Wow, FSU blasted in ESPN TMQ article

[Woneone]

From the article:

In other sports-and-society news, Notre Dame at Florida State was as exciting as collegiate athletics can be. In the run-up, there was national attention to the swirl of accusations involving Seminoles star Jameis Winston. Some of the accusations are serious, others involve alleged violations of silly NCAA rules. In any event, two stories dominated: fantastic matchup, accusations against a star.
Did any sportscaster or sportswriter mention Florida State's atrocious 58 percent football graduation rate? In the larger scheme of things, that matters far more than whether Winston was paid to sign autographs. The trivial issue got extensive attention; the educational issue was ignored.

In NCAA telecasts, each college is granted time to air an image ad. Universities can say anything they please about themselves -- there is no fact-checking. Florida State's image ad during the game showed Renegade the horse bucking. "A spirit roams these parts. A spirit of respect, competition and academic greatness," the voice-over cooed about Florida State. Then it added, "Some call our spirit myth." For instance, anyone who's seen Florida State graduation statistics!

There is no academic greatness in the Florida State football program -- not even mediocrity. Students as a whole at Florida State graduate at a 75 percent rate. The football players get special tutoring, up to five years to complete their credits and don't pay tuition. For students as a whole, running out of money is the primary barrier to graduation. Yet football players graduate at only a 58 percent rate. Even adjusting for the handful who depart early for the NFL, the Seminoles' football graduation rate ought to embarrass alums, boosters and the school's board of trustees. "Academic greatness" -- what hogwash.

Ouch...

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[Guest]

Interesting that other FSU 'laundry' is being aired as a result of the matchup. Is this the Notre Dame effect?

 

[yankeeND]

It's interesting to see that actually be news finally. Football is great, but it is college football. The missing ingredient so many times seems to be the most important, the college part. Good for them to point that out.

 

[Irishnuke]

Let's not kid ourselves. The average college football fan doesn't give a shit about graduation rates.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Interesting that other FSU 'laundry' is being aired as a result of the matchup. Is this the Notre Dame effect?

Injustice leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Some sports writers are trying to explain why the outcome of Saturday's game still isn't sitting well.

 

[ACamp1900]

Let's not kid ourselves. The average college football fan doesn't give a shit about graduation rates.

agreed... but it's sad and they should, it is COLLEGE football... if the NCAA did their damn job more fans would care at least as it much as it impacts the football team's success.

 

[MNIrishman]

Let's not kid ourselves. The average college football fan doesn't give a shit about graduation rates.

Makes me kind of sad. Graduation rate should be at the forefront of fandom at the college level. I don't think kids really represent your university if they have little expectation of ever becoming an alum. And if they don't represent your university, what's the point? Might as well root for the hired guns in the NFL.

 

[Classic Irish]

I remember watching CFB in the days when they would mention the players' majors when they presented the starting lineups at the beginning of the game. It's too bad they don't do that anymore. Of course, ESPN doesn't give a damn about the notion of student-athlete. After all, look where most of their analysts went to school (e.g. Ohio State, Florida State, Michigan, etc...).

 

[Luckylucci]

It's interesting to see that actually be news finally. Football is great, but it is college football. The missing ingredient so many times seems to be the most important, the college part. Good for them to point that out.

I really wish somebody would've called Jimbo on this after the game when he basically lied to America about the academic excellence of his program.

 

[irishog77]

Easterbrook does a good job talking about academics and legitimate student-athletes.

Him bringing this up about fsu is par-for-the-course in his columns.

 

[IrishLax]

Let's not kid ourselves. The average college football fan doesn't give a shit about graduation rates.

Absolutely Nuke. There is surely a percentage that does, but when looking at top 300 prospects I'd say it's likely in the 30%-40% range that care at all about those statistics, and maybe only half of those guys put serious weight in academics.

 

[Rack Em]

Absolutely Nuke. There is surely a percentage that does, but when looking at top 300 prospects I'd say it's likely in the 30%-40% range that care at all about those statistics, and maybe only half of those guys put serious weight in academics.

Nuke was talking about fans. But you're both right.

 

[yankeeND]

Nuke was talking about fans. But you're both right.

This.

Have any of you ever read the Blue Board on 247? If those are typical college football fans, the world is doomed. Horrible human beings on way too many instances. It is the ultimate troll paradise.

 

[phillyirish]

Cool an all, but lets be real ESPN does seem to have some hate vendetta against FSU. Why not point at the SEC rates? Bama struggles to break 70% and Ole Miss is worse than FSU

 

[palinurus]

Let's not kid ourselves. The average college football fan doesn't give a shit about graduation rates.

Yeah, I agree. I mean, I am proud of Notre Dame's academic record and think it helps us with certain kids and their families (even as it hurts us with others and is a subject for negative-recruiting coaches), but this isn't The College Bowl (College Bowl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). ND needs to be good at academics and kick their asses on the field.

Sounds like deflection whenever I hear a fan of good school say, "well, we actually graduate our players." I know, I know. If everyone HAD to pass a standardized test to stay eligible and then the schools played with who passed, ND would be national champs many years; that's not the world we live in. That ship sailed when pro football became a money cow.

 

[ickythump1225]

The Tallahassee Police Department is investigating an alleged domestic assault involving Florida State running back Karlos Williams, the agency said in a news release issued Monday.

Williams, a senior from Davenport, Florida, is being investigated for allegedly assaulting his girlfriend, who lives with him and is pregnant with the couple's second child, according to people familiar with the investigation.

Florida State Seminoles running back Karlos Williams is being investigated for alleged domestic assault - ESPN

Of course this Dumbo's response:

"There's another false report, and that's amazing how things happen," Fisher told reporters. "Whoever has sources, whoever has rumors, needs to check who they are talking to -- because that is about as far from truth as there is."

Fisher also said: "It's funny. That guy, who's a tremendous kid, a tremendous ambassador, I don't even know where that [suspension report] would come from. It kind of caught me off guard like 'Whoa.' Karlos has been wonderful."

They really are the Criminoles. They make the SEC look like choirboys.

 

[ACamp1900]

That can't be his actual response.....

 

[ickythump1225]

That can't be his actual response.....

Sadly it is.

 

[NDTH91]

Seriously unbelievable. PLEASE let one of these kids get convicted with some hard evidence so we can see Jimbo say "well idk where that evidence came from because I know this kid, and he's just wonderful."

Getting harder and harder to wrap my head around what's going on down there.

 

[irishfan]

That can't be his actual response.....

That was his response on Friday. Looks like the story got out, so I'm sure he'll backtrack now.

 

[clashmore_mike]

That was his response on Friday. Looks like the story got out, so I'm sure he'll backtrack now.

Canceled his after practice media session for tonight...

 

[Luckylucci]

He is digging a pretty deep grave for himself.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Check out @DanWolken's Tweet: https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/526873846054260736?s=09

 

[TheChosen1]

Karlos Williams: Florida State RB Under Investigation For Alleged Domestic Battery | The Big Lead

Contains the alleged pictures.

 

[IrishLax]

If FSU didn't have "interim" people at the top and a young AD in his first major gig, Jimbo Fisher would've already have been fired.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Honestly, fuck these guys.

 

[Cackalacky]

Check out @DanWolken's Tweet: https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/526873846054260736?s=09

Those are some low expectations. I assume that is Patrick's mom?

 

[SoJerseyIrish]

They may only graduate 57% but their arrest percentage has to be up there in the top 5.

Jimbo is joke, he is crossing into Bobby Petrino territory IMO.

 

[SoJerseyIrish]

Those are some low expectations. I assume that is Patrick's mom?

Maybe she expects her son to get in trouble as well and wants a coach who will cover for him?

 

[Cackalacky]

Maybe she expects her son to get in trouble as well and wants a coach who will cover for him?

Thats what I took it to mean. No matter how bad it is, this guy will defend my boy. SMH....