Post Game Observations (Florida State '14)

[North Buffalo Irish]

Am i having a mental block? When was Golsons 2nd INT ESPN keeps talking about? Are they counting the ball he threw up at the end?

Yeah, I guess the 4th down was intercepted. I thought the FSU defender was out of the end zone but he may have gotten a foot in.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I think what would calm everybody down and pep everybody up from an excruciating, last second loss is if we can get some posts to tell us how well ND looked and that they belong near the top of the polls.

I think it would calm me down if I drove into a lake.

 

[irishog77]

ND is a top-5 team in the country. Proud as fuck of our guys.

Florida State couldn't beat us, and needed the refs to do it for them. We went there and proved everything we needed to prove.

I wish General Sherman would come back and set fire to the south again. Backwards assed motherfuckers.

Solid post. Thanks for taking the time to share this with us all.

 

[Grahambo]

Actually, this look shows that Fuller(not Prosise) was obviously blocking downfield, which is Pass Interference. You can see Fuller's right elbow come up as he and the defender lock up, leveraging the defender so that he cannot get outside to make a play on the ball.

You mean the part when Darby engaged Fuller after he began his 'slant'? Whats Fuller supposed to do? Stop running in his tracks?

 

[GATTACA!]

Our last play after the bogus PI call. When he threw the ball his arm was hit and the ball sailed into the middle of the endzone where a FSU player casually caught it...

I could have swore that guy was out of the back of the endzone

 

[BGIF]

Tell me again how its a call on Prosise. Ramsey grabs the back of Prosise.

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Wrong player. Justifiable call.

Prosise, #20, was jammed at the LOS and pushed, fought his man into the endzone. I think one can weakly argue he was blocking but he was jammed and remained entangled with that defender. IF Prosise WAS blocking he did it with finesse.

So where's the foul?

Tell me about Fuller, #7, on this play.

Watch Fuller and the defender become "entangled", be a jam or a block, as he and Prosise together wall off the third defender who is supposed to covering Robinson as well as the two guys covering them.

Continue to watch him as Fuller engages his man AND TURNS HIS HEAD TO WATCH THE PLAY. Sorry but Fuller played his hand poorly. "Receivers" trying to get open, fight to get free and look for the ball. I see no attempt to disengage to get free TO BE A POTENTIAL RECEIVER but worse I see a blocker looking for his ball carrier NOT for the ball. Fuller's head turn sells that his function was blocking.

It was a well designed play executed well by QB and WR. Unfortunately one of the actors in the play overplayed his part, tipping off the ref who has a clear line of sight to him and sees the blocker turning his eyes toward the actual receiver (in line with the ref, eyeball to eyeball) and NOT looking toward the QB to find the ball which is what a receiver would do.

If the ref called the foul on 20 he had the wrong number but right foul. Refs calling a false start or a hold on the wrong OL or RB doesn't overturn a flag on technical grounds.

 

[Irish2155]

Well, time to move on, regroup, take one game at a time, and get ready for Navy in two weeks. There's no shame in being 6-1. There's a lot of football still to be played, and I think we have a great shot at winning out.

If we win out we'll be National Champs.

 

[kmoose]

I certainly can. The defender initiated contact and held it through the play. Let's assume someone jumped that route against CRob and Golson tried to hit Procise in the slot. Would you still think that was an offensive PI? Do you think they would have thrown the flag on Procise or Ramsey?

I'm not ignoring your posts. Someone has to correct your mistakes.

The PI call was against Fuller, not Prosise, but keep on correcting away...

 

[IrishinSyria]

I certainly can. The defender initiated contact and held it through the play. Let's assume someone jumped that route against CRob and Golson tried to hit Procise in the slot. Would you still think that was an offensive PI? Do you think they would have thrown the flag on Procise or Ramsey?

I'm not ignoring your posts. Someone has to correct your mistakes.

That's a great analysis of a penalty that wasn't called. The penalty was on Fuller though, so it seems kind of pointless.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I could have swore that guy was out of the back of the endzone

Pretty sure the endzone doesn't stop at the white line, but at the end of the red. That's where the orange cones were

 

[Wild Bill]

The PI call was against Fuller, not Prosise, but keep on correcting away...

There were actually TWO guys blocking while the ball was in the air, over there.

Was this in your OP? Who was the other guy, if not Procise?

And I just watched the replay of Fuller. He's clean too.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Was this in your OP? Who was the other guy, if not Procise?

Fuller

 

[kmoose]

You mean the part when Darby engaged Fuller after he began his 'slant'? Whats Fuller supposed to do? Stop running in his tracks?

If he were trying to get open, and not to block the defender, stopping in his tracks would be better than continuing the contact, don't you think?

What no one is acknowledging here, either, is that this was not the last play of the game. ND still had one more chance......... execute that better, and the tick tack call means nothing.

 

[NDPhilly]

I listened to it again and the ref said #7

 

[Wild Bill]

Fuller

Our post game savant said there were two. Fuller and someone else. I'm curious who, if not procise.

 

[Grahambo]

Wrong player. Justifiable call.

Prosise, #20, was jammed at the LOS and pushed, fought his man into the endzone. I think one can weakly argue he was blocking but he was jammed and remained entangled with that defender. IF Prosise WAS blocking he did it with finesse.

So where's the foul?

Tell me about Fuller, #7, on this play.

Watch Fuller and the defender become "entangled", be a jam or a block, as he and Prosise together wall off the third defender who is supposed to covering Robinson as well as the two guys covering them.

Continue to watch him as Fuller engages his man AND TURNS HIS HEAD TO WATCH THE PLAY. Sorry but Fuller played his hand poorly. "Receivers" trying to get open, fight to get free and look for the ball. I see no attempt to disengage to get free TO BE A POTENTIAL RECEIVER but worse I see a blocker looking for his ball carrier NOT for the ball. Fuller's head turn sells that his function was blocking.

It was a well designed play executed well by QB and WR. Unfortunately one of the actors in the play overplayed his part, tipping off the ref who has a clear line of sight to him and sees the blocker turning his eyes toward the actual receiver (in line with the ref, eyeball to eyeball) and NOT looking toward the QB to find the ball which is what a receiver would do.

If the ref called the foul on 20 he had the wrong number but right foul. Refs calling a false start or a hold on the wrong OL or RB doesn't overturn a flag on technical grounds.

Herbie said he thinks the call was on #20 which is why people are analyzing that block the most. Fowler says they flagged Fuller.

Since some insist it was called on Fuller then he's still being interfered with. As Fuller slants, Darby puts his hands out to stop Fuller. Where Fuller's head turns should not matter. He can turn his head wherever he needs to. The ref can't tell Fuller where his head should be in order to be perceived as a receiver. He's a receiver who attempted to run a 'slant'. Darby engaged and stopped the route. The third defender attempted to cover Fuller on the route as well. It was a busted assignment by FSU.

 

[Wild Bill]

If he were trying to get open, and not to block the defender, stopping in his tracks would be better than continuing the contact, don't you think?

What no one is acknowledging here, either, is that this was not the last play of the game. ND still had one more chance......... execute that better, and the tick tack call means nothing.

No. The DB can't impede his progress. He has a right to run.

 

[kmoose]

Was this in your OP? Who was the other guy, if not Procise?

And I just watched the replay of Fuller. He's clean too.

Your time would be better spent, whining elsewhere. And, Mr. Correction.... it's Prosise, not Procise. Thanks for playing, though.

 

[Grahambo]

If he were trying to get open, and not to block the defender, stopping in his tracks would be better than continuing the contact, don't you think?

What no one is acknowledging here, either, is that this was not the last play of the game. ND still had one more chance......... execute that better, and the tick tack call means nothing.

I was surprised that nobody attempted to use the middle of the field on the final play as it was wide open. They all just kinda ran into the end zone. If CJ breaks inside on the safety instead of out, he's got a real chance at the ball.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Riddickulous]

If our OL continues to play like it did tonight, this offense is going to be an absolute blast to watch down the stretch.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

If our OL continues to play like it did tonight, this offense is going to be an absolute blast to watch down the stretch.

All leading up to missing the playoffs!

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Wrong player. Justifiable call.

Prosise, #20, was jammed at the LOS and pushed, fought his man into the endzone. I think one can weakly argue he was blocking but he was jammed and remained entangled with that defender. IF Prosise WAS blocking he did it with finesse.

So where's the foul?

Tell me about Fuller, #7, on this play.

Watch Fuller and the defender become "entangled", be a jam or a block, as he and Prosise together wall off the third defender who is supposed to covering Robinson as well as the two guys covering them.

Continue to watch him as Fuller engages his man AND TURNS HIS HEAD TO WATCH THE PLAY. Sorry but Fuller played his hand poorly. "Receivers" trying to get open, fight to get free and look for the ball. I see no attempt to disengage to get free TO BE A POTENTIAL RECEIVER but worse I see a blocker looking for his ball carrier NOT for the ball. Fuller's head turn sells that his function was blocking.

It was a well designed play executed well by QB and WR. Unfortunately one of the actors in the play overplayed his part, tipping off the ref who has a clear line of sight to him and sees the blocker turning his eyes toward the actual receiver (in line with the ref, eyeball to eyeball) and NOT looking toward the QB to find the ball which is what a receiver would do.

If the ref called the foul on 20 he had the wrong number but right foul. Refs calling a false start or a hold on the wrong OL or RB doesn't overturn a flag on technical grounds.

If the call was on Fuller then it is more inexcusable...absolute bullshit call. Darby jumps the inside and Fuller runs into him. Look..we lost because of a bullshit call..nothing we can do about it now. It wasn't the right call. Period.

 

[IrishinSyria]

If he were trying to get open, and not to block the defender, stopping in his tracks would be better than continuing the contact, don't you think?

What no one is acknowledging here, either, is that this was not the last play of the game. ND still had one more chance......... execute that better, and the tick tack call means nothing.

eh, there were places for better execution but 4th and and goal from the 20 is a pretty hopeless play. You can't stretch the D deep and you can't go short so you pretty much need them to seriously fuck up.

The outcome is unfortunate, crushing even. However, there's a lot to be excited about. This team is f*cking legit. They outgained the Criminoles by 150 yards. They will only get better. If they win out, they have a strong shot at the playoffs, and hopefully another chance to take Jameis down before the police do.

 

[Wild Bill]

Your time would be better spent, whining elsewhere. And, Mr. Correction.... it's Prosise, not Procise. Thanks for playing, though.

Yes, this is about name spelling and not football.

I'm correcting someone that knows little to nothing about football, not whining.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

If our OL continues to play like it did tonight, this offense is going to be an absolute blast to watch down the stretch.

I was pleasantly surprised by them tonight. They controlled the line for much of the game against the likes of Williams and Goldman

 

[stlnd01]

You know what? We went into a nasty-ass stadium tonight and went toe-to-toe with the undefeated defending national champions for 60 minutes, and it took a lights-out second half by the best player in college football (and enabled maybe rapist) and a questionable penalty in the final minute to beat us.
I don't think our guys have anything to be ashamed of. And I dearly hope they play as well as they're capable of the rest of the way. Because if they do, they'll get another shot at Florida State, or whoever beats them, to win a national championship.

 

[Irish2155]

Seeing him smile makes me want to puke.

I have a feeling we'll see his smile again...

 

[kmoose]

I was surprised that nobody attempted to use the middle of the field on the final play as it was wide open. They all just kinda ran into the end zone. If CJ breaks inside on the safety instead of out, he's got a real chance at the ball.

I was surprised that BK didn't roll Golson out, and put the pressure of him running on the defense. If EG gets outside of the tackles, then the DBs have to choose whether to come up and guard against him running, or stay back and cover their zone. Roll him out and give him a run/pass option. If he fumbles, who cares? It's the last play of the game. I also did not understand why they burned the last timeout after an incomplete pass.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I think Everett was pretty limited after he came back from the lockerroom. Something to monitor going forward. But I don't think he was capable of running around a lot on that last play.