2014 NBA Free Agency and Draft

[zelezo vlk]

The only reason I would be hesitant if I was the Cavs is because K Love has exhibited some injury issues. I'd still do it though if the package isn't too steep.

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[greyhammer90]

You do realize that Love is "something special" right now, don't you?

He's one of the best players in the league.

No he's not. I don't care how bad his surrounding team is, he hasn't made it to the playoffs in six years in the NBA. He's a stud for sure, but he needs to win a few games as the best player on his team before he gets "one of the best players in the league" status.

 

[itchyBEAR]

No he's not. I don't care how bad his surrounding team is, he hasn't made it to the playoffs in six years in the NBA. He's a stud for sure, but he needs to win a few games as the best player on his team before he gets "one of the best players in the league" status.

You realize they would have made the playoffs last year if they were in the East. Even playing the much tougher WC schedule, they would be the 8 seed in the East. If they had played an EC schedule, they likely would have been in the range of a 4-6 seed.

Love is absolutely something special and the ideal 4 to be paired with James drive and kick, pass first mentality.

 

[woolybug25]

No he's not. I don't care how bad his surrounding team is, he hasn't made it to the playoffs in six years in the NBA. He's a stud for sure, but he needs to win a few games as the best player on his team before he gets "one of the best players in the league" status.

Ha. You realize he plays for the Grizzlies, right?

He's an all star and arguably the best big man in the game. A big man that shoots well enough to win the three point contest in the all star game. If you don't think he's special, then you won't find many experts that agree with you.

 

[KPENN]

Ha. You realize he plays for the Grizzlies, right?

He's an all star and arguably the best big man in the game. A big man that shoots well enough to win the three point contest in the all star game. If you don't think he's special, then you won't find many experts that agree with you.

Timberwolves.

 

[koonja]

I don't think you can call this trade/no trade dumb one way or the other. Kevin Love is a great player right now, and Wiggins has maybe the highest ceiling since Lebron.

I keep flip flopping on it.

 

[Luckylucci]

The argument whether he's a top 10 player or not doesn't exist, whether he's a top 5 player is more like it.

 

[yankeeND]

I don't think you can call this trade/no trade dumb one way or the other. Kevin Love is a great player right now, and Wiggins has maybe the highest ceiling since Lebron.

I keep flip flopping on it.

This is about right. I'm glad I don't have to make the decision.

 

[KPENN]

Maybe it's just me, but i'm pretty lukewarm on Wiggins. I think he could be really good but i don't think he's good enough to not trade for someone like Love.

 

[greyhammer90]

Ha. You realize he plays for the Grizzlies, right?

He's an all star and arguably the best big man in the game. A big man that shoots well enough to win the three point contest in the all star game. If you don't think he's special, then you won't find many experts that agree with you.

Sorry, but the Mavericks have a much worse team than the Timberwolves. One of them has Dirk, the other one has Kevin. Which team went to the playoffs this year?

 

[KPENN]

Sorry, but the Mavericks have a much worse team than the Timberwolves. One of them has Dirk, the other one has Kevin. Which team went to the playoffs this year?

No they didn't, come on.

 

[woolybug25]

Timberwolves.

haha... brain fart.

 

[itchyBEAR]

Sorry, but the Mavericks have a much worse team than the Timberwolves. One of them has Dirk, the other one has Kevin. Which team went to the playoffs this year?

Jim Carey happens to be the coach of the mavs and he is a top 3 coach... May have something to do with it as well.

 

[woolybug25]

Sorry, but the Mavericks have a much worse team than the Timberwolves. One of them has Dirk, the other one has Kevin. Which team went to the playoffs this year?

You cant be serious here, right? I don't agree with that at all.

 

[KPENN]

haha... brain fart.

Haha. No worries, he was drafted by them though.

 

[Grahambo]

Lebron wants him. End of story.


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[Buster Bluth]

Dumb? For the Cavs to trade an unproven rookie for a 25 year old All-star who Lebron James wants?

He's not just a rookie, he's the #1 pick in the NBA draft. He would have been the #1 pick last year too...and he reclassified a year early. He's 19 and will already be a defensive force. He and Lebron will likely be the best defensive backcourt in the NBA in short time. Wiggins also means that Lebron doesn't always have to guard the opposing team's best player, and at a minimum he makes up for Irving's defensive nonexistence.

Listen I want Kevin Love badly. But, and granted we all know nothing, no team is going to trade for Love without a sign-and-trade. So unless the Cavs are picking up that Love is interested in going to the rebuilding mess of Boston, then hold steady on not trading Wiggins.

 

[IrishLax]

You can have an all-pro player now who compliments LeBron perfectly, or you can have a project player. The choice is simple. Can win 2-4 titles now with LeBron in his prime or waste those years waiting for Wiggins to develop an offensive game.

 

[Buster Bluth]

You can have an all-pro player now who compliments LeBron perfectly, or you can have a project player. The choice is simple. Can win 2-4 titles now with LeBron in his prime or waste those years waiting for Wiggins to develop an offensive game.

The choice is not Love or no Love. The choice is blinking and trading Wiggins. "Project" is a huge stretch.

 

[Luckylucci]

You can have an all-pro player now who compliments LeBron perfectly, or you can have a project player. The choice is simple. Can win 2-4 titles now with LeBron in his prime or waste those years waiting for Wiggins to develop an offensive game.

Yea, IF he even develops. I am really shocked that some think this is a tough decision. Where is it written that Wiggins will be a top 10 player? Speculate with your championship aspirations or effectively lock them in right now? It's a no brainer!

 

[koonja]

He's not just a rookie, he's the #1 pick in the NBA draft. He would have been the #1 pick last year too...and he reclassified a year early. He's 19 and will already be a defensive force. He and Lebron will likely be the best defensive backcourt in the NBA in short time. Wiggins also means that Lebron doesn't always have to guard the opposing team's best player, and at a minimum he makes up for Irving's defensive nonexistence.

Listen I want Kevin Love badly. But, and granted we all know nothing, no team is going to trade for Love without a sign-and-trade. So unless the Cavs are picking up that Love is interested in going to the rebuilding mess of Boston, then hold steady on not trading Wiggins.

Irving, wiggins, and lebron would be the most freakishly athletic back court ever. I don't think teams would make it past half court.

 

[tussin]

It's a dumb move without question. You all realize that Love will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season? If he wants to play with Lebron he can after this season.

Furthermore, we don't know what Wiggins is. What if Wiggins is the perfect defensive complement to LBJ? Love can't play D worth a lick. Wiggins could be the ultimate fast break partner. He could even develop into a mini-Lebron under LBJ's tutelage.

Point is, play it out for awhile and see what you have. No need to rush a trade now. Cavs hold all the leverage. The Wiggins trade isn't going anywhere and Love can sign after the season if he wants.

 

[Buster Bluth]

It's a dumb move without question. You all realize that Love will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season? If he wants to play with Lebron he can after this season.

Furthermore, we don't know what Wiggins is. What if Wiggins is the perfect defensive complement to LBJ? Love can't play D worth a lick. Wiggins could be the ultimate fast break partner. He could even develop into a mini-Lebron under LBJ's tutelage.

Point is, play it out for awhile and see what you have. No need to rush a trade now. Cavs hold all the leverage. The Wiggins trade isn't going anywhere and Love can sign after the season if he wants.

This. Kevin Love can axe any trade by simply not agreeing to a contract extension.

Leverage here is in this order:

Cavaliers
Kevin Love





Timberwolves

 

[Irish#1]

Just found this: Report: Lance Stephenson’s camp viewed five-year offer from Pacers as ‘an albatross’ | ProBasketballTalk

I agree with the article/LS. Avery freaking Bradley would've made slightly less than Lance AND Lance would've been locked in for five years. It would've been very dumb for a few reasons if Lance had accepted the Pacers deal.

Here's the bottom line. Lance was the disrupting force in the locker room. Bird was tired of it and felt it was the reason for the slide in the second half of the season. He decided they would offer Lance just what they could without going over the cap as his problems weren't worth it. Bird knew all along Lance wouldn't accept the offer.

 

[Irish#1]

No he's not. I don't care how bad his surrounding team is, he hasn't made it to the playoffs in six years in the NBA. He's a stud for sure, but he needs to win a few games as the best player on his team before he gets "one of the best players in the league" status.

We'll agree to disagree.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

It's a dumb move without question. You all realize that Love will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season? If he wants to play with Lebron he can after this season.

Furthermore, we don't know what Wiggins is. What if Wiggins is the perfect defensive complement to LBJ? Love can't play D worth a lick. Wiggins could be the ultimate fast break partner. He could even develop into a mini-Lebron under LBJ's tutelage.

Point is, play it out for awhile and see what you have. No need to rush a trade now. Cavs hold all the leverage. The Wiggins trade isn't going anywhere and Love can sign after the season if he wants.

And he can also sign to any team he wants. The longer it goes, the longer it gets riskier for the Cavs. Sure, they hold the wild card in Wiggins, but if they wait until next summer..

1. You have essentially lost a year of title contention with LeBron
2. There is no guarantee that Love will sign with you. There will be a wide open market for his skills.
3. If Love is traded to Cleveland he would be in it for the long run. Now I understand your point about him signing next summer if it meant that much, but the loyalty from LeBron current/past teammates speaks volumes. Love wont get to experience that, and he could take the money/big city in a year.

 

[IrishLax]

The choice is not Love or no Love. The choice is blinking and trading Wiggins. "Project" is a huge stretch.

No it isn't. His offensive game is terrible right now.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Here's the bottom line. Lance was the disrupting force in the locker room. Bird was tired of it and felt it was the reason for the slide in the second half of the season. He decided they would offer Lance just what they could without going over the cap as his problems weren't worth it. Bird knew all along Lance wouldn't accept the offer.

Offering Lance any money would put them over the cap as I understand it. The Pacers lost Lance and with him, a large amount of their play making.

I wasn't a proponent of Lance being an All Star nor do I think he deserved a ton of money, but he definitely deserves what Charlotte is paying him. He's taking a gamble on himself and that's admirable. I wish him luck.

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[KPENN]

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[irishog77]

Pretty sure Cleveland isn't an option for Love next year as a free agent, as I don't think the Cavs will have the room to give him a big contract. Unless they trade away some players to gain cap space. Which then brings us back to them potentially trading for him now.

Wiggins is widely regarded as the best prospect since James. I don't think people expect him to be James, but perhaps a slight notch below-- Kevin Durant, Tracy McGrady in his prime, a healthy Grant Hill at his best, etc.

Of course that's all unknown right now. Maybe he's simply the next Darius Miles. But if he's as good as people believe he will be, then he'd be one of the few people out there actually better than Kevin Love (and that is a minuscule list).

If Cleveland were to trade Wiggins, I'd offer him and next to nothing else. But I'd push for Waiters, Bennett, picks, or trying to bring in a 3 rd team to help facilitate the move.