'13 FL ILB Michael Deeb (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[ResLife Hero]

Another "Reviewing the Redshirts" piece. I'm not sure I agree with this line, but I do agree Deeb will force his way onto the field if he can keep his quickness:

We've been looking at prospects and kids who sign with Notre Dame in depth for a few years now and I don't think I've ever seen a recruit improve from junior to senior seasons like Deeb did. This may be controversial, but I think Deeb's film as a senior is even better than Nyles Morgan's, and I'm still shocked how small of a bump Deeb received in the recruiting rankings during his final year of high school.

Reviewing the Redshirts: LB Michael Deeb - One Foot Down

 

[NDhoosier]

Deeb's senior film was fairly impressive. He probably had the biggest jump from junior to senior year I have seen from a LB. I think Morgan and Deeb are both comparable in my opinion (again, I am very bias for Deeb here). Both are more power than speed, the one question I have with Morgan is how good is he in pass coverage? Both are extremely hard hitters, both have enough sideline to sideline speed to be optimistic about. I think Morgan may have a tad more instinctual talent than Deeb.

 

[IrishLax]

Coach D on Deeb today: Deeb is my favorite inside linebacker currently on the roster. If there comes a day when Deeb and Nyles Morgan are starting inside I will be one very happy person. There are other talented inside players potentially (Nile Sykes, Doug Randolph), but Deeb and Morgan have the most upside. Deeb is a good athlete that possesses very good range. He's also stout and physical. He's exactly what you want in an inside linebacker. If he is ready this year he could give ND a huge boost at inside linebacker. If the new DC can make things easy enough for him to understand he could emerge as a very good ILB for Notre Dame.
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I think, without a doubt, excluding incoming linebackers, that Deeb is your best 4-3 MIKE and it's not really close.

 

[ryno 24]

Lax I agree he would be the best 4-3 inside backer and in the old system he would be good will backer in the old system

 

[Luckylucci]

Lax I agree he would be the best 4-3 inside backer and in the old system he would be good will backer in the old system

Just curious, why would he be the MIKE in the 4-3 but the WILL in the 3-4?

 

[Luckylucci]

TJ, said awhile ago that one of the reasons they weren't as worried about ILB recruiting as we seemed to be was the development of Deeb. They've always thought he would be the leader of the defense some day.

 

[ryno 24]

Just curious, why would he be the MIKE in the 4-3 but the WILL in the 3-4?

To me at least in our old system, the Will has run support away from the strongside DE and the Cat which needs more strength, He seems more similar to Navarro Bowman than Patrick Willis. I may be wrong than this

 

[Luckylucci]

Well if he's your best ILB then he'll more than likely stay at the Mike in both situations. The MIKE in either scheme is going to be making the calls, checks, aligning the front, etc. I don't think you want to move your best ILB off that spot.

 

[woolybug25]

Well if he's your best ILB then he'll more than likely stay at the Mike in both situations. The MIKE in either scheme is going to be making the calls, checks, aligning the front, etc. I don't think you want to move your best ILB off that spot.

It's not always the best to have your most talented guys calling the scheme. Just because they are the best player, doesn't mean that they are the best field general. Some guys need to be free to simply do their job. Not saying that this is the case here, just something to think about.

 

[rtrn2glory]

It's not always the best to have your most talented guys calling the scheme. Just because they are the best player, doesn't mean that they are the best field general. Some guys need to be free to simply do their job. Not saying that this is the case here, just something to think about.

agree to a point...the job needs to be done by someone and some positions require more cerebral necessities than others

 

[Luckylucci]

It's not always the best to have your most talented guys calling the scheme. Just because they are the best player, doesn't mean that they are the best field general. Some guys need to be free to simply do their job. Not saying that this is the case here, just something to think about.

In the previous scenario it was mentioned that he would be a good 4-3 Mike and 3-4 Will. Why would have a guy filling that role of calling the plays (add in other esponsibilities) in one scheme and not in the other? IMO, and I don't want this sound rude but it doesn't make much sense to do that. If a guys attributes aren't being demonstrative and communicating he likely won't be the Mike in the 4-3, right.

 

[woolybug25]

In the previous scenario it was mentioned that he would be a good 4-3 Mike and 3-4 Will. Why would have a guy filling that role of calling the plays (add in other esponsibilities) in one scheme and not in the other? IMO, and I don't want this sound rude but it doesn't make much sense to do that. If a guys attributes aren't being demonstrative and communicating he likely won't be the Mike in the 4-3, right.

Where did I say that the guy calling the alignment would change in different schemes? The Mike does not have to call the plays. It's common that they do, but not the case in every defense. I would assume that whoever calls the defense would call it from their respective position in each alignment.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

In the previous scenario it was mentioned that he would be a good 4-3 Mike and 3-4 Will. Why would have a guy filling that role of calling the plays (add in other esponsibilities) in one scheme and not in the other? IMO, and I don't want this sound rude but it doesn't make much sense to do that. If a guys attributes aren't being demonstrative and communicating he likely won't be the Mike in the 4-3, right.

At ND, in a 3-4, I believe all Mike LB means is schematic. He is the first runstopper of the ILB's. As opposed to the Will who is the second run-stopper and the last overall in pass coverage of the front seven. Harrison Smith called the defenses three years ago, didn't he?

 

[Luckylucci]

Where did I say that the guy calling the alignment would change in different schemes? The Mike does not have to call the plays. It's common that they do, but not the case in every defense. I would assume that whoever calls the defense would call it from their respective position in each alignment.

Your right you didn't say that. Read back to Ryno24's original post. Thats what started this conversation. The point is I find it very unlikely that you would line up a guy at Mike in the 4-3 and when you switch to the 3-4 put him at Will, that's all.

 

[Luckylucci]

At ND, in a 3-4, I believe all Mike LB means is schematic. He is the first runstopper of the ILB's. As opposed to the Will who is the second run-stopper and the last overall in pass coverage of the front seven. Harrison Smith called the defenses three years ago, didn't he?

Usually one of the LB's is going to align the front seven. Make sure that the DE's and DT's are aligned properly is their respective gaps. Who called the plays that year not sure. I don't think it would be very productive to have a S do it, it would be tough for him to communicate to the front seven what he is seeing from that far back but not sure either. Now, one of our two S's is definitely in charge of lining up the back end of the defense and that could be what you are thinking of.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Usually one of the LB's is going to align the front seven. Make sure that the DE's and DT's are aligned properly is their respective gaps. Who called the plays that year not sure. I don't think it would be very productive to have a S do it, it would be tough for him to communicate to the front seven what he is seeing from that far back but not sure either. Now, one of our two S's is definitely in charge of lining up the back end of the defense and that could be what you are thinking of.

Now I understand. Two different things are being discussed. Okay. Have at it. I was only talking about calling the defense.

 

[ResLife Hero]

http://irish.nbcsports.com/2014/06/27/irish-a-to-z-michael-deeb/

Not a huge fan of the Calabrese comparison.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Yeah that's not a ringing endorsement of Deeb.

 

[ThePiombino]

http://irish.nbcsports.com/2014/06/27/irish-a-to-z-michael-deeb/

Not a huge fan of the Calabrese comparison.

I thought we were done with the Calabrese types. Meh

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Deeb feels like one of the guys who may have been screwed by the change from 3-4 to 4-3. Solid recruit but has accidentally ended up in the wrong system.

 

[ResLife Hero]

Deeb feels like one of the guys who may have been screwed by the change from 3-4 to 4-3. Solid recruit but has accidentally ended up in the wrong system.

I have a similar impression, but I don't think we've seen enough to know much at this point. He's got the size and acceleration to plug the middle already. To me, it's can he go sideline-to-sideline? Even if he can develop in that area, I think Morgan might usurp him based off physical gifts alone.

That said, I really like Deeb as a player and as a young man so I hope he is able to find a meaningful role. Maybe Sykes leaving will help open up an opportunity.

 

[EuropeanDomer]

Irish A-to-Z: Michael Deeb | Inside the Irish

Not a huge fan of the Calabrese comparison.

Why not? Calabrese was a good two-down linebacker. For a former three-star LB like Deeb, it would be great. I would be worried if Morgan is compared to Calabrese, but for Deeb, i think it is a compliment.

 

[ResLife Hero]

Why not? Calabrese was a good two-down linebacker. For a former three-star LB like Deeb, it would be great. I would be worried if Morgan is compared to Calabrese, but for Deeb, i think it is a compliment.

Just not expecting a lot of that in BVGs defense. Just going off articles and speculation, I expect speed to reign supreme. Plus, Carlo would have struggled a lot as a MLB in any 4-3 IMO.

 

[Bluto]

Wasn't he offered by Florida State who run a base 4-3?

 

[Irish YJ]

Wasn't he offered by Florida State who run a base 4-3?

He did have an FSU offer. Not sure if he was a "take", but he is listed with an offer.

 

[ShakeDown]

He did have an FSU offer. Not sure if he was a "take", but he is listed with an offer.

FSU wanted him. Most fans I know thought he was a stone cold lock becuase of his sister.

 

[GoldenDomer]

What's this guy gonna do? He gonna help us this year or what?

 

[BeauBenken]

We will see how he contributes this year, but if you see this kid in shoulder pads, you instantly want him on the field. (Trumbetti too.)

 

[Praytorian]

Whey couldn't he play Sam? Don't u want a road blocker up there and someone who could cover the TE in the flat? I don't think we'd want him doing much Man coverage but he COULD fill in behind Council as well right?

 

[GoldenDomer]

We will see how he contributes this year, but if you see this kid in shoulder pads, you instantly want him on the field. (Trumbetti too.)

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