'12 IN DT Sheldon Day (Notre Dame Man)

[irishog77]

If we're treating every position as equally important, this is basically an exercise in picking where the drop in quality from #1 to #2 is largest.

Jaylon is a safe pick, simply because he's a freakishly athletic superstar. Even though our #2 WLB is probably much better than some other #2s, the gap between that guy (whoever it ends up being) and Jaylon is still huge.

Koyack is defensible, because he's a senior and Smythe is a RS Freshman. Though Koyack's limited production to date makes this a more tenuous pick.

I'd still have to go with Day overall. The 3-tech is crucial to BvG's scheme, and we don't have anyone else on the roster who can reliably penetrate on the inside. Here's praying for Day's first injury-free season.

The counter to this though is that the other DT is extremely important to hold the point of attack, thus requiring 2 OL to block him. As I said the other day, losing The Orange Gorilla means a true freshman will have to, for all intents and purposes, be the back up to Jones. If Jones himself is able to be blocked by a single OL, then the ability to double team Day becomes much easier. I'm extremely doubtful Mohwuah and/or Cage, as true frosh, will be able to consistently demand a double team from the opposition.

Losing The Orange Gorilla made Jones' importance to the defense and the team skyrocket, in my opinion.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

If we're treating every position as equally important, this is basically an exercise in picking where the drop in quality from #1 to #2 is largest.

Jaylon is a safe pick, simply because he's a freakishly athletic superstar. Even though our #2 WLB is probably much better than some other #2s, the gap between that guy (whoever it ends up being) and Jaylon is still huge.

Koyack is defensible, because he's a senior and Smythe is a RS Freshman. Though Koyack's limited production to date makes this a more tenuous pick.

I'd still have to go with Day overall. The 3-tech is crucial to BvG's scheme, and we don't have anyone else on the roster who can reliably penetrate on the inside. Here's praying for Day's first injury-free season.

That's what scares me. In the two years Day has been at ND he has never had a healthy season.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The counter to this though is that the other DT is extremely important to hold the point of attack, thus requiring 2 OL to block him. As I said the other day, losing The Orange Gorilla means a true freshman will have to, for all intents and purposes, be the back up to Jones. If Jones himself is able to be blocked by a single OL, then the ability to double team Day becomes much easier. I'm extremely doubtful Mohwuah and/or Cage, as true frosh, will be able to consistently demand a double team from the opposition.

Losing The Orange Gorilla made Jones' importance to the defense and the team skyrocket, in my opinion.

That's fair. My only retort would be (and I'm open to correction on this) that playing NT demands much less technical prowess and athleticism than a 3-tech DT. You've got to be big, strong and determined (which all three of Jones, Cage and Mokwuah appear to be), but consistently generating pressure from the interior requires a rare mix of size, athleticism and experience. Put another way, if both Jones and Day come off the field, I think we'd get better production at NT from Cage than we would at DT from that #2.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

That's fair. My only retort would be (and I'm open to correction on this) that playing NT demands much less technical prowess and athleticism than a 3-tech DT. You've got to be big, strong and determined (which all three of Jones, Cage and Mokwuah appear to be), but consistently generating pressure from the interior requires a rare mix of size, athleticism and experience. Put another way, if both Jones and Day come off the field, I think we'd get better production at NT from Cage than we would at DT from that #2.

Could Rochelle slide into 3-tech when Day comes off the field and let one of the young pass rushers play end?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Could Rochelle slide into 3-tech when Day comes off the field and let one of the young pass rushers play end?

Yes. I think Rochelle will be the first man in at DT and SDE this year (assuming Ishaq gets his shit together and holds onto #1 SDE). Rochelle is a big boy with 4 pedigree, so I think he'd do a fine job of holding his ground. But if Jones is producing at NT, thereby leaving the DT with single coverage, I suspect he'd be a big step down from Day at getting to the QB.

Which says more about Day's unique talents than any deficiency in Rochelle's game. But my understanding is that BvG's scheme relies on the 3-tech to generate a lot of pressure on the QB, which is Day's specialty. Without him, the DL as a whole would become significantly easier to handle; which, considering the overall lack of experience at the other 3 DL positions, could be disasterous. Day is the lynchpin to our DL success.

Though you could certainly make a strong case for Jones at NT, too. I just think Day's position is much more demanding than Jones', and we'd be much harder pressed to replace him.

 

[irishog77]

That's fair. My only retort would be (and I'm open to correction on this) that playing NT demands much less technical prowess and athleticism than a 3-tech DT. You've got to be big, strong and determined (which all three of Jones, Cage and Mokwuah appear to be), but consistently generating pressure from the interior requires a rare mix of size, athleticism and experience. Put another way, if both Jones and Day come off the field, I think we'd get better production at NT from Cage than we would at DT from that #2.

That's probably true. I guess I look at Day's potential backups being Hounshell and Rochell (among others, possibly too). While neither of those guys are as good as Day, I have some relief knowing they've at least played in a college football game. Jones' backups, on the other hand, have played exactly as many games as you and I. That's what worries me.

I know in BK's time at ND, some FR DL have come in, played, and even played pretty well. But HAVING to rely on Cage or Mokwuah really scares me. BVG's entire 4-3 scheme relies on having a NT type (and true, a mobile, agile DT as well). I think the scheme could still hold if Day goes out...I'm not sure the scheme could hold without a capable NT-type though.

And to be clear, I definitely think Day is a better player than Jones. And I'm not definitively saying Jones is more important than Day either-- just throwing out more stuff for debate.

 

[IrishLax]

IMO, the five most important players on the team to stay healthy and have productive years, in order:
1. Jarron Jones
2. Sheldon Day
3. Jaylon Smith
4. Joe Schmidt
5. Everett Golson

Five least important:
1. WR
2. WR
3. WR
4. WR
5. Any CB but KVR.

 

[pkt77242]

IMO, the five most important players on the team to stay healthy and have productive years, in order:
1. Jarron Jones
2. Sheldon Day
3. Jaylon Smith
4. Joe Schmidt
5. Everett Golson

Five least important:
1. WR
2. WR
3. WR
4. WR
5. Any CB but KVR.

My least important 5 would look something like
WR
WR
WR
RB (lose any one of the 3 and we still have 2 capable ones)
Hegarty/McGlinchey (Whichever one you lose you put the other one in and move Elmer to the other spot).

My most important 5 would be
Day
Jones
KVR
Schmidt
Brindza

Yes Brindza is controversial.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Not to change the subject, BUT :

From Keith's analysis of day two.

He’s been forgotten in the chaos that was triggered by Blake Barnett’s recruitment, but DeShone Kizer (14) looks the part of a young stud quarterback.

Seriously, back to Day.

I think he is a key player to keep healthy. But I am having a tsunami of a premonition that the second half of the season, some of these freshman defensive linemen are going to develop so fast that they are hard to keep off of the field. I am just saying . . . The cavalry is on the way!

 

[irishfan]

My least important 5 would look something like
WR
WR
WR
RB (lose any one of the 3 and we still have 2 capable ones)
Hegarty/McGlinchey (Whichever one you lose you put the other one in and move Elmer to the other spot).

My most important 5 would be
Day
Jones
KVR
Schmidt
Brindza

Yes Brindza is controversial.

My only issue with this is that we can't go into a game with just 2 RBs (assuming one got hurt). Then we probably have to move a guy like Carlisle to RB and what if he's tearing it up in the slot? It disrupts our whole offense if he has to switch positions. This is why losing Mahone hurts more than ppl realize IMO. I think he would've been switched back to RB.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

My only issue with this is that we can't go into a game with just 2 RBs (assuming one got hurt). Then we probably have to move a guy like Carlisle to RB and what if he's tearing it up in the slot? It disrupts our whole offense if he has to switch positions. This is why losing Mahone hurts more than ppl realize IMO. I think he would've been switched back to RB.

(Cody Riggs could do it, too.)

 

[Grahambo]

IMO, the five most important players on the team to stay healthy and have productive years, in order:
1. Jarron Jones
2. Sheldon Day
3. Jaylon Smith
4. Joe Schmidt
5. Everett Golson

Five least important:
1. WR
2. WR
3. WR
4. WR
5. Any CB but KVR.

I know we are high on the OL depth but I'd like to say that Ronnie Stanley is a Top 5 must stay healthy candidate.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

'12 IN DT Sheldon Day (Notre Dame Enrollee)

'12 IN DT Sheldon Day (Notre Dame Enrollee)

My only issue with this is that we can't go into a game with just 2 RBs (assuming one got hurt). Then we probably have to move a guy like Carlisle to RB and what if he's tearing it up in the slot? It disrupts our whole offense if he has to switch positions. This is why losing Mahone hurts more than ppl realize IMO. I think he would've been switched back to RB.

I say let Jaylon get 5-7 carriers again.

 

[greyhammer90]

Watching the game for the first time on TV. Day's dreads are just awesome.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

When he had to leave the game because his helmet came off, he went to the sideline and threw his dreads back while he was putting his helmet on, and he looked downright majestic.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Wat.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

This is now about Sheldon's hair.

 

[greyhammer90]

This is now about Sheldon's hair.

The slow mo shots of him chasing down Gardner are magnificent.

 

[connor_in]

When he had to leave the game because his helmet came off, he went to the sideline and threw his dreads back while he was putting his helmet on, and he looked downright majestic.

Koon, is that you?

 

[Irish#1]

Starting to get a little creepy in here.

 

[Pachuco]

Sheldon "Predator" Day

(Part 2)

And I'm out...

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Starting to get a little creepy in here.

Agreed. Creeped out by the people who can't appreciate good dreadlocks.

 

[BobD]

Well now Im sorry I checked in on this thread.

 

[greyhammer90]

Well now Im sorry I checked in on this thread.

I'm sorry too. Sorry that every single player at ND doesn't have dreads.

 

[md_bennett]

Well now Im sorry I checked in on this thread.

It is especially weird considering your hilarious avatar. This is the new official man crush thread. You may proceed to talk about his body and hair now.

 

[IrishLax]

So there have been rumors swirling for a week or so now that Day is going to strongly consider entering the draft. Just saw something similar posted on ISD. Anyone hear something affirmative or to the contrary on this?

 

[gkIrish]

So there have been rumors swirling for a week or so now that Day is going to strongly consider entering the draft. Just saw something similar posted on ISD. Anyone hear something affirmative or to the contrary on this?

If guys like Day are jumping ship too early those "rumblings" are probably the cause.

 

[EvilleIrish]

So there have been rumors swirling for a week or so now that Day is going to strongly consider entering the draft. Just saw something similar posted on ISD. Anyone hear something affirmative or to the contrary on this?

Not trying to be that guy, but he's gone. Mentioned it in Stanley's thread but an asst at his hs told me this was his plan from day 1.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Then maybe he should change his plan. Realistically, where would he go? 3rd round?

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[IrishLax]

Not trying to be that guy, but he's gone. Mentioned it in Stanley's thread but an asst at his hs told me this was his plan from day 1.

Thanks. What exactly was "his plan"? Is he in position to graduate?