Malaysian Airlines Flight Down in Ukraine

[Whiskeyjack]

My first reaction was now there is no way Russia can support this movement. Then I later wondered how they got these surface to air missiles

ISIS is sitting on lots of American-made weaponry right now, and the Russians have been selling their hardware to anyone with legal tender for decades. I wouldn't read too much into origin of the SAM.

 

[ResLife Hero]

In his view, they were all willing participants in the "war" because they'd been warned. I haven't seen these quotes confirmed by any English sources though. He has been an extreme hardliner in the news this week though.

CNN just quoted him on the same, but it's clear there's a ton of confusion right now since the official separatist statement is they didn't do it.

 

[ND NYC]

is it the "Russian speaking folks in Ukraine who want to be part of Russia" who did this...or is it the Ukranians?

or are we not sure at this point?

 

[ResLife Hero]

is it the "Russian speaking folks in Ukraine who want to be part of Russia" who did this...or is it the Ukranians?

or are we not sure at this point?

Pretty much everyone is pointing at the separatists or directly at Russia currently, but I don't think anyone knows for sure.

 

[magogian]

ISIS is sitting on lots of American-made weaponry right now, and the Russians have been selling their hardware to anyone with legal tender for decades. I wouldn't read too much into origin of the SAM.

The Buk is a major, sophisticated SAM system involving multiple vehicles. This isn't some shoulder mounted system.

It likely can't be fired without a trained crew.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Well damn.

 

[NDPhilly]

This agression will not stand, man

 

[ResLife Hero]

I really underestimated the violence of this civil war. This is some brazen shit, and now the separatists aren't allowing anyone from Kiev or the Kiev-backed local government near the crash site.

 

[Cackalacky]

My first reaction was now there is no way Russia can support this movement. Then I later wondered how they got these surface to air missiles

ding ding ding. Destablization is the key here. I am surprised that they shot at a commercial airliner. Maybe they thought it was Ukrainian?

 

[ResLife Hero]

ding ding ding. Destablization is the key here. I am surprised that they shot at a commercial airliner. Maybe they thought it was Ukrainian?

They've shot down at least 2 Ukranian military planes already, and they were talking about how the 777 could be mistaken as a cargo plane by undertrained troops.

 

[wizards8507]

ding ding ding. Destablization is the key here. I am surprised that they shot at a commercial airliner. Maybe they thought it was Ukrainian?

That's what I can't figure out. This was a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. Who's the target?

 

[nlroma1o]

They've shot down at least 2 Ukranian military planes already, and they were talking about how the 777 could be mistaken as a cargo plane by undertrained troops.

^^
This

Or they shot it down on purpose, with the intention to blame it on the Ukrainian Military.

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Ukraine's Interior Ministry advisor says all passengers on board have been killed: <a href="http://t.co/ypQvDJjDhG">http://t.co/ypQvDJjDhG</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MH17?src=hash">#MH17</a> <a href="http://t.co/KZRjhTMof6">pic.twitter.com/KZRjhTMof6</a></p>— VICE News (@vicenews) <a href="https://twitter.com/vicenews/statuses/489837237006131200">July 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[A Pac]

If the separatists group did do this, how the hell did they get ahold of the Buk missile technology? Where is the black market for these types of things?

 

[ResLife Hero]

If the separatists group did do this, how the hell did they get ahold of the Buk missile technology? Where is the black market for these types of things?

Russia has been passing weapons to the separatists pretty openly, and there was a deleted tweet by one of their leaders that they had acquired one of these systems within the last 2 weeks.

 

[Grahambo]

I'm leaning towards it was mistaken as a cargo plane. NOBODY, even the rebels, wants to shoot down an international civilian flight.


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[A Pac]

Just reading up on Strelkov. Wow, what an incredible asshole. Where does his sense of entitlement and self-righteousness come from? Someone should up a bullet between his eyes.

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>AP VIDEO: President Obama says U.S. will offer any assistance it can in the investigation of plane crash: <a href="http://t.co/HzNaKSxa0o">http://t.co/HzNaKSxa0o</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/statuses/489844511473152000">July 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash">#BREAKING</a>: Separatists willing to have up to three day ceasefire to allow for recovery work at site of downed airliner: RIA</p>— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) <a href="https://twitter.com/Reuters/statuses/489849034862264320">July 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[wizards8507]

If the separatists group did do this, how the hell did they get ahold of the Buk missile technology? Where is the black market for these types of things?

blackmarket.com

amazon.com/blackmarket

 

[Booslum31]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash">#BREAKING</a>: Separatists willing to have up to three day ceasefire to allow for recovery work at site of downed airliner: RIA</p>— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) <a href="https://twitter.com/Reuters/statuses/489849034862264320">July 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Well, that's really nice of them.

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RAW VIDEO: Fireball from Malaysia plane impact <a href="http://t.co/xNzQ7AvBo6">http://t.co/xNzQ7AvBo6</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/statuses/489850568580792320">July 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Grahambo]

If the separatists group did do this, how the hell did they get ahold of the Buk missile technology? Where is the black market for these types of things?

If you gotta ask, you can't afford it.


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[irish1958]

They've shot down at least 2 Ukranian military planes already, and they were talking about how the 777 could be mistaken as a cargo plane by undertrained troops.

I'm leaning towards it was mistaken as a cargo plane. NOBODY, even the rebels, wants to shoot down an international civilian flight.


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Actually, I remember a Korean comercial airliner was shot down on purpose in the Far East by Russia in 1983.

 

[wizards8507]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RAW VIDEO: Fireball from Malaysia plane impact <a href="http://t.co/xNzQ7AvBo6">http://t.co/xNzQ7AvBo6</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/statuses/489850568580792320">July 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I'll acknowledge that I don't know anything about anything, but it seems to me that a rocket hitting a plane would cause it to do most of its exploding in the air, not when it hits the ground. That plane looks like it blew up on impact. I picture a rocket hitting a plane causing a fireball in the air and then raining charred shrapnel.

Thoughts?

 

[tussin]

I'll acknowledge that I don't know anything about anything, but it seems to me that a rocket hitting a plane would cause it to do most of its exploding in the air, not when it hits the ground. That plane looks like it blew up on impact. I picture a rocket hitting a plane causing a fireball in the air and then raining charred shrapnel.

Thoughts?

They were saying on CNN that there are two types of missles. One would cause it to completely explode in the air as you mentioned. The other basically explodes and hits the entire plane with shrapnel, causing it to crash but not explode midair.

 

[ResLife Hero]

I dont think we have the balls to put real serious pressure on Russia.

We just increased them yesterday. Correlation with this event or coincidence?

 

[magogian]

If the separatists group did do this, how the hell did they get ahold of the Buk missile technology? Where is the black market for these types of things?

Its not the black market. Its Russian forces secretly handing over these weapon systems or letting them "fall" into the separatists' hands.

 

[wizards8507]

The other basically explodes and hits the entire plane with shrapnel, causing it to crash but not explode midair.

That sounds like the shittier kind of missile. What kind of low-budget production is this?

 

[AvesEvo]

Just reading up on Strelkov. Wow, what an incredible asshole. Where does his sense of entitlement and self-righteousness come from? Someone should up a bullet between his eyes

That's kind of a self righteous, asshole thing to say. Just saying.