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Man we are in dire straits.
Putin pissed at Obama's rhetoric.
Ebola.
Stock market impending failure.
US troops to fight Ebola Virus.
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Man we are in dire straits.
Putin pissed at Obama's rhetoric.
Ebola.
Stock market impending failure.
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Just a great commentary.
Yes, it's from the Huffington Post, but it appeared on Fox News.
Shepard Smith: 'Do Not Listen To The Hysterical Voices' In The Media About Ebola
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Yes, it's from the Huffington Post, but it appeared on Fox News.
Shepard Smith: 'Do Not Listen To The Hysterical Voices' In The Media About Ebola
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Guys.
It's a "warm and fuzzy" video.
The truth is, not all is well on the home front.
This was one man.
Many others can/will fly in.
The holes in our system have been exposed.
Let's hope they get plugged.
It's a "warm and fuzzy" video.
The truth is, not all is well on the home front.
This was one man.
Many others can/will fly in.
The holes in our system have been exposed.
Let's hope they get plugged.
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The only true statement is that the CDC is handling this poorly.
Some of the pics here are priceless:
'Clipboard Man' Without a Hazmat Suit at Ebola Flight Explained - ABC News
'Clipboard Man' Without a Hazmat Suit at Ebola Flight Explained - ABC News
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I think it's because the leader of the CDC is not leading. They closed down two schools yesterday in the Cleveland/Akron area because of this. This hysteria is coming to a twon near you soon.
We have a leader
We have a leader
In related news it is rumored that the President's next Supreme Court appointe will be the acting Surgeon General.
The Sherpard Smith clip is correct. If current and well established public health practices are followed we will have no risk in this country of an Ebola epidemic. However, if we continue the present fvck up all bets are off.
We have a leader
Could the lack of leadership be because the CDC has no legal authority to do so? Have no fear for the President has appointed another lawyer to be the Ebola Czar to run the largest and most dangerous world health threat so far in this century. I am relieved to see that all the legal threats to our security from this medical emergency is in the able hands of a corporate lawyer with an impeccable political background and excellent relationships with the Hollywood elite. Weeee, that is a load off my mind.
In related news it is rumored that the President's next Supreme Court appointe will be the acting Surgeon General.
The Sherpard Smith clip is correct. If current and well established public health practices are followed we will have no risk in this country of an Ebola epidemic. However, if we continue the present fvck up all bets are off.
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The Fault in Our Stars 2: The Ebola in Our Everything
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I don't have a problem with the Ebola Czar being a non-doctor because his job isn't to tell the doctors and nurses how to handle it, that is the CDC's job. His job is to go to the hospital administrations, the airports, the airlines, etc and beat the shit out of them to get them to start paying attention. His job is to help get Congress to stop scaring the shit out of people for political gain, to know how to navigate Washington to get shit done, his job isn't to be a doctor. His job is to get the business/political side moving in the same direction. The CDC should be handling the task of working with doctors and nurses.
Having said that I don't know if I like this pick that much but I have no problem with it being someone who isn't a doctor.
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I would prefer a non-doctor. Not sure why someone would want a doctor to be in charge of logistics, how to distribute funds and management of people. This position has nothing to do with the actual treatment of patients, its a role solely responsible for taking action and "herding cats".
Let's be real... I have worked with a ton of doctors in my time. Understanding business logistics, timeliness and organization are not their forte.
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Not to mention, if there are any instances of breakdowns in electronic communication, the handwritten notes will be extremely difficult to decipher.
semantics here but...ABC News reported that #2 (Vinson) called Texas Health Officials through her job at the hospital...who may or may not have called CDC...and then gave her travel clearance.
the more i think about it, lot of blame too go around, but this hospital down in Texas and the people "in charge" down in texas are f--ing this up left and right from the get go; from how they handled the first guy (sending him home) to now weve got 2 nurses confirmed one who flew on a plane...and now hearing another one is on a cruise ship. a cruise ship! for chrissakes...are you kidding me.
at the end of the day these nurses need to all be quarantined until further notice. pay them if you have to.
Perhaps. However, if you recall, the CDC did plan on enforcing an absolute quarantine with CDC personnel checking (not self) the exposed individuals including taking their temperatures twice a day for a period of the incubation period. As you know, this did not happen. Why?
Other standard public health principles were not followed either. Why? Either the CDC is incompident or the people in authority overrode them.
Nigeria followed rigorous public health principles and killed their problem immediately.
And whose idea was it to let a community hospital with no proven competency or training handle a rare level four infectious problem when we have and had available facilities to do so? Etc., etc, etc.
A typical legal approach to the problem with deferred decision making, exhaustive research, multiple consultations, consideration of the political fallout, cover my ass if I am criticized and so forth, does not work in a medical emergency. Medical decisions have to be made immediately from available evidence, clinical experience, judgement and authority. If some lawyer decides you were wrong several months or years later so be it; but you have to do what is needed at the time and do not have the luxury of days, weeks or months to mull over your choices.
As Kelly has pointed out, he does not have the authority to play an injured if the medical staff does not clear him. Period.
The Ebola Czar must not have the authority to override a medical order. Period.
Other standard public health principles were not followed either. Why? Either the CDC is incompident or the people in authority overrode them.
Nigeria followed rigorous public health principles and killed their problem immediately.
And whose idea was it to let a community hospital with no proven competency or training handle a rare level four infectious problem when we have and had available facilities to do so? Etc., etc, etc.
A typical legal approach to the problem with deferred decision making, exhaustive research, multiple consultations, consideration of the political fallout, cover my ass if I am criticized and so forth, does not work in a medical emergency. Medical decisions have to be made immediately from available evidence, clinical experience, judgement and authority. If some lawyer decides you were wrong several months or years later so be it; but you have to do what is needed at the time and do not have the luxury of days, weeks or months to mull over your choices.
As Kelly has pointed out, he does not have the authority to play an injured if the medical staff does not clear him. Period.
The Ebola Czar must not have the authority to override a medical order. Period.
i dont recall the people at the texas hospital crying out to "come get this guy" (the first guy)out of here and into one of the bio hazard facilities.
did that happen?
IMO they knew they fucked up sending him home and made the calculation this is our mess we need to clean it up. and obviously they did not.
pride goeth before the fall...
You are absolutely correct and that is my point. Since early in the Summer, infectious disease experts have been concerned about the Ebola epidemic in Africa and have been attempting to get the resources to stop this Ebola problem at the source and develope our response. Read my first post. As a long retired pediatrician even I could see the problem and knew what needed to be done (from a public health standpoint only). We have noted the potential of this infection since the 1970's. Why no vaccine? Why no treatment?
We have warned about the possibility of infectious disease transmission via air travel. Why no protocol to deal with it? Why no protocol to deal with the absolute certain importation of Ebola?
The "oh by golley our local community hospitals are just peachy fine to deal with this and anything else" is both not true and not acceptable.
There is a joke amoung doctors. Said the surgeon, "I can start any operation." Os course he can. The skill is not in starting an operation it is finishing it correctly. The same goes for treating any medical problem.
We have other urgent national medical problems, equally serious, which are not and have not been addressed for political reasons.
So, it seems that our troops are both not well trained for this mission and are being kept "safe" in public hotels in the infected cities of Liberia.
U.S. Soldiers Get Just Four Hours of Ebola Training - The Daily Beast
U.S. Soldiers Get Just Four Hours of Ebola Training - The Daily Beast
Where’s The Surgeon General When You Need One?
By Pema Levy
Filed: 10/17/14 at 2:31 PM | Updated: 10/17/14 at 4:21 PM
2014-10-16T051705Z_2_LYNXNPEA9F051_RTROPTP_4_USA-OBAMA-EBOLA-MEETING
President Barack Obama holds a meeting with federal agencies coordinating the government’s Ebola response, on October 15, 2014. Kevin Lamarque/Reuters
AA
Filed Under: U.S., Ebola
President Barack Obama has appointed Ron Klain, former chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, to oversee the government’s Ebola response effort in the United States and West Africa, a position the media quickly dubbed the “Ebola czar.”
Klain’s new position, which the White House is calling the “Ebola response coordinator,” will be largely managerial and behind the scenes. He will report to National Security Adviser Susan Rice and Counterterrorism Adviser Lisa Monaco, according to The Associated Press.
But during public health scares like the occurrence of Ebola in the U.S., the government also needs to communicate health advice to the public. As the media—and some political candidates—stoke fears about a full-blown Ebola outbreak in the U.S., shouldn’t there be someone to tell us what’s going on?
Newsweek Magazine is Back In Print
The answer is yes. That person is the surgeon general of the United States.
The problem is, the U.S. doesn’t have a surgeon general. Last year, Obama nominated public health advocate Dr. Vivek Murthy to the position. But Republicans didn’t like Murthy, who thinks gun violence is a public health issue. A year ago he tweeted, “Tired of politicians playing politics w/ guns, putting lives at risk b/c they’re scared of NRA. Guns are a health care issue.”
That didn’t go over well with the powerful gun lobby headed by the National Rifle Association, which opposed Murthy’s nomination. Republicans who fear the NRA’s wrath opposed Murthy’s nomination, as did some red state Democrats.
Republicans also questioned Murthy’s youth (he was 36) and his obvious support for the president’s policies as head of the Obama campaign-affiliated group Doctors for Obama. Murthy’s nomination never came to a vote in the Senate, which has gone nearly a year without confirming a new surgeon general.
Today, we have an Ebola czar but no surgeon general. There is an acting surgeon general, Rear Admiral Boris Lushniak, but in light of the Ebola outbreak and panic, he hasn’t stepped up in the way a confirmed surgeon general would be expected to. The public face of the Ebola response has, instead, become Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, whose efforts have come under criticism since two nurses contracted the disease from contact with a patient being treated in Dallas.
Reassuring the nation over health issues should be the job of the surgeon general, who, as the “nation’s doctor,” is supposed to inform Americans about diseases and allay their fears about catching them.
“The surgeon general is America’s doctor, delivering information to the American people in a language they can understand,” former surgeon general Regina Benjamin told MSNBC. “Not having one right now, you don’t have that face and that person that the American people can identify with as their doctor who’s looking out for them on a large scale.”
Newsweek article.
Ain't politics wonderful? Mishandling of this mess will end up causing us Billions before this is over. How is your 401k doing this week?
By Pema Levy
Filed: 10/17/14 at 2:31 PM | Updated: 10/17/14 at 4:21 PM
2014-10-16T051705Z_2_LYNXNPEA9F051_RTROPTP_4_USA-OBAMA-EBOLA-MEETING
President Barack Obama holds a meeting with federal agencies coordinating the government’s Ebola response, on October 15, 2014. Kevin Lamarque/Reuters
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Filed Under: U.S., Ebola
President Barack Obama has appointed Ron Klain, former chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, to oversee the government’s Ebola response effort in the United States and West Africa, a position the media quickly dubbed the “Ebola czar.”
Klain’s new position, which the White House is calling the “Ebola response coordinator,” will be largely managerial and behind the scenes. He will report to National Security Adviser Susan Rice and Counterterrorism Adviser Lisa Monaco, according to The Associated Press.
But during public health scares like the occurrence of Ebola in the U.S., the government also needs to communicate health advice to the public. As the media—and some political candidates—stoke fears about a full-blown Ebola outbreak in the U.S., shouldn’t there be someone to tell us what’s going on?
Newsweek Magazine is Back In Print
The answer is yes. That person is the surgeon general of the United States.
The problem is, the U.S. doesn’t have a surgeon general. Last year, Obama nominated public health advocate Dr. Vivek Murthy to the position. But Republicans didn’t like Murthy, who thinks gun violence is a public health issue. A year ago he tweeted, “Tired of politicians playing politics w/ guns, putting lives at risk b/c they’re scared of NRA. Guns are a health care issue.”
That didn’t go over well with the powerful gun lobby headed by the National Rifle Association, which opposed Murthy’s nomination. Republicans who fear the NRA’s wrath opposed Murthy’s nomination, as did some red state Democrats.
Republicans also questioned Murthy’s youth (he was 36) and his obvious support for the president’s policies as head of the Obama campaign-affiliated group Doctors for Obama. Murthy’s nomination never came to a vote in the Senate, which has gone nearly a year without confirming a new surgeon general.
Today, we have an Ebola czar but no surgeon general. There is an acting surgeon general, Rear Admiral Boris Lushniak, but in light of the Ebola outbreak and panic, he hasn’t stepped up in the way a confirmed surgeon general would be expected to. The public face of the Ebola response has, instead, become Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, whose efforts have come under criticism since two nurses contracted the disease from contact with a patient being treated in Dallas.
Reassuring the nation over health issues should be the job of the surgeon general, who, as the “nation’s doctor,” is supposed to inform Americans about diseases and allay their fears about catching them.
“The surgeon general is America’s doctor, delivering information to the American people in a language they can understand,” former surgeon general Regina Benjamin told MSNBC. “Not having one right now, you don’t have that face and that person that the American people can identify with as their doctor who’s looking out for them on a large scale.”
Newsweek article.
Ain't politics wonderful? Mishandling of this mess will end up causing us Billions before this is over. How is your 401k doing this week?
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No shit!?
In other news:
The Big Apple
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/n...-bellevue-hospital-in-new-york-city.html?_r=1
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I was posting before I saw the NYC story.
But it's still notable that zero civilians have contacted the disease in the US. Not even Duncan's family, who lived with him while he was contagious.
And, to your point above, he was taking his temp multiple times a day. There's no need for quarantine with no fever.
But it's still notable that zero civilians have contacted the disease in the US. Not even Duncan's family, who lived with him while he was contagious.
And, to your point above, he was taking his temp multiple times a day. There's no need for quarantine with no fever.
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