adjustments. Rolled Golson away from the pressure. Worked the middle of the field. If ASU's d was as predictable as Kelly said it was, how come those adjustments weren't in place at the start of the game?

It was said all game long, but Notre Dame doesn't run "hot routes".


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[IrishinSyria]

It was said all game long, but Notre Dame doesn't run "hot routes".


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Hot routes or not, they showed pressure, we tried to throw quick slants and their D-ends were waiting to bat the ball down.

 

[irishfaith]

I've been very consistent on my support of Kelly. During that first half I was reminded of Lou Holtz telling Steve Buerlein in '86 or whatever year it was that he would sit him after seven interceptions (or something like that). So a few things here. First, there has to be a situation where Kelly pulls Everett if he continues to give the ball away (emphasis on give) - even if for a series. And if Kelly was so prepared for the blitz packages why was Everett running around all game? Are we to believe a coach of Kelly's calababer does not know how to protect a quarterback against constant pressure (Let alone effectively exploit blitzes)? And balance is overrated. Forget the run to pass ratio. I would have love to have seen 90% runs. Maybe even a pitch to the outside. I am amazed at how horrible the game plan was.

 

[BeauBenken]

Would you guys stop? We have a 7-2 team thats going to be 10-2 by the end of the year. THe hand wringing is stupid. Take the record, go to a good bowl, beat a good team and take it all next year. Enjoy the ride guys.

Holy shit. When the guy who has the troll face as his avatar tells you to quit whining...

 

[ickythump1225]

I've been very consistent on my support of Kelly. During that first half I was reminded of Lou Holtz telling Steve Buerlein in '86 or whatever year it was that he would sit him after seven interceptions (or something like that). So a few things here. First, there has to be a situation where Kelly pulls Everett if he continues to give the ball away (emphasis on give) - even if for a series. And if Kelly was so prepared for the blitz packages why was Everett running around all game? Are we to believe a coach of Kelly's calababer does not know how to protect a quarterback against constant pressure (Let alone effectively exploit blitzes)? And balance is overrated. Forget the run to pass ratio. I would have love to have seen 90% runs. Maybe even a pitch to the outside. I am amazed at how horrible the game plan was.

Why in god's name would you run 90% of the time down 31 points?

 

[GoldenDome]

Second half adjustments? What exactly were they because to me ASU gave the middle of the field, switched to zone (didn't play any zone in the first half) and decided to play the clock and not their opponent. Once ND got within 3 points, ASU went back to man up and blitzed up the middle effectively. ND made little halftime adjustments to me, it was more of ASU giving rather than ND adjusting.

I mean, name one schematic adjustment that ND made aside from McDaniel calling blitzes pickups. Defense really didn't have to adjust because there was zero deep threat so they could sell out on the run. Offense was given the middle of the field since ASU conceded the middle of the field and running the clock.

What did Kelly change offensively? Van Gorder defensively? There was nothing to adjust aside from McDaniel and the blitz pickups.

 

[irishfaith]

run the ball instead of counting on golson, who has been majorly turnover prone, to run all over the field for his life would have prevented such a severe deficit. Aren't we talking about game plan? Not what do we do after we crap a great opportunity against a decent team to prove we are solid.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Second half adjustments? What exactly were they because to me ASU gave the middle of the field, switched to zone (didn't play any zone in the first half) and decided to play the clock and not their opponent. Once ND got within 3 points, ASU went back to man up and blitzed up the middle effectively. ND made little halftime adjustments to me, it was more of ASU giving rather than ND adjusting.

I mean, name one schematic adjustment that ND made aside from McDaniel calling blitzes pickups. Defense really didn't have to adjust because there was zero deep threat so they could sell out on the run. Offense was given the middle of the field since ASU conceded the middle of the field and running the clock.

What did Kelly change offensively? Van Gorder defensively? There was nothing to adjust aside from McDaniel and the blitz pickups.

It seemed to me (and I haven't rewatched the game) that we cut the field in half a lot more in the 2nd half. Rolled Golson away from the pressure, simplified the reads. Maybe it was all ASU getting passive though.

 

[GoldenDome]

run the ball instead of counting on golson, who has been majorly turnover prone, to run all over the field for his life would have prevented such a severe deficit. Aren't we talking about game plan? Not what do we do after we crap a great opportunity against a decent team to prove we are solid.

Very interested on what BK's gameplan was against ASU.

Please share with us what you saw.

 

[Wild Bill]

run the ball instead of counting on golson, who has been majorly turnover prone, to run all over the field for his life would have prevented such a severe deficit. Aren't we talking about game plan? Not what do we do after we crap a great opportunity against a decent team to prove we are solid.

We came out running the ball - nine carries in the first quarter. We abandoned the run b/c time is more important than offensive balance when it's a four possession game within twenty minutes of kickoff.

 

[DONTH8]

I’ll defend Kelly on this one. We have no right to assume what Kelly’s gameplan was going into the game. I’ll use the wise Mike Tyson’s words, “everyone has a plan, till they get punched in the face.” Kelly probably wanted to run the ball, control the clock and keep his defense off the field. But when you are starting the game and early in the first quarter you are down 17-3 against a very solid offensive team, you kind of have to change the gameplan a little. You need to score points and fast, to put pressure back on a team especially in their home stadium.

Plus, our QB kind of led our team back in the second half after his first drive pick so we should give some credit to Kelly and co. for some success on the day. Honestly I don’t see how anyone can really support the claim that the gameplan was bad, because I feel like we never got a chance to see it completely.

 

[GoldenDome]

I am still wondering if the OP even knows what the gameplan was. If you are going to criticize something at least tell us what you are criticizing.

 

[Wild Bill]

Second half adjustments? What exactly were they because to me ASU gave the middle of the field, switched to zone (didn't play any zone in the first half) and decided to play the clock and not their opponent. Once ND got within 3 points, ASU went back to man up and blitzed up the middle effectively. ND made little halftime adjustments to me, it was more of ASU giving rather than ND adjusting.

I mean, name one schematic adjustment that ND made aside from McDaniel calling blitzes pickups. Defense really didn't have to adjust because there was zero deep threat so they could sell out on the run. Offense was given the middle of the field since ASU conceded the middle of the field and running the clock.

What did Kelly change offensively? Van Gorder defensively? There was nothing to adjust aside from McDaniel and the blitz pickups.

ASU was flying up the field to stop our short passing game/screens so they faked the screen to Fuller and hit Amir over the top to make it a three point game. Had we caught one break and pulled the game out, we'd be talking about Kelly's creative play calling/adjustment to their defense.

You wanted one.

 

[Rhode Irish]

The answer is to clean up the mistakes, whether that means fixing Golson or turning it over to someone else. The answer is definitely not turning the clock back 80 years and running the ball 65 times a game. You cannot win that way.

 

[GreenSox04]

We lost 5 possessions in the form of turnovers.

We lost the game because of reason stated ^

This shit isn't fucking rocket science.

Beat Northwestern.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I am still wondering if the OP even knows what the gameplan was. If you are going to criticize something at least tell us what you are criticizing.

His gameplan was to not bother blocking blitzers. Someone posted his pregame stuff somewhere. Last year kept te's in to block, this year he wasnt going to. Now I know this team had "hot routes" with tommy, so I dunno if that announcer was talking out his ass bout nd not having them but they sure didnt use em with golson. Folston didnt miss blocks, by the time Cam came in asu wasnt mass blitzing. the oline and cam actually started communicating with golson who is incapable of swiveling his head to see obvious presnap blitzes. Thats only adjustment I saw, the offense actually communicating presnap which is only what every team has done since caveman days. I really wish kelly was just a headcoach/program runner and hired a real OC.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Why in god's name would you run 90% of the time down 31 points?

To burn clock. Duh.

We lost 5 possessions in the form of turnovers.

We lost the game because of reason stated ^

This shit isn't fucking rocket science.

Beat Northwestern.

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[phork]

Holy shit. When the guy who has the troll face as his avatar tells you to quit whining...

Trolling and whining are not exactly the same.

 

[NDohio]

Numerous Alabama players said the exact same thing. Predictability. That is on Kelly.

I thought that this was the Alabama offensive line making these quotes about how simple the ND defensive game plan was and that ND never attempted to hide their coverage. I specifically remember Barrett(center) saying it was the easiest game he had as far as calling out the line assignments.



I am not really sure how anyone can criticize the game plan in this game. The game plan - whatever it was - was thrown away very early.

 

[ThePiombino]

Trolling and whining are not exactly the same.

They kind of are in roundabout ways. Only difference is one means to be an asshole while the other has no idea...

 

[kmoose]

I thought that this was the Alabama offensive line making these quotes about how simple the ND defensive game plan was and that ND never attempted to hide their coverage. I specifically remember Barrett(center) saying it was the easiest game he had as far as calling out the line assignments.



I am not really sure how anyone can criticize the game plan in this game. The game plan - whatever it was - was thrown away very early.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that the idea was that Alabama's defense knew what kind of play our offense would check into, if they gave them a specific look.

 

[NDohio]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that the idea was that Alabama's defense knew what kind of play our offense would check into, if they gave them a specific look.

Proud Notre Dame defense handled by Alabama from the start - CBSSports.com

Fluker noticed Notre Dame using the same blitz packages early in the game that he saw on film from the Irish's regular-season games. Notre Dame was “predictable,” he said.

 

[IrishGlory]

This entire post is useless. As pointed out, when your QB alone gives the ball away 5 times, although the last pick 6 was not his fault, your chances of winning are crushed.

Look, the young men fought hard to make it a game after getting embarrased there for a while. And although we could make an argument that if we could change about 8 minutes of game time (last few minutes of 1st, early 2nd quarters, and last 5 minutes of 4th), the outcome is probably in our favor, it's pointless because that's just not how it works.

I'm as disappointed as anyone with the outcome but how in the world do you start making blanket statements that the gameplan was terrible. Last weekend, I coached my son's flag football team in the championship game. I thought about how to call the game all week and had a plan set. By halftime, that went out of the window based on how the game played out. Gentlemen, things don't always go as planned and sometime you have to make adjustments while facing live bullets. We lost a game that we could have won... its that simple. Accept it for what it is and let's move on gents.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm glad some of you aren't giving advice to Kelly, that's what I'll be thankful for in a few weeks.