'11 CA RB Amir Carlisle (Notre Dame Football Player)

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The coaches said many times last year that his pass catching ability was top notch, he just never showed it in the games last year.

I do remember that. I am glad he cleared whatever hurdle it was keeping him from being successful.

It's amazing what hard work does. Amir is so easy to root for because he's such a humble, quiet guy. I hope he racks up TDs and yards and continues to get better and be noticed. He's the kind of guy you want to succeed, especially after the adversity he's dealt with.

I agree completely. I really pulled for him last season when he was struggling. Seems like a great kid.


To be fair, Rees wasn't very good at throwing that wheel route either...


Valid point.
 

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I think it's going to be a matter of time before he takes it back in the kickoff game. He was pretty fun to watch Saturday. It was nice having at least one of our receivers be consistent with catching and his route running didn't look to bad.
 

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I felt bad for him last year at RB. He's becoming one of my favs this year in the slot.
 

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I knew he had a great game on Saturday but was really blown away after watching the replay of the game on tv. He was all over and showed some great receiving skills- not only great hands but the body control to keep feet in bounds as well.

I wonder if we will see him shift into the backfield at any point this season. Similarly to how riddick would sometimes line up wide and then get shifted back in.
 

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I knew he had a great game on Saturday but was really blown away after watching the replay of the game on tv. He was all over and showed some great receiving skills- not only great hands but the body control to keep feet in bounds as well.

I wonder if we will see him shift into the backfield at any point this season. Similarly to how riddick would sometimes line up wide and then get shifted back in.

I hope he stays in space, unless it's a reverse-type play. He's a threat and he's shown the concentration to be a serious WR. If he continues on this trajectory, he could be drafted (sorry, I'm violating my own hyperbole rule). He made some great focus catches and took one over the middle before being popped and held on. If he continues to show this kind of effort, his stock will begin to rise.
 

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I knew he had a great game on Saturday but was really blown away after watching the replay of the game on tv. He was all over and showed some great receiving skills- not only great hands but the body control to keep feet in bounds as well.

I wonder if we will see him shift into the backfield at any point this season. Similarly to how riddick would sometimes line up wide and then get shifted back in.

No need for him to line up at RB as was the need with Riddick. TF, GB, and Cam are more then enough to handle the RB duties. You might see some trickery like a reverse or double reverse but that's about it. He needs to keep his focus on playing slot.
 

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I agree, I think Amir will remain at WR this season.

Cam will be gone next season though ... if it turns out that Hunter's best position is slot (Kelly said they are still trying to figure that out, as Hunter has the ability to play any of the three WR positions) I wouldn't be shocked to see Amir move back to RB at least part-time.
 
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I agree, I think Amir will remain at WR this season.

Cam will be gone next season though ... if it turns out that Hunter's best position is slot (Kelly said they are still trying to figure that out, as Hunter has the ability to play any of the three WR positions) I wouldn't be shocked to see Amir move back to RB at least part-time.

That is why I am so perplexed by the RB cootin'. There is clear playing time available next year and the player would most likely be, at worst, having some form of split carries sophomore year. I know we have Adams in the fold, but if Soso is a nono, where do we go?
 

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That is why I am so perplexed by the RB cootin'. There is clear playing time available next year and the player would most likely be, at worst, having some form of split carries sophomore year. I know we have Adams in the fold, but if Soso is a nono, where do we go?
A '15 recruit's sophomore year would be Folston's senior and GB's redshirt junior.
 

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Should get 100% of the reps at slot. I understand why he doesn't, namely that Prosise is 100x the blocker he is, but he's -- shockingly -- had the best hands on the team so far.

He has been outstanding! The problem then becomes that it is a tell when Prosise comes in. He needs to prove that he can be consistent catching the ball and that we are not just going to run the ball or throw the bubble screen. If he can start catching the ball with his hands look out! Kid is a freak athlete.
 

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That is why I am so perplexed by the RB cootin'. There is clear playing time available next year and the player would most likely be, at worst, having some form of split carries sophomore year. I know we have Adams in the fold, but if Soso is a nono, where do we go go?

FIFY

I wouldn't be surprised to see Amir asked back for a 5th if he continues to produce. If Hunter is dynamic and avoids injury after he makes it on the field, then Amir is a good safety clause at RB/slot hybrid.

Our current WR class has some speed and I wonder if Amir would be bumped if we sign another RB?

Good thing we can watch the next 11 games before deciding our players futures.
 

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I am fully expecting one of them to leave after next year.

Where will they be going? Not the league. There is almost no premium on running backs and unless you expect them to win the Heisman or put up monster numbers (near 2k yards, 20+ TDs) I don't know why they would leave early unless either of them gets beat out by young talent, which also seems far fetched at this point.
 
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I want Amir to stay at WR full time, even if Torii's best position is slot. His hands have been great, he didn't show much running last year, and he's probably been the best wide receiver this year. Why mess that up?
 

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I wouldn't be surprised to see Amir asked back for a 5th if he continues to produce. If Hunter is dynamic and avoids injury after he makes it on the field, then Amir is a good safety clause at RB/slot hybrid.

Our current WR class has some speed and I wonder if Amir would be bumped if we sign another RB?

Good thing we can watch the next 11 games before deciding our players futures.

I'm surprised you think that's even in question. If there is anything we've learned from the last three cycles, it's that there is no point in debating whether to ask back a 5th year.

In the last three years we have asked back every player who has made any kind of minimal on-field contribution, although some chose to transfer out rather than stay at ND for that 5th year. We have even asked back some that didn't, like Stockton and Massa, although Massa later decided to leave because he got a non-football job offer he couldn't turn down.

Amir is absolutely coming back if he wants to.
 

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I'm surprised you think that's even in question. If there is anything we've learned from the last three cycles, it's that there is no point in debating whether to ask back a 5th year.

In the last three years we have asked back every player who has made any kind of minimal on-field contribution, although some chose to transfer out rather than stay at ND for that 5th year. We have even asked back some that didn't, like Stockton and Massa, although Massa later decided to leave because he got a non-football job offer he couldn't turn down.

Amir is absolutely coming back if he wants to.

The only reason I question it is because this recruiting class will have far fewer available spots if we accept all of our 5th years.

I'm drinking the kool-aid and believing we have a good to great year. There will be alot more interest from big time recruits if we continue to play like we have the first two games. We will see not just current targets jumping on board but some new players who didn't seem like viable options. What do we do if this class caps out at 25 or 26? The coaches won't make decisions until they know how this class finishes.

We saw our '13 class after an undefeated season and even with some losses, this offense/defense is looking like more fun to be a part of.

We often ask many 5th years back because we whiff on some last minute recruits. I simply don't think there will be much room if this team continues to play like this.

Thoughts?
 

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I don't think you move Amir. leave him in the slot where he is gaining confidence.

Next year your top to RB will be Bryant and Folston. sprinkle in a couple of plays a game for the freshman RBs, whomever they may be.
 

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Where will they be going? Not the league. There is almost no premium on running backs and unless you expect them to win the Heisman or put up monster numbers (near 2k yards, 20+ TDs) I don't know why they would leave early unless either of them gets beat out by young talent, which also seems far fetched at this point.

Exactly the point.

Unless a RB is going to put up silly numbers, which I anticipate good but not silly, you are looking at a mid-round draft grade. What is the point of staying? You body only has so many carries and the upside to staying is relatively minimal if your goal is to get into the league. If you feel like you game transitions well to the league, which I think they both do, I think one will take the chance. I know it didn't work out for Wood, but I think these two are a different player and offer more NFL upside.
 

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The only reason I question it is because this recruiting class will have far fewer available spots if we accept all of our 5th years.

I'm drinking the kool-aid and believing we have a good to great year. There will be alot more interest from big time recruits if we continue to play like we have the first two games. We will see not just current targets jumping on board but some new players who didn't seem like viable options. What do we do if this class caps out at 25 or 26? The coaches won't make decisions until they know how this class finishes.

We saw our '13 class after an undefeated season and even with some losses, this offense/defense is looking like more fun to be a part of.

We often ask many 5th years back because we whiff on some last minute recruits. I simply don't think there will be much room if this team continues to play like this.

Thoughts?

This is my fourth recruiting cycle on IE. Every year, some version of what you typed gains currency on this board, people argue strenuously against taking back such-and-such Marginal Player, are outraged when we commit to doing so prior to NSD ... and every year we have room for him, one way or another.

In short, we always take back every player who has made any meaningful contribution and wants to come back. I'll believe that Kelly will deviate from this practice when I see it, not before.
 

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Any chance we see Prosise in the backfield next year?

1) Amir has the chance to be the clear-cut Slot WR heading into next year
2) Hunter supposedly projects at Slot and Kelly seems high on him
3) Prosise's hands aren't great
4) Prosise is a freak athlete, he has to get PT somewhere....maybe a good 3rd down RB?

I'd love to start seeing some sweeps with Carlisle/Prosise this year like we did with TJ last year.
 

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Any chance we see Prosise in the backfield next year?

1) Amir has the chance to be the clear-cut Slot WR heading into next year
2) Hunter supposedly projects at Slot and Kelly seems high on him
3) Prosise's hands aren't great
4) Prosise is a freak athlete, he has to get PT somewhere....maybe a good 3rd down RB?

I'd love to start seeing some sweeps with Carlisle/Prosise this year like we did with TJ last year.

BK said he can play any of the 3 wr positions

prosise would be like having GAIII back there w/out his track speed..
 

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This is my fourth recruiting cycle on IE. Every year, some version of what you typed gains currency on this board, people argue strenuously against taking back such-and-such Marginal Player, are outraged when we commit to doing so prior to NSD ... and every year we have room for him, one way or another.

In short, we always take back every player who has made any meaningful contribution and wants to come back. I'll believe that Kelly will deviate from this practice when I see it, not before.

I understand the desire to look at a small sample size and project the future based on it. As Kelly has been rebuilding the roster to have adequate-->great depth at all positions. I believe he's finally where he wants to be at most positions. We need more DL and LBs for this system but I think we are close.

I'm not saying Amir won't be asked back but I am saying that it's very possible that given these circumstances, we may see a departure from previous years. I trust Kelly and staff so we'll see how this year ends up but my money is on truly tough decisions in Jan/Feb if we continue playing like the first two games.

I won't argue vehemently on either side because I trust our coaches.
 

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Exactly the point.

Unless a RB is going to put up silly numbers, which I anticipate good but not silly, you are looking at a mid-round draft grade. What is the point of staying? You body only has so many carries and the upside to staying is relatively minimal if your goal is to get into the league. If you feel like you game transitions well to the league, which I think they both do, I think one will take the chance. I know it didn't work out for Wood, but I think these two are a different player and offer more NFL upside.

Maybe we have a chance of this happening but I wouldn't count on it. It's very rare for a junior to depart from ND for the draft. I'd expect them to stay hoping to have a showcase year. That's simply based on the numbers we've seen so far.

If they explode and have 100 yd games consistently and multi-td performances, then it might become iffy but I don't think they are grading out as mid round draft picks yet so it's too early to tell.
 

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I understand the desire to look at a small sample size and project the future based on it.

Well, I thought 4 years was enough to be compelling, considering we have had the exact same debate every year and appear to be in the same position every year, the position of apparently having more players than spots, but then turning out not to due to "unforeseen" circumstances. But if that is too small a sample size for you, Kelly also told the press recently something to the effect that "See, everybody thinks we kick these guys out ... we don't kick these prospective fifth years out; we have a conversation with them about what their role will be, and they decide to accept it or not." I wish I could find the exact language or remember exactly when that was.

Obviously, that gives Kelly some leeway, and I won't say that Kelly will never edge out a player who has been a problem or isn't healthy or just can't play at this level. But someone like Amir, who has proven that he is capable of making on-field contributions -- the ball is in his court, not Kelly's. He's 100% coming back if he wants to.
 
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Well, I thought 4 years was enough to be compelling, considering we have had the exact same debate every year and appear to be in the same position every year, of having more players than spots, but turn out not to be due to "unforeseen" circumstances. But if that is too small a sample size for you, Kelly also told the press recently something to the effect that "See, everybody thinks we kick these guys out ... we don't kick these prospective fifth years out; we have a conversation with them about what their role will be, and they decide to accept it or not." I wish I could find the exact language or remember exactly when that was.

Obviously, that gives Kelly some leeway, and I won't say that Kelly will never edge out a player who has been a problem or isn't healthy or just can't play at this level. But someone like Amir, who has proven that he is capable of making on-field contibutions -- the ball is in his court, not Kelly's. He's 100% coming back if he wants to.

I get what you are saying and of all the players, it appears Amir has added great value to his resume. I'm only saying that each year isn't the same. 2011,12,13,14 represented unique problems - either depleted roster, poor season or not enough commits to have difficult decisions. We appear to be approaching that line where it'll be a 5th year vs. additional recruit. Maybe we can't find enough players to sign with us. Maybe the 5th years are so important that Kelly turns away recruits.

We can discuss this in the General team info thread so we don't clutter Amir's any more. I'd be interested in seeing how many fifth years we'll have to choose from and size of recruiting class before they have to begin trading.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>BK says they expect to get Amir Carlisle back this week</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/516290469870174209">September 28, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hooray!
 

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Wow This thread has not been opened in a while. Thought he had one of his best if not his best game as an ND player.


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Wow This thread has not been opened in a while. Thought he had one of his best if not his best game as an ND player.


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Had a very good game. 5 catches, 2 nice little runs, did pretty good on 3 KRs w/ 75 yards. I'd still like to see CJS take KRs.
 
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