Jameis Winston Decision 2pm

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But if you do not care about character, then Jameis is definitely the guy to build around, haha
 
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Philip...truth be told, I have zero respect for your opinion. When you post, I usually think to myself, "Wow, this guy is a fucking moron". I know that's not nice, but I'm in an honest mood tonight and would rather let you know how I feel than get into a back and forth about which first-ballot HOF'er is better.
 
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NDWorld247 said:
Philip...truth be told, I have zero respect for your opinion. When you post, I usually think to myself, "Wow, this guy is a fucking moron". I know that's not nice, but I'm in an honest mood tonight and would rather let you know how I feel than get into a back and forth about which first-ballot HOF'er is better.
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OMG, I am sooooo hurt by your honesty, Internet Warrior.
 
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Considering how much you are sticking up for Jameis, I am not surprised.

You probably think that Hernandez is being railroaded too, you arrogant arse.
 
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The caption for this was simply "internet fight"

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His responses to questions at the SEC days is all you need to know. He just keeps smiling and agreeing with the media that he was a bad boy. They are less inclined to hammer you about your transgressions if you try to come off as a fun loving person. Isahia Thomas is the master of this little deceptive trick.
 
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In the Marquis Lee story, ESPN said that the money would be paid back after he got his NFL contract and that the same deal was being structured for Clowney, Bridgewater, etc. -- It's basically an interest-free loan. Seems legit. Glad every athlete gets the same benefit.
 
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Figured this would be a more active topic of conversation here. My knee jerk reaction is to call the NCAA hypocrites and complain that this is obviously a benefit and it doesn't make sense it is legal. But then, there really is no argument that this isn't fair to the kid. I feel like the NFL should pay the premiums for kids that have a draftable grade and aren't eligible to enter the draft yet.
 
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What happens if the policy is limited to injuries only and the player doesn't get drafted in the first couple of rounds for some other reason? Then the player is stuck with this huge debt to the University. What if he can't pay it?
 
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Rhode Irish said:
Figured this would be a more active topic of conversation here. My knee jerk reaction is to call the NCAA hypocrites and complain that this is obviously a benefit and it doesn't make sense it is legal. But then, there really is no argument that this isn't fair to the kid. I feel like the NFL should pay the premiums for kids that have a draftable grade and aren't eligible to enter the draft yet.
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Who do you think should pay for the insurance if the guy is eligible for the draft but elects to return to school?
 
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UNC (I know, not a beacon of integrity, but still) actually has done this for a number of basketball players in the past since they can jump after 1 year.
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I couldn't find anything on this. None of the articles that I read suggested it would have to be paid back and I couldn't find anything about UNC doing it with basketball.
 
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ab2cmiller said:
Who do you think should pay for the insurance if the guy is eligible for the draft but elects to return to school?
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The player, but if the school wants to step in and cover that then I think that is fair. One thing to think about is how we define fair, right? Are we talking about fair in the relationship between the player and the school? Or fair among the schools for the purposes of competitive balance?

If it's the former, then how can it not be fair for the school to do that for the player when the school is obviously the one deriving the primary benefit (at least financially) from the player returning? What is wrong with the quid pro quo of "we will do 'X' for you if you do 'Y' for us?" If you are worried about the latter, then there are probably other considerations in play.
 
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It is all bull shit. Sometimes flavor and fragrance are added but it still the same thing.

If you want it, make it mandatory for all players, since it is basically for the players benefit.
 
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ab2cmiller said:
I couldn't find anything on this. None of the articles that I read suggested it would have to be paid back and I couldn't find anything about UNC doing it with basketball.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNC?src=hash">#UNC</a> was actually one of the first to get the tab on loss of value insurance with James Michael McAdoo.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/statuses/496673659336261632">August 5, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FSU?src=hash">#FSU</a> is footing the bill for Jameis' insurance. <a href="https://twitter.com/FOXSports">@Foxsports</a> report last month explains how this actually works: <a href="http://t.co/Cu1FJj398w">http://t.co/Cu1FJj398w</a></p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/statuses/496672749822418944">August 5, 2014</a></blockquote>
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This lies on the NCAA IMO. They poorly worded the rule - which was first and foremost a method to help athletes with transportation costs in case of death in the family, etc - so that now conferences can "interpret" the rule as they see fit.

I don't really have a problem with what FSU is doing here. But the NCAA does need to clarify the rule so it can be applied evenly across conferences.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
It is all bull shit. Sometimes flavor and fragrance are added but it still the same thing.

If you want it, make it mandatory for all players, since it is basically for the players benefit.
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All due respect, Bogs, but the NCAA does not have the ability to make an insurance company issue a policy for all players. Only a very small percentage of players have anything to insure in this way. In addition, I don't think this is for the players' benefit at all. If they would be drafted highly in the NFL draft, the beneficiary of their returning to school is primarily their school and the NCAA at large.
 
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All due respect, Bogs, but the NCAA does not have the ability to make an insurance company issue a policy for all players. [B]Only a very small percentage of players have anything to insure in this way[/B]. In addition, I don't think this is for the players' benefit at all[/B]. If they would be drafted highly in the NFL draft, the beneficiary of their returning to school is primarily their school and the NCAA at large.
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I agree with you and think you have a good handle on the subject.

But I highlighted the individual parts than make the whole concept bull shit. The school that will pay the most (risk) gets the reward.

What would happen if ND offered this insurance for 5 mill to every recruit that signed on? Who would dominate football then? And don't tell me the Irish couldn't underwrite in in house!
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
I agree with you and think you have a good handle on the subject.

But I highlighted the individual parts than make the whole concept bull shit. The school that will pay the most (risk) gets the reward.

What would happen if ND offered this insurance for 5 mill to every recruit that signed on? Who would dominate football then? And don't tell me the Irish couldn't underwrite in in house!
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The font...the font...it burns my eyes!!!!! /no italics
 
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