Notre Dame Switching to UnderArmour

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Inside the <a href="https://twitter.com/NotreDame">@NotreDame</a> war room at <a href="https://twitter.com/UnderArmour">@UnderArmour</a> tonight at 7 et with Kevin Plank <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/InFocus?src=hash">#InFocus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/notthefakeSVP">@notthefakeSVP</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/espngolic">@espngolic</a> <a href="http://t.co/6AOEDFQnRg">pic.twitter.com/6AOEDFQnRg</a></p>— Hannah Storm (@HannahStormESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/HannahStormESPN/statuses/492418626398351360">July 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Irish8248]

That's gotta be an awesome job, whether you're an ND fan or not, sitting in on those kind of creative meetings would be insane. It's amplified when your company creates a "war room" for one (maybe all?) of it's clients.

 

[BobbyMac]

It is troublesome that ND fans would be opposed to having a cross on the jersey or helmet for that matter. It's one of the preeminent Catholic institutions in the world... I'd be very proud of the school if they did this. How about at Fenway against BC... Let's start a petition.

 

[irishknight35]

It is troublesome that ND fans would be opposed to having a cross on the jersey or helmet for that matter. It's one of the preeminent Catholic institutions in the world... I'd be very proud of the school if they did this. How about at Fenway against BC... Let's start a petition.

You certainly live up to your IE username.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It is troublesome that ND fans would be opposed to having a cross on the jersey or helmet for that matter.

You didn't get the memo? ND's religious character is purely vestigial, and not to be emphasized in any way, shape or form. It's like the Situation wearing rosaries as jewelry-- cultural appropriation of formerly religious symbols.

If ND is interested in doing something like this (which I seriously doubt), it'd be cool to see them add this as a helmet sticker:

That's "nun", the 14th letter of the Arabic alphabet. It's the equivalent of the letter "n" in the Roman alphabet, and is the first letter of the word "Nasara" (Nazarenes), which is a derogatory term for Christians in the Arabic world. ISIS has been marking the homes of Iraqi and Syrian Christians with this symbol as a form of religious intimidation (sort of like the KKK burning crosses on the lawns of Southern blacks).

It's probably equally unlikely to happen, but it'd be a little more nuanced, meaningful, and political relevant than a big cross.

 

[irishfan]

Didn't some recruit (Cowart?) recently say he thought you had to be Catholic to attend ND? Why perpetuate the myth that ND is a school for the super-religious only? I think there are enough religious symbols on campus without throwing one on the football uniform as well. TDJ is right next to the stadium. There's a "God, Country, Notre Dame" sign up in that UA pic. I just think its unnecessary to have a symbol on the uniform.

 

[GoldenDomer]

You didn't get the memo? ND's religious character is purely vestigial, and not to be emphasized in any way, shape or form. It's like the Situation wearing rosaries as jewelry-- cultural appropriation of formerly religious symbols.

If ND is interested in doing something like this (which I seriously doubt), it'd be cool to see them add this as a helmet sticker:

That's "nun", the 14th letter of the Arabic alphabet. It's the equivalent of the letter "n" in the Roman alphabet, and is the first letter of the word "Nasara" (Nazarenes), which is a derogatory term for Christians in the Arabic world. ISIS has been marking the homes of Iraqi and Syrian Christians with this symbol as a form of religious intimidation (sort of like the KKK burning crosses on the lawns of Southern blacks).

It's probably equally unlikely to happen, but it'd be a little more nuanced, meaningful, and political relevant than a big cross.

Wait, so how is that comparable to a cross...? It's a letter.

 

[Kak7304]

Didn't some recruit (Cowart?) recently say he thought you had to be Catholic to attend ND? Why perpetuate the myth that ND is a school for the super-religious only? I think there are enough religious symbols on campus without throwing one on the football uniform as well. TDJ is right next to the stadium. There's a "God, Country, Notre Dame" sign up in that UA pic. I just think its unnecessary to have a symbol on the uniform.

This. What if you end up forcing a player from another religion to wear a symbol he doesn't fully celebrate or agree with? Although ND is a Catholic institution, we still like to foster an atmosphere of religious freedom and celebration of all religions.

 

[GoldenDomer]

This. What if you end up forcing a player from another religion to wear a symbol he doesn't fully celebrate or agree with? Although ND is a Catholic institution, we still like to foster an atmosphere of religious freedom and celebration of all religions.

I get the fact that even though it is a Catholic school we are open to all beliefs, but do you really think a kid would go play there if he was not comfortable with Christianity? I may be wrong but doesn't seem like it'd make much sense.

 

[MNIrishman]

I get the fact that even though it is a Catholic school we are open to all beliefs, but do you really think a kid would go play there if he was not comfortable with Christianity? I may be wrong but doesn't seem like it'd make much sense.

As representatives of the foremost Catholic university in the country, they indirectly represent Christianity anyway. I wouldn't advocate the cross on the uniform (I think it's a little tacky/disrespectful to the symbol), but the religious makeup of the team shouldn't matter that much in the face that they voluntarily play for Our Lady's University.

 

[GoldenDomer]

As representatives of the foremost Catholic university in the country, they indirectly represent Christianity anyway. I wouldn't advocate the cross on the uniform (I think it's a little tacky/disrespectful to the symbol), but the religious makeup of the team shouldn't matter that much in the face that they voluntarily play for Our Lady's University.

That's what I'm saying. I'm with you in that it's not a great idea, but if it happened, there should be no complaints about it's religious symbolism.

 

[Cackalacky]

I get the fact that even though it is a Catholic school we are open to all beliefs, but do you really think a kid would go play there if he was not comfortable with Christianity? I may be wrong but doesn't seem like it'd make much sense.

I posted on this before but Christianity and Catholicism are not the same thing, particularly for people from the south born after the mid 1800s when Catholics left the south, concentrating more in the north and Ohio valley (from immigration), and were replaced with evangelical Christianity.

 

[GoldenDomer]

I posted on this before but Christianity and Catholicism are not the same thing, particularly for people from the south born after the mid 1800s when Catholics left the south, concentrating more in the north and Ohio valley (from immigration), and were replaced with evangelical Christianity.

Well Catholicism is Christianity. It's a denomination like Baptist or Methodist.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Well Catholicism is Christianity. It's a denomination like Baptist or Methodist.

Not to all people.

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[GoldenDomer]

Not to all people.

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How can that be? Isn't that sort of black&white?

 

[Buster Bluth]

I get the fact that even though it is a Catholic school we are open to all beliefs, but do you really think a kid would go play there if he was not comfortable with Christianity? I may be wrong but doesn't seem like it'd make much sense.

"Comfortable" might need to be expanded upon, but I'd play at Notre Dame in a heartbeat and I'm rather atheist.

I think a cross would be tacky. It's football.

 

[GoldenDomer]

"Comfortable" might need to be expanded upon, but I'd play at Notre Dame in a heartbeat and I'm rather atheist.

I think a cross would be tacky. It's football.

Comfortable as in wouldn't be offended to wear a cross. If you weren't, you would think they'd chose a different school.

 

[BobbyMac]

You certainly live up to your IE username.

As well as you do my friend, all knights come from (a) Castle....

 

[BobbyMac]

That's the problem with today's Christians.... Always afraid they are going to offend somebody... what we need in this country is some more offending. I'm to be tolerant of other religions but I'm supposed to be worried that I am offending others' with my symbolism on a uniform???? This is EXACTLY what's wrong with the America today.

 

[jmurphy75]

That's the problem with today's Christians.... Always afraid they are going to offend somebody... what we need in this country is some more offending. I'm to be tolerant of other religions but I'm supposed to be worried that I am offending others' with my symbolism on a uniform???? This is EXACTLY what's wrong with the America today.

Reps to you sir! i couldn't have said that better myself

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Didn't some recruit (Cowart?) recently say he thought you had to be Catholic to attend ND? Why perpetuate the myth that ND is a school for the super-religious only? I think there are enough religious symbols on campus without throwing one on the football uniform as well. TDJ is right next to the stadium. There's a "God, Country, Notre Dame" sign up in that UA pic. I just think its unnecessary to have a symbol on the uniform.

I haven't opined at all on whether a uniform design which feature a prominent crucifix would be a good idea in the first place. I simply threw the "nun" idea out there as an alternative in the same vein that might be more subtle, meaningful and politically relevant for those who are uncomfortable with the crucifix idea.

Wait, so how is that comparable to a cross...? It's a letter.

It would be a small gesture of solidarity with a group of Christians who are currently being persecuted in the Middle East. In other words, it would be an expressly Christian symbol, but one with a particular purpose behind it; as opposed to the crucifix, which some here may be taking issue with as a crass use of religious symbolism.

This. What if you end up forcing a player from another religion to wear a symbol he doesn't fully celebrate or agree with? Although ND is a Catholic institution, we still like to foster an atmosphere of religious freedom and celebration of all religions.

Our football team attends weekly Mass together, and they pray to Mary (lead by Fr. Thesing) for victory before every game. In light of all that, I have a really hard time imagining one of our players objecting to a small Christian helmet sticker.

That's the problem with today's Christians.... Always afraid they are going to offend somebody... what we need in this country is some more offending. I'm to be tolerant of other religions but I'm supposed to be worried that I am offending others' with my symbolism on a uniform???? This is EXACTLY what's wrong with the America today.

I understand the sentiment here, and I agree that Christians who are embarrassed of their faith either don't understand it or should stop claiming it as their own; but I don't think we need more "loud and proud" Christians. I'd suggest we need more well-formed Christians living their faith in an implicit fashion--as authentic examples of Christian love within their communities--and less Christianity as identity politics. When people try to boil it down to something that can fit on a bumper sticker, it becomes hollow and hypocritical.

 

[Cackalacky]

Well Catholicism is Christianity. It's a denomination like Baptist or Methodist.

Well from a certain perspective you are correct, Catholicism is Christianity; however evangelical Protestantism is not Catholicism, particularly the American versions that have over taken the south. Revivalism in the American south cannot be understated. Catholic practices and and observance of the Pope and Mary are actually frowned upon by ECs and in general are considered a false belief system. It's almost anathema where I grew up.

I can't tell you how many times someone has tried to to "save" me because I was Catholic.

 

[NDohio]

What's interesting is when a recruit mentions faith in any of their interviews this board gets all excited about that player and they are a "perfect fit for the university" based on that faith.

The reality is that it is a part of the university and a symbol on the uniform shouldn't be an issue. I don't see it ever happening, but think it would be appropriate if it ever did.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

So, when are the uniforms being unveiled?

 

[koonja]

To me it's pretty simple. We already cater to Christians, catholics, and non-believers (I'm sure the team isn't made up of 100% christians).

Why mess with that and potentially close off a market segment of kids who come here because 1) They love BK 2) Love ND 3) Want a great degree, etc, etc, but are atheist or unsure about religion?

I understand both sides, but to me it's a no-brainer.

 

[NDohio]

I haven't opined at all on whether a uniform design which feature a prominent crucifix would be a good idea in the first place. I simply threw the "nun" idea out there as an alternative in the same vein that might be more subtle, meaningful and politically relevant for those who are uncomfortable with the crucifix idea.



It would be a small gesture of solidarity with a group of Christians who are currently being persecuted in the Middle East. In other words, it would be an expressly Christian symbol, but one with a particular purpose behind it; as opposed to the crucifix, which some here may be taking issue with as a crass use of religious symbolism.



Our football team attends weekly Mass together, and they pray to Mary (lead by Fr. Thesing) for victory before every game. In light of all that, I have a really hard time imagining one of our players objecting to a small Christian helmet sticker.



I understand the sentiment here, and I agree that Christians who are embarrassed of their faith either don't understand it or should stop claiming it as their own; but I don't think we need more "loud and proud" Christians. I'd suggest we need more well-formed Christians living their faith in an implicit fashion--as authentic examples of Christian love within their communities--and less Christianity as identity politics. When people try to boil it down to something that can fit on a bumper sticker, it becomes hollow and hypocritical.

To me it's pretty simple. We already cater to Christians, catholics, and non-believers (I'm sure the team isn't made up of 100% christians).

Why mess with that and close off a market segment of kids who come here because 1) They love BK 2) Love ND 3) Want a great degree, etc, etc, but are atheist or unsure about religion?

I understand both sides, but to me it's a no-brainer.

Whiskey pretty much answered your question before you even asked it. I am not sure how having a small cross on the jersey would close off a recruit when the university itself is outwardly Catholic. If a recruit has serious issues with faith, they most likely aren't coming to ND now.

 

[koonja]

Whiskey pretty much answered your question before you even asked it. I am not sure how having a small cross on the jersey would close off a recruit when the university itself is outwardly Catholic. If a recruit has serious issues with faith, they most likely aren't coming to ND now.

I didn't read his post until now, but I disagree with him.

Doing the religious stuff behind closed doors is one thing, but directly representing a religion (and being the 1st to do so) on national TV would be very different for me if I was a non-believer.

 

[BobbyMac]

To me it's pretty simple. We already cater to Christians, catholics, and non-believers (I'm sure the team isn't made up of 100% christians).

Why mess with that and potentially close off a market segment of kids who come here because 1) They love BK 2) Love ND 3) Want a great degree, etc, etc, but are atheist or unsure about religion?

I understand both sides, but to me it's a no-brainer.

You can't intelligently love ND and be an atheist. It's like being a fan of the electric chair but against the death penalty. Putting a cross on a uniform isn't going to scare away a kid who is considering the most famous Catholic university in the world. It makes no sense.

 

[koonja]

You can't intelligently love ND and be an atheist. It's like being a fan of the electric chair but against the death penalty. Putting a cross on a uniform isn't going to scare away a kid who is considering the most famous Catholic university in the world. It makes no sense.

You don't thinkkids like ND because they grew up watching them and rooting for them, and would do so whether or not they were a private Catholic University?

Or you don't think a player could come here because the depth chart looks good, the location is great, or he loves the coach, family atmosphere, etc?

I seriously bet someone's come through ND, been a non-believer and still loved ND.

 

[BobbyMac]

It's also shocking to see the level of ignorance regarding religion and denomination here. This is a Notre Dame fan board..... but Bizzaro Notre Dame, just like the Seinfeld episodes when it comes to religion. Creepy.