US troops to fight Ebola Virus.

[pkt77242]

If the congresspeople of the US are not already taking Ebola seriously, then me, little nobody from Michigan with no money ties or lobbying power, sending my little e-mail is going to do nothing to dissuade them.

You, by yourself nope. You plus thousands of other "nobodies", yes.

 

[ginman]

As I mentioned, the only possible control is quarantine, which requires an enforcing authority. In this case, it will require quarantining at least three whole countries or it won't work.

Quinnastic: supplying information is necessary to overcome resistance. If you read through the posts you will see that some think helping these people is too expensive and/or is someone else's responsibility or isn't necessary. This is the same attitude expressed in the general public newspapers, blogs and (conservative) radio shows. I have been reading medicinal journals and I can assure you the people in the know are scared shitless, and close to a state of panic. The public must get behind this effort before millions are killed and it spreads around the world.
We have never had an urban Ebola epidemic. The closest things in history are the influenza epidemics of the early 20th century, the cholera epidemics of the 19th century, the smallpox and measles decimation of the Native American population and the medieval plague epidemics.
We made many of the same mistakes in the aids epidemic and we are at 40,000,000 deaths and counting.
I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I am afraid I am not.

With all due respect, I would find your arguments more persuasive if you didn't present your position as the truth. You appear to have many credentials in pediatrics and I appreciate the work you have done. However, because you feel that you are right on the subject does not make it so. There are many intelligent people on this board and because they don't agree with you does not warrant your being condescending. It is not useful in creating a dialogue. I think everyone wants to control this problem but there are different thoughts on how to do so. As I stated before, if this is a world crisis than the world should be involved in providing resources- money and soldiers to combat the problem, not just the US. That is not the same as saying that it is too expensive or unnecessary or not important to do.

 

[johnnycando]

If the congresspeople of the US are not already taking Ebola seriously, then me, little nobody from Michigan with no money ties or lobbying power, sending my little e-mail is going to do nothing to dissuade them.

We the PEOPLE, for the PEOPLE.

"What do we want? We want War. Standing on the edge of a revolution." Nickelback - Edge of a Revolution Lyrics - YouTube

It's happened before.

If they don't listen, we can make sure they listen...

 

[Quinntastic]

Lemme just grab my pitchfork and let's go storm Capitol Hill!!

 

[woolybug25]

So it's gone from "Pretty much everything you wrote is factually incorrect" to "the two items are incorrect".

No typing out his resume doesn't make you less right ... your own statements did.

Catchy comment, I especially enjoyed the three periods meant to emphasize your deep and thoughtful pause. lol

But what part of the bolded "pretty much" didn't catch for you? There were only a few statements in the original post and two of them were factually incorrect. I would say "pretty much all" is a pretty accurate description.

 

[irishog77]

We the PEOPLE, for the PEOPLE.

"What do we want? We want War. Standing on the edge of a revolution." Nickelback - Edge of a Revolution Lyrics - YouTube

It's happened before.

If they don't listen, we can make sure they listen...

Neg reps for Nickleback.

 

[Cackalacky]

The Mathematics of Ebola Trigger Stark Warnings: Act Now or Regret It | WIRED

The Eurosurveillance paper, by two researchers from the University of Tokyo and Arizona State University, attempts to derive what the reproductive rate has been in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. (Note for actual epidemiology geeks: The calculation is for the effective reproductive number, pegged to a point in time, hence actually Rt.) They come up with an R of at least 1, and in some cases 2; that is, at certain points, sick persons have caused disease in two others.

You can see how that could quickly get out of hand, and in fact, that is what the researchers predict. Here is their stop-you-in-your-tracks assessment:

In a worst-case hypothetical scenario, should the outbreak continue with recent trends, the case burden could gain an additional 77,181 to 277,124 cases by the end of 2014.

That is a jaw-dropping number.

Like Besser, Osterholm says that the speed, size and organization of the response that is needed demands a governmental investment, but he looks beyond the US government alone:

We need someone to take over the position of “command and control.” The United Nations is the only international organization that can direct the immense amount of medical, public health and humanitarian aid that must come from many different countries and nongovernmental groups to smother this epidemic. Thus far it has played at best a collaborating role, and with everyone in charge, no one is in charge.

A Security Council resolution could give the United Nations total responsibility for controlling the outbreak, while respecting West African nations’ sovereignty as much as possible. The United Nations could, for instance, secure aircraft and landing rights…

The United Nations should provide whatever number of beds are needed; the World Health Organization has recommended 1,500, but we may need thousands more. It should also coordinate the recruitment and training around the world of medical and nursing staff, in particular by bringing in local residents who have survived Ebola, and are no longer at risk of infection. Many countries are pledging medical resources, but donations will not result in an effective treatment system if no single group is responsible for coordinating them.

I’ve spent enough time around public health people, in the US and in the field, to understand that they prefer to express themselves conservatively. So when they indulge in apocalyptic language, it is unusual, and notable.

When one of the most senior disease detectives in the US begins talking about “plague,” knowing how emotive that word can be, and another suggests calling out the military, it is time to start paying attention.

 

[BGIF]

On the Discovery Channel now

On the Discovery Channel now

Ebola: Inside the Deadly Outreak

On the Discovery Channel Now. Repeats in an hour.


Ebola: Are We Next? Saving Dr Brantley. Starts in 6 minutes

 

[BobD]

There are already too many things going around that can kill you. My doctor gave up shaking hands about two years ago. I think I'm going to try it. I go through vats of hand sanitizer and I've got my assistant in the habit of cleaning the office phones once a week with alcohol wipes.

 

[ginman]

Murder of 8 Aide workers in Guinea:

Why the brutal murder of several Ebola workers may hint at more violence to come - The Washington Post

 

[Quinntastic]

Had a meeting with my boss (the Microbiology director of our hospital) and his boss (the Infectious Disease specialist (MD) of our hospital) regarding Ebola testing. I asked them both, frankly, how scared we should be about Ebola in the United States. Both of them merely shrugged and said, "It would be on the same level as MERS and SARS , but not near as bad as AIDS, the black plague, or the spanish flu" which was all I needed to hear.

Basically it's not something to ignore, it will be serious if it gets a foothold in the US, but that is not expected to happen with everyone already on high alert for the disease.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Since it's not been mentioned yet [I think], I'll give my usual cynical rant on this: we act when it's viewed in OUR best interest, and that almost always is our ECONOMIC interest. Translation: in world affairs, FOLLOW THE MONEY. Why ever is China, that famed bastion of altruism, actively involved in these matters?

What economic interest one might ask? Liberia is infamous as the phony port-of-ownership of a huge number of cargo ships. "Liberian" ships haul heavy cargo all over the planet, very much including the US. What might we get from say a Congolese ship docking in New Orleans, or wherever? The nation of Zaire and its neighbor Zambia hold the bulk of copper and cobalt and some third metal that escapes me at the moment which the US has access to and buys profligately. Hmmmm..... could THAT interest anyone in power [or their "private" military-industrial funders]? And does South Africa play in this as well?

.... follow the money, folks; follow the money. Hard as it is for me to swallow, I doubt that any priority agenda here is humanitarian.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>CDC confirms Dallas patient has tested positive for Ebola. <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSDFW">@CBSDFW</a></p>— Andrea Lucia (@CBS11Andrea) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBS11Andrea/status/517050598689353728">September 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>LRT: That's the first case of Ebola in the US from someone who came here undiagnosed.</p>— Barrett Sallee (@BarrettSallee) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarrettSallee/status/517052308534751233">September 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>CDC confirms Dallas patient has tested positive for Ebola. <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSDFW">@CBSDFW</a></p>— Andrea Lucia (@CBS11Andrea) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBS11Andrea/status/517050598689353728">September 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Well it was nice knowing y'all.

 

[Cali_domer]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>CDC confirms Dallas patient has tested positive for Ebola. <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSDFW">@CBSDFW</a></p>— Andrea Lucia (@CBS11Andrea) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBS11Andrea/status/517050598689353728">September 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>LRT: That's the first case of Ebola in the US from someone who came here undiagnosed.</p>— Barrett Sallee (@BarrettSallee) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarrettSallee/status/517052308534751233">September 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Not good.

 

[BGIF]

CDC press conference at 5:30 pm eastern.

 

[BGIF]

Patient traveled from Liberia on 9/19 or 9/20 per CNN.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Patient traveled from Liberia on 9/19 or 9/20 per CNN.

10-11 days ago? I thought Ebola manifests much more quickly than that. Who knows how many Americans this guy was in contact with during that period?

 

[BobD]

10-11 days ago? I thought Ebola manifests much more quickly than that. Who knows how many Americans this guy was in contact with during that period?

I thought I read somewhere it could be 24 days

 

[ResLife Hero]

I thought I read somewhere it could be 24 days

21 days is considered the maximum incubation period. I'm quickly trying to become an expert on this shit.

 

[Woneone]

10-11 days ago? I thought Ebola manifests much more quickly than that. Who knows how many Americans this guy was in contact with during that period?

From the CDC website -

The incubation period, or the time interval from infection to onset of symptoms, is from 2 to 21 days. The patients become contagious once they begin to show symptoms. They are not contagious during the incubation period.

Guh, in any case, not good.

 

[BGIF]

10-11 days ago? I thought Ebola manifests much more quickly than that. Who knows how many Americans this guy was in contact with during that period?

That's what Sanjay Gupta told Wolf Blitzer.

The patient developed symptoms a few days later concerned about possible Ebola. The patient was put in isolation on Sunday.

 

[BGIF]

CDC on now

 

[BGIF]

9/19 Pt left Liberia
9/20 arrived US
9/24 felt ill
9/26 sought medical assistance
9/28 admitted to hospital and placed in isolation.

Diagnosis confirmed by TX state health lab and CDC lab.

Incubation 2-21 days.

Pt not a threat to others until exhibiting symptoms such as fever.

Dr. Thomas Friden, Director CDC, downplayed threat to fellow air travelers as Pt didn't exhibit symptoms until 4 days later.

Dr at Texas hospital said family members being monitored.

Dr. at hospital declined specific info about pt symptoms, etc citing pt confidentiality.

 

[BGIF]

Pt was in US visiting family members who live in this country.

Dr. Friden did not identify flight number despite a couple of reporters requesting it. He responded that CDC will notify people that they think might be endangered. He reiterated that there is no concern for people in contact prior to exhibiting systems.

CDC has a team in route to Texas to assist local and state medical personnel.

 

[johnnycando]

Pt was in US visiting family members who live in this country.

Dr. Friden did not identify flight number despite a couple of reporters requesting it. He responded that CDC will notify people that they think might be endangered. He reiterated that there is no concern for people in contact prior to exhibiting systems.

CDC has a team in route to Texas to assist local and state medical personnel.

The beginning of the end.

Boys and girls: keep away.

Only known vector are people.

Look out for each other.

 

[BGIF]

Dr Friden says that air travelers from West Africa are screened for fever and do not fly with a fever.

CNN's Gupta raised question to Blitzer about the people in contact with patient between 9/24 when feeling ill and 9/28 when placed in isolation. He noted CDC said tracking was being done with family but they made no mention of others like the initial medical personnel to see the pt.


CDC downplayed concern about spread, I suspect trying to avoid panic. Blitzer was somewhat alarmist to me.

 

[johnnycando]

Dr Friden says that air travelers from West Africa are screened for fever and do not fly with a fever.

CNN's Gupta raised question to Blitzer about the people in contact with patient between 9/24 when feeling ill and 9/28 when placed in isolation. He noted CDC said tracking was being done with family but they made no mention of others like the initial medical personnel to see the pt.


CDC downplayed concern about spread, I suspect trying to avoid panic. Blitzer was somewhat alarmist to me.

For the CDC to make a PC, things are bad.

#GeorgiaGuidestones

 

[IrishLax]

Serious question... why is there not a travel ban on the sensitive African countries right now?

 

[BGIF]

Serious question... why is there not a travel ban on the sensitive African countries right now?

We can't/don't control our borders with all our resources and you think third world countries can?

Who proclaims it?

Who enforces it?