'16 GA QB Jawon Pass (Louisville Verbal)

[Ndaccountant]

I haven't been reading the entire thread on this kid, so I apologize if I'm misinformed.

I notice he doesn't have an offer from Georgia. Let's say he commits to ND in time. Is it a foregone conclusion that he's bailing on his verbal if Georgia comes around?

I'm just extremely gun shy about highly regarded recruits and Notre Dame, and especially in ND's ability lately to keep kids who decide they want to look around. Especially ones without offers from their Home State U.

Unlikely since UGA has Eason committed.

 

[Johannes]

I haven't been reading the entire thread on this kid, so I apologize if I'm misinformed.

I notice he doesn't have an offer from Georgia. Let's say he commits to ND in time. Is it a foregone conclusion that he's bailing on his verbal if Georgia comes around?

I'm just extremely gun shy about highly regarded recruits and Notre Dame, and especially in ND's ability lately to keep kids who decide they want to look around. Especially ones without offers from their Home State U.

Eason committed to Georgia recently, so I think ND would be safe there. As for other teams in the region, I don't know.

Edit: Ndaccountant beat me to it.

 

[ColinKSU]

Unlikely since UGA has Eason committed.

Ah, good point. I forgot they had scored his verbal.

Now I can shift my paranoia to Eason deciding he wants to stay closer to the west coast and bailing, then Georgia offering Jawon at the last second and leaving us holding the bag. Hahaha.

 

[BobbyMac]

I haven't been reading the entire thread on this kid, so I apologize if I'm misinformed.

I notice he doesn't have an offer from Georgia. Let's say he commits to ND in time. Is it a foregone conclusion that he's bailing on his verbal if Georgia comes around?

I'm just extremely gun shy about highly regarded recruits and Notre Dame, and especially in ND's ability lately to keep kids who decide they want to look around. Especially ones without offers from their Home State U.

Why follow Eason to a school known for turning out prototype NFL pocket passers? Eason is made for Georgia... Just like Stafford and Murray were.

* took a call mid response and finished dead last in the answer game.

 

[zbikowski88]

Loy CB him to ND today and Malik Henry to FSU

 

[Luckylucci]

Loy CB him to ND today and Malik Henry to FSU

Are you sure that was today? He's had that for quite a while I believe.

 

[jerboski]

Are you sure that was today? He's had that for quite a while I believe.

Got to be old, no way Pass ends up at ND. Havent heard anything about him to ND since this summer, I have no doubt he stays in SEC country probably Auburn

 

[zbikowski88]

Notre Dame Fighting Irish Crystal Ball Target Predictions i'm 2nd guessing this myself but here it is

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Are you sure that was today? He's had that for quite a while I believe.

Got to be old, no way Pass ends up at ND. Havent heard anything about him to ND since this summer, I have no doubt he stays in SEC country probably Auburn

Zbi's right. Loy put in CBs for Henry to FSU and Pass to ND within the last hour. Normally I wouldn't put too much stock into such things, but Loy allegedly has connections at FSU.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm not entirely sure what thats about but if you follow it to Malik Henry's prediction page it show that Tom made a CB for Malik on 7/22/14. Not sure why he'd be reaffirming his pick as you get more points/credit the longer you have the pick.

 

[jerboski]

Wow that seems odd, I haven't heard anything about Pass since the summer, I know he named us as a co-leader at that time however nothing since and he has went on other visits since so I don't see that happening. I still say Henry lands Irish

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm not entirely sure what thats about but if you follow it to Malik Henry's prediction page it show that Tom made a CB for Malik on 7/22/14. Not sure why he'd be reaffirming his pick as you get more points/credit the longer you have the pick.

Could just be sending a signal that he's still confident in his earlier CB with Henry's announcement date set. He may not understand or care how the CB scoring system works.

 

[ResLife Hero]

I'm not entirely sure what thats about but if you follow it to Malik Henry's prediction page it show that Tom made a CB for Malik on 7/22/14. Not sure why he'd be reaffirming his pick as you get more points/credit the longer you have the pick.

He put out an article about Pass, Henry and Patterson today and threw down 3 CBs for them right after that. Probably trying to generate some buzz for his article.

 

[Ironman8]

Loy knows what he did. Says he will "have more on it shortly". But it's not an accident.

 

[Irish YJ]

Pass, Henry, or Patterson...
Any of them are just fine. Also fine if we skip a year with MZ, DK, and Bush in the fold.

 

[koonja]

I'd have Shea, Pass, and Henry as 1A, 1B, and 1C. And with Wimbush and Zaire on the future roster, I'm just not concerned about the future of the QB position.

Still, the thought of starting 2016 with two 5-stars got me like:

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Pass, Henry, or Patterson...
Any of them are just fine. Also fine if we skip a year with MZ, DK, and Bush in the fold.

In some years I would be OK with us skipping a year, but not a year when we are firmly in the mix for the 3 of the finest in the high school ranks. We have depth and talent, but you can never have to much of it at the QB position.

Not to mention the impact this could have on 2016 recruiting if we were to start out with Henry and Kraemer, finish this year 11-2 or better and come into 2016 as preseason top 5 team.

 

[Southside Sully]

Dont have access

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Major movement on the <a href="https://twitter.com/247CrystalBall">@247CrystalBall</a> regarding 2016 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> QB targets. Here's why I made some moves: <a href="http://t.co/8W7XpVORHA">http://t.co/8W7XpVORHA</a> (VIP)</p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/530113290840842240">November 5, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Irish#1]

Take 'em every chance you get. Never know what't going to happen.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Pass, Henry, or Patterson...

Henry is the only one of those who isn't from the deep south. If he picks FSU on his announcement date, our odds of landing any of them will plummet.

 

[Luckylucci]

Nothing of importance on Pass. Basically stated what we're already knew from over the summer.

 

[Irish YJ]

In some years I would be OK with us skipping a year, but not a year when we are firmly in the mix for the 3 of the finest in the high school ranks. We have depth and talent, but you can never have to much of it at the QB position.

Not to mention the impact this could have on 2016 recruiting if we were to start out with Henry and Kraemer, finish this year 11-2 or better and come into 2016 as preseason top 5 team.

Yes, to an extent. Sure it would be nice, but its not a major need. You always want, and take a top 5QB if you can get him, always.... but you also consider we have an embarrassment of riches with today's QB depth chart.

I also don't think the impact to recruiting is as big as you think. Being able to tell any recruit on O you have EG/MZ/DK/Bush stacked right now, especially when everyone knows Bush will likely RS, is pretty compelling.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Yes, to an extent. Sure it would be nice, but its not a major need. You always want, and take a top 5QB if you can get him, always.... but you also consider we have an embarrassment of riches with today's QB depth chart.

I also don't think the impact to recruiting is as big as you think. Being able to tell any recruit on O you have EG/MZ/DK/Bush stacked right now, especially when everyone knows Bush will likely RS, is pretty compelling.

Big picture, it's obviously not a "need" for us (though Kelly still wants to take a QB every year, current roster be damned). But I'm not ready to downplay the significance of getting a 5 2016 QB in the fold early. The knock-on effects that brings in recruiting can be incredible. We don't often have an opportunity to do that, so it's disappointing regardless of need.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Yes, to an extent. Sure it would be nice, but its not a major need. You always want, and take a top 5QB if you can get him, always.... but you also consider we have an embarrassment of riches with today's QB depth chart.

I also don't think the impact to recruiting is as big as you think. Being able to tell any recruit on O you have EG/MZ/DK/Bush stacked right now, especially when everyone knows Bush will likely RS, is pretty compelling.

EG, MZ, DK and Wimbush aren't going to be at all the major combines/recruiting events bunking with and competing with all of the top kids we are going to be recruiting. That personal interaction and relationship building is HUGE with the kids on the circuit today, and there is no other way to put it...having a top 5 player in the country, and a 5 star QB talking you up to other guys he wants to come play with him carries more weight than anybody currently on campus.

 

[IrishLax]

Comforting "facts" (that aren't actually facts):
1. Cali QBs have a much higher bust rate than basically any other place on the planet. It's absurd how many of their "one in a generation" skill players never reach the hype. Go look at the past 10 years of #1 Cali QBs... comical.
2. Regardless of what is said, there is a pretty darn noticeable pattern between Henry ramping up interest when we were passing on a 2015 QB, and then immediately "cooling" if he goes to FSU. Players who are locked in to depth chart gazing or looking for "early PT" tend to also have a high attrition rate.
3. See: 80% of California players ND has received a verbal from. The vast majority of Cali prospects either never make it to NSD or wash out or under-perform their ranking.
4. There are a lot of implicit benefits to not signing up a 2016 QB until this summer/spring.

So sure, it'd be great to have a consensus top QB. But I'm legitimately not losing sleep over this one if it goes the other way, because Wimbush seems like an incredibly intriguing prospect.

 

[Irish YJ]

EG, MZ, DK and Wimbush aren't going to be at all the major combines/recruiting events bunking with and competing with all of the top kids we are going to be recruiting. That personal interaction and relationship building is HUGE with the kids on the circuit today, and there is no other way to put it...having a top 5 player in the country, and a 5 star QB talking you up to other guys he wants to come play with him carries more weight than anybody currently on campus.

Looking at the whole picture, I'm OK... I actually hope 2016 is huge year for the DL and DB space. TE too if we miss on Alize. I'm quite happy with what BK has done in the WR space, and what HH has done in the OL space, so not worried if we don't have a QB there to recruit for us. I get what you are saying, but again, it's nice, not a need right now. Will be extremely giddy if we get one of the three, but I will not be disappointed one bit if we don't.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Henry is the only one of those who isn't from the deep south. If he picks FSU on his announcement date, our odds of landing any of them will plummet.

Patterson's family is from Toledo, OH. his brother was a year ahead of me at a different Catholic school in the area. They aren't exactly southerners.

 

[Irish#1]

Comforting "facts" (that aren't actually facts):
1. Cali QBs have a much higher bust rate than basically any other place on the planet. It's absurd how many of their "one in a generation" skill players never reach the hype. Go look at the past 10 years of #1 Cali QBs... comical.
2. Regardless of what is said, there is a pretty darn noticeable pattern between Henry ramping up interest when we were passing on a 2015 QB, and then immediately "cooling" if he goes to FSU. Players who are locked in to depth chart gazing or looking for "early PT" tend to also have a high attrition rate.
3. See: 80% of California players ND has received a verbal from. The vast majority of Cali prospects either never make it to NSD or wash out or under-perform their ranking.
4. There are a lot of implicit benefits to not signing up a 2016 QB until this summer/spring.

So sure, it'd be great to have a consensus top QB. But I'm legitimately not losing sleep over this one if it goes the other way, because Wimbush seems like an incredibly intriguing prospect.

That's because they always get enamored with USC and don't get good QB coaching. The 5 start RB's & WR's cover up a lot of deficiencies.

Patterson's family is from Toledo, OH. his brother was a year ahead of me at a different Catholic school in the area. They aren't exactly southerners.

Could that be the southside of Toledo?

 

[ThePiombino]

Pass, Henry, or Patterson...
Any of them are just fine. Also fine if we skip a year with MZ, DK, and Bush in the fold.

No. No no no no no no. NOT OK to skip a year.

 

[Buster Bluth]

No. No no no no no no. NOT OK to skip a year.

Still, kinda unrealistic to get an elite QB every year. Notre Dame is not 2000s USC.