Colin Cowherd compliments Notre Dame

[Whiskeyjack]

He just stated something that I was not aware or he is misinformed..

"If you're a coach at ND, you're kid is going to go free to any Jesuit university in the country."

Any truth?

No, though he may have been trying to make a joke. C.S.C. and S.J. priests are rivals. Thus, if the kid of an ND coach snubbed ND in favor of a Jesuit school, the Jesuit school would grant him or her a scholarship simply out of schadenfreude. Or so the joke goes.

 

[nsisk157]

No, though he may have been trying to make a joke. C.S.C. and S.J. priests are rivals. Thus, if the kid of an ND coach snubbed ND in favor of a Jesuit school, the Jesuit school would grant him or her a scholarship simply out of schadenfreude.

I knew that difference, that is why i was skeptical. He was quite serious in his tone. He was explaining perks of coaching at ND.

I figured I would throw it out here for confirmation.

"Ad majorem Dei gloriam"

 

[ACamp1900]

Cowheard is a cartoon at this point...

on the S.J and C.S.C. ... I didn't even catch that at first, good stuff.

 

[Emcee77]

He just stated something that I was not aware or he is misinformed..

"If you're a coach at ND, you're kid is going to go free to any Jesuit university in the country."

Any truth?

What could he be talking about? Does he think ND is a Jesuit school? Do Jesuit schools even have any sort of reciprocity program like he is describing?

I have heard of such programs ... I knew a guy who went to Oberlin college for free because his dad worked at Ohio Wesleyan, for instance (Kenyon, Oberlin, OWU, Denison and Wooster make up a "consortium" of Ohio liberal arts schools). I'm sure that sort of thing is fairly common, but I'm not aware of ND and Jesuit schools having any such arrangement. Nor do I get how it would really make sense.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Is Cowherd Catholic? He must have been making a joke about the CSC-SJ rivalry, and I can't imagine many non-Catholics know or care about such things.

 

[Southside Sully]

He just stated something that I was not aware or he is misinformed..

"If you're a coach at ND, you're kid is going to go free to any Jesuit university in the country."

Any truth?

I am not sure about ND, but my brother works at DePaul and my niece and nephew will be able to go to DePaul for free, Georgetown, Villanova, St. Johns, - and I think Marquette. The others I know for sure. A lot of Catholic Universities have reciprocity, not sure on ND, but my guess for Notre Dame would be any universities that are run by Holy Cross Brothers.

 

[Emcee77]

Is Cowherd Catholic? He must have been making a joke about the CSC-SJ rivalry, and I can't imagine many non-Catholics know or care about such things.

I think you are giving him too much credit. I think he thinks ND is a Jesuit school, and he is assuming that the child of any employee of a Jesuit school can go to any other Jesuit school for free.

Just goes to show how these guys talk out their ass.

 

[Emcee77]

I am not sure about ND, but my brother works at DePaul and my niece and nephew will be able to go to DePaul for free, Georgetown, Villanova, St. Johns, - and I think Marquette. The others I know for sure. A lot of Catholic Universities have reciprocity, not sure on ND, but my guess for Notre Dame would be any universities that are run by Holy Cross Brothers.

Wow, interesting. And there are at least three different orders represented there ... Vicentians, Jesuits and Augustinians.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Cowherd has said many times that he's not at all religious. This is just him talking about stuff he doesn't know. I'd be willing to stake all my v bucks on it.

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[ACamp1900]

Cowherd has said many times that he's not at all religious. This is just him talking about stuff he doesn't know. I'd be willing to stake all my v bucks on it.

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Safe bet, I mean, does he EVER know what he's talking about??

 

[zelezo vlk]

Safe bet, I mean, does he EVER know what he's talking about??

Substitute "he" for "every ESPN talking head" and...well that pretty much sums up our issues with them.

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[wizards8507]

No, though he may have been trying to make a joke. C.S.C. and S.J. priests are rivals. Thus, if the kid of an ND coach snubbed ND in favor of a Jesuit school, the Jesuit school would grant him or her a scholarship simply out of schadenfreude. Or so the joke goes.

He wasn't. Cowherd has mistakenly referred to Notre Dame as a Jesuit school a number of times. I think it's a common misconception that Catholic university = Jesuit university.

I think you are giving him too much credit. I think he thinks ND is a Jesuit school, and he is assuming that the child of any employee of a Jesuit school can go to any other Jesuit school for free.

This.

Substitute "he" for "every ESPN talking head" and...well that pretty much sums up our issues with them.

Yeah, like when the Gameday guys said that Notre Dame would need a better win than Stanford to get respect from the Committee and all of IrishEnvy stood firm that ND would be a top-5 team after their loss to Florida State. Idiots.

I'm all for honest criticism (Cowherd wrong about ND's religious affiliation, Desmond Howard being unprofessional after the Everett Golson piece a few weeks ago, etc. etc.), but the ESPN haters here go far further overboard than even what they accuse ESPN of doing in the other direction.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Don't most universities allow children of employees to go to school for free? I used to work at Southwestern University in Georgetown, TX but I worked in the food service department run by Marriott so I was not an employee of the university. If I had been I could have gone to school for free as well as any children if I had any.

 

[ACamp1900]

Don't most universities allow children of employees to go to school for free? I used to work at Southwestern University in Georgetown, TX but I worked in the food service department run by Marriott so I was not an employee of the university. If I had been I could have gone to school for free as well as any children if I had any.

Most four year institutions have some form of tuition remission for employees and some have it for children and spouses of employees... it varies in to what that actually equates from school to school and it's actually somewhat rare to find a school that does full 100% remission for family... most schools I've worked for or with have varying percentages or none at all. Mush more common to see it only for the actual employee when it comes to 100%. With that said i work for a University right now that (subject to change) will give my kids a full ride if I still work here once they are of age.

 

[kmoose]

He just stated something that I was not aware or he is misinformed..

"If you're a coach at ND, you're kid is going to go free to any Jesuit university in the country."

Any truth?

My brother is "staff" at ND. Not faculty, but staff. (He's an Assistant Director in the MBA program). The deal my niece got is that ND will pay the child's tuition, at ANY accredited University in the United States, up to the cost of Notre Dame tuition. They may also go to ND, tuition free. There is no allowance for room and board, books, or fees. I would assume that Kelly is probably in the same "staff" category, but may have an even better deal written into his contract.

On a proud Uncle note: my niece will graduate from ND in the Spring!! She was an EE, in that she graduated from High School a year early.

 

[wizards8507]

The deal my niece got is that ND will pay the child's tuition, at ANY accredited University in the United States, up to the cost of Notre Dame tuition. They may also go to ND, tuition free.

That's a stupid good benefit. My mom is a department manager at Brown and they "only" paid $10,000 per year towards ND.

 

[ACamp1900]

Yeah, that's an amazing benefit...

 

[kmoose]

That's a stupid good benefit. My mom is a department manager at Brown and they "only" paid $10,000 per year towards ND.

It gets "worse". My brother is a retired Commander (O-5), after 25 years in the Navy. So he is already making enough, just in retirement, to live on. Not live well, but live. Then he lines up a pretty good gig with ND. Now, he has two kids in school; my niece is going to ND, tuition free. And my nephew is going to Indiana, also tuition free, but not on the ND benefit. (As I understand it, only one child may be on the ND program at a time). But, because my brother is a Service Disabled Veteran (a 20% disability, I think), his kids can go to any state school in Indiana, tuition free. So he is making good bank, has two kids in college, and isn't paying a penny for tuition.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Yeah, like when the Gameday guys said that Notre Dame would need a better win than Stanford to get respect from the Committee and all of IrishEnvy stood firm that ND would be a top-5 team after their loss to Florida State. Idiots.

I'm all for honest criticism (Cowherd wrong about ND's religious affiliation, Desmond Howard being unprofessional after the Everett Golson piece a few weeks ago, etc. etc.), but the ESPN haters here go far further overboard than even what they accuse ESPN of doing in the other direction.

I think your perception of the "ESPN haters here" is far more skewed than IE's alleged animus toward the "Worldwide Leader". Outside of the SEC, hatred for ESPN for very common (see this recent Rolling Stone article and the reaction to it on Twitter for confirmation). You're the outlier here, which is understandable since you work for the company; but IE isn't exceptional in its dislike for how ESPN goes about its business.

My problem with it can be summed up as follows:

• ESPN is a publicly-traded company, and is therefore concerned first and foremost with maximizing shareholder value;
• ESPN, like every other cable "news" network, has determined that the best way to do that is through sensationalism, and not by providing unbiased coverage;
• That's all well and good--there's clearly a huge market for this sort of entertainment--except for the fact that ESPN is by far the loudest voice in CFB, which, due to small sample sizes and poor schedule overlap, is predicated almost entirely upon public perception;
• Thus, NDFB--in which we're all emotionally invested, and which generates a ton of cash for our alma mater--is frequently at the mercy of whatever narrative ESPN chooses to spin.

Sorry I don't like seeing ND's fortunes influenced by an amoral corporation that employs Paul Finebaum, Colin Cowherd, Skip Bayless, etc. because #HotTakes.

 

[irishtrain]

I think your perception of the "ESPN haters here" is far more skewed than IE's alleged animus toward the "Worldwide Leader". Outside of the SEC, hatred for ESPN for very common (see this recent Rolling Stone article and the reaction to it on Twitter for confirmation). You're the outlier here, which is understandable since you work for the company; but IE isn't exceptional in its dislike for how ESPN goes about its business.

My problem with it can be summed up as follows:

• ESPN is a publicly-traded company, and is therefore concerned first and foremost with maximizing shareholder value;
• ESPN, like every other cable "news" network, has determined that the best way to do that is through sensationalism, and not by providing unbiased coverage;
• That's all well and good--there's clearly a huge market for this sort of entertainment--except for the fact that ESPN is by far the loudest voice in CFB, which, due to small sample sizes and poor schedule overlap, is predicated almost entirely upon public perception;
• Thus, NDFB--in which we're all emotionally invested, and which generates a ton of cash for our alma mater--is frequently at the mercy of whatever narrative ESPN chooses to spin.

Sorry I don't like seeing ND's fortunes influenced by an amoral corporation that employs Paul Finebaum, Colin Cowherd, Skip Bayless, etc. because #HotTakes.

Count me in the group that thinks they say things that are negative toward the Irish. Last night I heard Trevor Maddox ( good guy in my opinion ) say that the rest of the country should hope ASU beats the Irish. What the $#@% does that mean. I don't hear that remark made about any other team in the playoff picture. Its a head scratcher to me about the venom Notre Dame gets. College football needs Notre Dame like the big leagues need the Yankees yet they constantly get in their jabs. Like Mom said to little Irishtrain years ago when your afraid of someone people poke fun. Notre Dame on a roll scares the $#@% out of the college football world.

 

[koonja]

I think your perception of the "ESPN haters here" is far more skewed than IE's alleged animus toward the "Worldwide Leader". Outside of the SEC, hatred for ESPN for very common (see this recent Rolling Stone article and the reaction to it on Twitter for confirmation). You're the outlier here, which is understandable since you work for the company; but IE isn't exceptional in its dislike for how ESPN goes about its business.

My problem with it can be summed up as follows:

• ESPN is a publicly-traded company, and is therefore concerned first and foremost with maximizing shareholder value;
• ESPN, like every other cable "news" network, has determined that the best way to do that is through sensationalism, and not by providing unbiased coverage;
• That's all well and good--there's clearly a huge market for this sort of entertainment--except for the fact that ESPN is by far the loudest voice in CFB, which, due to small sample sizes and poor schedule overlap, is predicated almost entirely upon public perception;
• Thus, NDFB--in which we're all emotionally invested, and which generates a ton of cash for our alma mater--is frequently at the mercy of whatever narrative ESPN chooses to spin.

Sorry I don't like seeing ND's fortunes influenced by an amoral corporation that employs Paul Finebaum, Colin Cowherd, Skip Bayless, etc. because #HotTakes.

FWIW, OSU fans often complain about ESPN ignoring them.

 

[ACamp1900]

FWIW, OSU fans often complain.

FIFY

 

[Emcee77]

I think your perception of the "ESPN haters here" is far more skewed than IE's alleged animus toward the "Worldwide Leader". Outside of the SEC, hatred for ESPN for very common (see this recent Rolling Stone article and the reaction to it on Twitter for confirmation). You're the outlier here, which is understandable since you work for the company; but IE isn't exceptional in its dislike for how ESPN goes about its business.

My problem with it can be summed up as follows:

• ESPN is a publicly-traded company, and is therefore concerned first and foremost with maximizing shareholder value;
• ESPN, like every other cable "news" network, has determined that the best way to do that is through sensationalism, and not by providing unbiased coverage;
• That's all well and good--there's clearly a huge market for this sort of entertainment--except for the fact that ESPN is by far the loudest voice in CFB, which, due to small sample sizes and poor schedule overlap, is predicated almost entirely upon public perception;
• Thus, NDFB--in which we're all emotionally invested, and which generates a ton of cash for our alma mater--is frequently at the mercy of whatever narrative ESPN chooses to spin.

Sorry I don't like seeing ND's fortunes influenced by an amoral corporation that employs Paul Finebaum, Colin Cowherd, Skip Bayless, etc. because #HotTakes.

I just want to point out that I did not write the post Whiskey quoted in the above post (I believe it was wizards) and I don't know why it appears that I did. I want to point that out because I totally agree with everything Whiskey is saying. lol.

 

[ACamp1900]

I just want to point out that I did not write the post Whiskey is quoting and I don't know why it appears that I did. As a matter of fact, I totally agree with everything Whiskey is saying.

Liar... we can all see his post that quoted you.....


















(He quoted wiz's response to you and cut it up... that happens sometimes and results in the wrong user being 'quoted')

 

[Emcee77]

Liar... we can all see his post that quoted you.....

(He quoted wiz's response to you and cut it up... that happens sometimes and results in the wrong user being 'quoted')

Oh haha I see now. You are right. Nice catch.

 

[ND NYC]

based on KMoose post....it appears Cowherd was right, no?

 

[wizards8507]

You're the outlier here, which is understandable since you work for the company; but IE isn't exceptional in its dislike for how ESPN goes about its business.

You're crisscrossing cause and effect here. I don't like ESPN because I work for them. I work for them because I like them. Actually, I really work for ESPN because I like The Walt Disney Company but hate both Florida and California. They treated me well in Orlando and they treat me well here in Bristol. My "brand affinity" is much more aligned to Mickey Mouse, Captain America, and Disney Infinity than it is to SportsCenter or Mike and Mike. For full disclosure, the only ESPN products that I go out of my way to enjoy as a customer are 30 for 30 and College GameDay. I also think that ESPN's live sports productions are the best in the business, with come commentators obviously being better than others.

ESPN is a publicly-traded company, and is therefore concerned first and foremost with maximizing shareholder value.

This seems to be a problem you have with "the media," yet criticism is leveled at ESPN almost exclusively. NBC, which airs Notre Dame games and is far more blatantly pro-ND than any media entity is anti-ND, is owned by Comcast. I'm not sure why you have a problem with The Walt Disney Company pursuing shareholder value but not Comcast.

ESPN, like every other cable "news" network, has determined that the best way to do that is through sensationalism, and not by providing unbiased coverage.

My first response would be that ESPN is not a "news" network, air quotes or otherwise. ESPN is, first and foremost, an entertainment network.

Secondly, there are different standards of "journalism" that apply to specific products within ESPN. Bret Baier and Wolf Blitzer are held to a different standard of journalism when they're hosting election coverage than Bill O'Reilly and Rachel Maddow are when they're hosting their opinion shows. None of them should be outright lying to the audience, but O'Reilly and Maddow are under no obligation to walk the center line when that's clearly not the purpose of their programming.

Likewise, if Stuart Scott was bashing ND as the host of SportsCenter or Bob Ley was anything less than fair in an Outside the Lines piece, then there might be room for complaint. Programs like GameDay, First Take, or any of the radio shows are opinion and commentary shows, not reporting shows. Sometimes, individuals wear two different hats and that can complicate things. Scott Van Pelt is different on SportsCenter than he is when he's hosting SVP and Russillo. Kirk Herbstreit won't pick games that he's calling because College GameDay is an opinion and commentary show, while announcing a game requires a different demeanor and level of neutrality.

That's all well and good--there's clearly a huge market for this sort of entertainment--except for the fact that ESPN is by far the loudest voice in CFB, which, due to small sample sizes and poor schedule overlap, is predicated almost entirely upon public perception.

This seems like more of a problem with the system than with ESPN. When I watch GameDay or another program, I can agree or disagree with the opinions of the hosts because I have my own eyes and brain. If the AP voters, Coaches, or the Committee base their votes on what Desmond Howard says at 10:15 on a Saturday morning, we have bigger problems.

Thus, NDFB--in which we're all emotionally invested, and which generates a ton of cash for our alma mater--is frequently at the mercy of whatever narrative ESPN chooses to spin.

"Spin" implies that there's some way to possibly cover sports "straight." I'm not sure I'd want to watch any programming that checked all opinions at the door and strictly "stuck to the facts." Can you imagine how terribly boring that would be? "Florida State plays Clemson today. In other news, Notre Dame plays USC today. At 10:00, Stanford will play Oregon," followed by the evening edition, "Florida State beat Clemson 20-17, Notre Dame fell to USC 24-10, and Stanford defeated Oregon 10-6. Thank you and good night." I'll pass.

Also, a lot of people seem to think that there's a master-crafted "narrative" that's pushed from the top-down. There isn't. When Desmond Howard talks crap about ND, it's because Desmond Howard feels like talking crap about ND. If Jesse Palmer thinks Dak Prescott is the best college quarterback on the planet, then he's going to say so. There's no mandate from on high that says "promote the SEC, Yankees, LeBron, and Tiger while bashing Notre Dame and the Big 10 and ignoring everyone on the west coast." Things that get more coverage than other things are the culmination of decisions from individual producers and talent, not some elaborate scheme to "steer the narrative" in a certain direction.

Sorry I don't like seeing ND's fortunes influenced by an amoral corporation that employs Paul Finebaum, Colin Cowherd, Skip Bayless, etc. because #HotTakes.

Many posters are looking at "amorality" in the rear view mirror and have moved on to accusations of flat-out immorality. It's those kinds of ridiculous posts that I have the biggest problem with. As to the rest of your comment, I've already discussed how those individuals are opinion-based have no bearing on the reporting or live-event coverage at ESPN.

 

[Emcee77]

based on KMoose post....it appears Cowherd was right, no?

Not exactly. He was right that a coach's kids can go to any Jesuit school without paying tuition, provided that the school costs less than ND, but the fact that it's a Jesuit school has nothing to do with anything. They get the same benefit anywhere.

And yeah, amazing benefit. UChicago has a similar program. I have a friend who works for the hospital and he calls it the "golden handcuffs." He actually dislikes his position there and would prefer to work elsewhere, but he can't afford to leave because if he stays his kids' college is covered.

 

[wizards8507]

So he is making good bank, has two kids in college, and isn't paying a penny for tuition.

Meanwhile, I sit here patiently waiting for my two-week-old daughter's social security number so I can get her ESA and 529 started.

 

[ACamp1900]

Meanwhile, I sit here patiently waiting for my two-week-old daughter's social security number so I can ...

We should start a 'finish this sentence' contest. lolol