'13 FL RB Greg Bryant (R.I.P.)

[koonja]

The you're just letting talent rot away on the bench. Cam is the most consistent back of the 3. Yeah, he might not be the most "flashy" but we all know he is gonna get the job done when he is called upon. You can't teach consistency.

Agree to disagree, but I think you have that backwards. The talent is Bryant and Folston IMO, who are spending too much time on the bench.

I have as much faith in Folson's consitency as I do Cam's. And if Bryant gets enough carries, I'd feel the same with him. It's not like Folston is out there dropping balls, fumbling, and getting Golson killed. Folston is just as consistent as Cam.

 

[wizards8507]

Same with Folston IMO, who I think we agree is a better runner than Cam.

I don't agree. Folston dances too much in the backfield and that puts him at risk for big losses. His shiftiness is what makes him dangerous to hit a "home run," but he needs to get a bit better of an understanding of when a 1-yard gain is as good as you're going to get, especially on second down. If it's 2nd and 7, the difference between +1 yard and -3 yards makes a huge difference in your 3rd down play calling.

 

[arrowryan]

Agree to disagree, but I think you have that backwards. The talent is Bryant and Folston IMO, who are spending too much time on the bench.

I have as much faith in Folson's consitency as I do Cam's. And if Bryant gets enough carries, I'd feel the same with him. It's not like Folston is out there dropping balls, fumbling, and getting Golson killed. Folston is just as consistent as Cam.

I understand what you're saying, but BK just can't bench someone like Cam especially when he has the C on his jersey.

Tarean has the the most carries out of the 3 and Cam only has 3 more carries than Greg, so they must not be spending too much time on the bench

 

[Buster Bluth]

IMO, you don't have to do something wrong to lose your place in college sports. If someone more talented than you comes along that can help the team win more than you can, your role should be reduced.

We've got a lot of horsepower in Folston and Bryant. Time to let them gallop.

You don't think Brian Kelly isn't thinking that? He is. He just doesn't have an ab fetish.

 

[koonja]

You don't think Brian Kelly isn't thinking that? He is. He just doesn't have an ab fetish.

Thanks the the rip. Speaking of consitency, you never fail to take your cheap shots, lol.

IDK what he's thinking, but he seems to be concerned with keeping it even, and I think it's time for that to change in this situation.

 

[PANDFAN]

The you're just letting talent rot away on the bench. Cam is the most consistent back of the 3. Yeah, he might not be the most "flashy" but we all know he is gonna get the job done when he is called upon. You can't teach consistency.

Greg has been the top rusher with 119 yards and 5.4 yards per carry, compared to classmate Tarean Folston’s 110 yards and 3.7 figures and senior captain Cam McDaniel’s 97 and 3.9 in the three-man rotation

 

[arrowryan]

Greg has been the top rusher with 119 yards and 5.4 yards per carry, compared to classmate Tarean Folston’s 110 yards and 3.7 figures and senior captain Cam McDaniel’s 97 and 3.9 in the three-man rotation

Understood. But 71 of those yards came against a really bad Rice defense; he wasn't nearly as good against UM and Purdue (I know the o-line played like garbage those games).

I think both Greg and Tarean are both very talented runners, but just benching a captain is beyond me.

 

[PANDFAN]

Understood. But 71 of those yards came against a really bad Rice defense; he wasn't nearly as good against UM and Purdue (I know the o-line played like garbage those games).

I think both Greg and Tarean are both very talented runners, but just benching a captain is beyond me.

every time greg has touched the ball he has turned it into something...even on a play against michigan which should have been at least a negative play, he turns it into a 2 yarder

 

[IrishLion]

This wouldn't be a debate if not for the inconsistent run blocking we've seen through the first three games.

If the OL were operating at a higher level (or against a less-crowded defense in the box), all three guys would have plenty of production and plenty of chances to become the "hot hand."

Also, I'm sick of hearing about how opposing teams have nothing to fear from Cam. How many times does the guy need to:

1.) explode around the end or through the lane
2.) get 4+ extra yards after contact
3.) make someone look foolish with an open field cut
4.) make a tackler look foolish with an end-of-run stiffarm

before people realize he's not some athletic after-thought?

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Understood. But 71 of those yards came against a really bad Rice defense; he wasn't nearly as good against UM and Purdue (I know the o-line played like garbage those games).

I think both Greg and Tarean are both very talented runners, but just benching a captain is beyond me.

I dont have a side on this, whatever the coaches want is what they'll do...

However, the 71 yards against the Rice defense that GB had was the same Rice defense for Folston and Cam...

 

[Blaise]

So we keep playing Cam cause he has a C? nah... I go with the explosive runners... Folston and Bryant should get most carries.. Cam should be third down back at most

 

[Irish8248]

Cam is fucking consistent, dependable, and CLUTCH ... Until your play (not flashes or potential talent) outweighs that factor, keep this 3 headed monster rolling with the hot hand getting the lions share. Cam doesn't go right on the goal line when the play is left... Forgivable rookie mistake but that's why Cam is staying ahead

 

[wizards8507]

Cam is fucking consistent, dependable, and CLUTCH ... Until your play (not flashes or potential talent) outweighs that factor, keep this 3 headed monster rolling with the hot hand getting the lions share. Cam doesn't go right on the goal line when the play is left... Forgivable rookie mistake but that's why Cam is staying ahead

Everyone keeps harping on Cam's consistency, but I'd frankly much rather have a featured back who is occasionally brilliant than one who is consistently pretty good.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Everyone keeps harping on Cam's consistency, but I'd frankly much rather have a featured back who is occasionally brilliant than one who is consistently pretty good.

Respectfully, I think that's the opposite of what any successful coach/GM in sports values. I've personally had a conversation with an MLB GM who said that very thing.

I think it's likely that Bryant just hasn't separated himself from the pack, as much as we'd all like to see that.

 

[Wild Bill]

Everyone keeps harping on Cam's consistency, but I'd frankly much rather have a featured back who is occasionally brilliant than one who is consistently pretty good.

We're winning games with EG's arm, not GB's legs (or any other back). If the opposite were true, I'd agree with you. But if we're going to win with EG's arm, you have to give consistency stronger consideration - which back is less likely to dick things up for EG and which back is most likely to protect him in the pocket.

 

[koonja]

Someone point out Folston's inconsistencies to me.

 

[NCND]

1. Bryant 2. Folston 3. Cam.

 

[PANDFAN]

Someone point out Folston's inconsistencies to me.

i will say, to me...he has been the least impressive thus far...w/ how he looked last year vs this year...i realize the line has issues this year, but he has been running too east/west and not enough north/south for me...

 

[Irish8248]

Shiny new toy syndrome...

 

[koonja]

Shiny new toy syndrome...

Nobody's calling for Brent/Holmes to start playing because our experienced WRs are average. So I don't think it's that at all.

It's that Bryant/Folston IMO are superior runners and the consistent label sticks well to Cam, but Bryant and especially Folston have been consistent as well.

 

[greyhammer90]

The issue I have with all this hyperbole is that I really have yet to see ANY of our running backs make a run that any of the others couldn't do. I just don't see the hype.

 

[pkt77242]

Everyone keeps harping on Cam's consistency, but I'd frankly much rather have a featured back who is occasionally brilliant than one who is consistently pretty good.

So you want GA3?

 

[IRISH in MT]

Both Bryant and Folston have ankle breaking cutting ability. I like Bryant because he hits the hole. Folston seems to dance and wait for the perfect hole. Folston did seem to run harder against Purdue. Cam is our 4th quarter, move the chains, don't fumble the ball put the game away running back. That isn't saying he is a mop up duty RB, that is a compliment to the solid rock he is.

 

[Wild Bill]

Nobody's calling for Brent/Holmes to start playing because our experienced WRs are average. So I don't think it's that at all.

It's that Bryant/Folston IMO are superior runners and the consistent label sticks well to Cam, but Bryant and especially Folston have been consistent as well.

Bryant went the wrong way on a run against Rice and committed an inexcusable penalty against Purdue. That's enough to make a difference in a tight race.

Folston did nothing against Purdue that made me think he's superior to Cam. I would agree that he has more talent, but he's just not playing better right now.

It's hard to pick up on RB inconsistencies watching a game on television. You need the play call and a tight film of the game to see them.

 

[koonja]

Bryant went the wrong way on a run against Rice and committed an inexcusable penalty against Purdue. That's enough to make a difference in a tight race.

Folston did nothing against Purdue that made me think he's superior to Cam. I would agree that he has more talent, but he's just not playing better right now.

It's hard to pick up on RB inconsistencies watching a game on television. You need the play call and a tight film of the game to see them.

Are you talking about when he was called for false start for leaning forward as the snap came? That's not an inexcusable penalty IMO. An inexcusable penalty is something that's a mental lapse. Being excited isn't that IMO. So Bryant went the wrong way once, big deal. It's not like he has a track record of that. Doesn't fumble either, which is true for all the RBs.

 

[IrishLion]

Both Bryant and Folston have ankle breaking cutting ability. I like Bryant because he hits the hole. Folston seems to dance and wait for the perfect hole. Folston did seem to run harder against Purdue. Cam is our 4th quarter, move the chains, don't fumble the ball put the game away running back. That isn't saying he is a mop up duty RB, that is a compliment to the solid rock he is.

Cam McDaniel wants a word, after having been left out of the "ankle-breaking" discussion:

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The two runs starting at 1:34.

 

[Irish8248]

We're 3 - 0 with an ass kicking to Michigan - life is good, BKs plan is clearly working

 

[Wild Bill]

Are you talking about when he was called for false start for leaning forward as the snap came? That's not an inexcusable penalty IMO. An inexcusable penalty is something that's a mental lapse. Being excited isn't that IMO. So Bryant went the wrong way once, big deal. It's not like he has a track record of that. Doesn't fumble either, which is true for all the RBs.

He didn't know the count or he didn't care to listen to the cadence. It's a mental mistake. Period.

It wasn't a big deal b/c EG took it in for a score. What if he EG gets crushed, fumbles, they take it the other way for six and Golson is out for three weeks with concussion? I suspect we'd be here questioning why the coaches are playing someone that doesn't know the plays.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

I think some of the running game issues really are on this running back trio fiasco. The offensive line can't jell when its a new running back in every series. Its obviously the line needs some work, but when its a damn guessing game who's going to be in on whatever series, its a challenge. Cam, make him a hole he'll go through it and MAYBE look for a cut and that be that. Bryant get him a hole and its immediately looking for a cut or the next move. It changes the game. how many times did you see Bryant run into the back or side of lineman? pretty frequent. Pick a back give them 80% and the other two get 10%. If it went Golson, Malik, Golson, Malik, you think we would be score 30 plus a game? not a chance.

 

[koonja]

He didn't know the count or he didn't care to listen to the cadence. It's a mental mistake. Period.

It wasn't a big deal b/c EG took it in for a score. What if he EG gets crushed, fumbles, they take it the other way for six and Golson is out for three weeks with concussion? I suspect we'd be here questioning why the coaches are playing someone that doesn't know the plays.

So you think when a college player makes one mistake, that's enough to warrant cutting back their time going forward?

That's fine, but I don't agree in that short of a leash. Young players learn the most in games, and you use it to teach them and let them correct it, not a one and done mentality.

And he clearly knew the cadence. If he didn't know it, he would have jumped, rather than leaned. There's a difference.