'15 CA QB Josh Rosen (UCLA Verbal)

[Ndaccountant]

Again... why in the hell did he sign up to get training (after all, these things are about getting better) from them if he didn't respect their opinions? If he went to just hang out, then he shouldn't have wasted their time. There are plenty of talented QB recruits that would have killed for a week of tutoring from Fry and Dilfer.

You don't think Charlie Fry and Trent Dilfer know more about QB mechanics than his HS coach? Really? Also... if there is a coach that means the least to this kids development right now, it's his HS coach. That's water under the bridge at this point.

I never said they know more or less. All I said was that if he decides to ignore some things because he HS coach does it differently, then I cannot blame the kid considering he has to play the upcoming season with the guy. Moreover, we shouldn't leap to the conclusion that the kid cannot be coached.

Also... if there is a coach that means the least to this kids development right now, it's his HS coach. That's water under the bridge at this point.

Maybe. Maybe not. What if Mora asked his coach to do things a certain way and for him to work on it with him? But let's say that isn't the case. One week with super star QB coach Charlie Frye isn't going to do anything either.

And by the way, what makes Trent Dilfer and Charlie Frye such great coaches? The fact they played in the NFL with varying levels of success? That Dilfer has a gig at ESPN? So, very few people could know more about how to coach a QB than what these two guys? Well, Frye is such a great coach that he is actually an OC for a HS in Florida. So let's not pretend here that he is blowing of Steve Clarkson.

 

[Ndaccountant]

It's about being coachable......some kids can, and some cannot. How well he listens to Mora and his OC, and potions coach in college wI'll be dependant on how well he can lead UCLA.

You are correct. It is about being coachable. I just think its silly to take this quote and label this kid as being difficult to coach.

I also think it's amusing that people are inferring that it's better to change things up to Dilfer and Frye's content while putting aside what he has been coached to do up to this point. You could make the argument that he is simply choosing to accept the coaching of his HS coach over Frye and Dilfer. How is that being "un-coachable"?

 

[woolybug25]

@NDAccountant... The bottom line for me is that he shouldn't have came to the event if he didn't plan on listening to the coaches. Dilfer has been doing this for a long time and has been coached himself by some of the best in the business. If the kid didn't want to take direction, he should have went home.

This is typical of today's society. Giving the benefit of the doubt to the snot nosed 17 year old instead of the guys actually put in charge of doing the work.

 

[#1rish]

Being able to adjust and adapt to other coaches direction is important IMO. I mean, where did Rosen finish in the final Elite 11 rankings?

 

[Ndaccountant]

@NDAccountant... The bottom line for me is that he shouldn't have came to the event if he didn't plan on listening to the coaches. Dilfer has been doing this for a long time and has been coached himself by some of the best in the business. If the kid didn't want to take direction, he should have went home.

This is typical of today's society. Giving the benefit of the doubt to the snot nosed 17 year old instead of the guys actually put in charge of doing the work.

That's fine if that is your opinion.

But, I still would like to know why is Dilfer and Frye such a great coach? Being trained by the best doesn't mean they can coach what they have been taught.

As far as going home, there are many benefits to being there outside of the coaching. We talk all the time about how important a QB is to recruiting, especially offensive talent. With the load of talent at the Opening, it would be silly for him not to go.

This is typical of today's society. Giving the benefit of the doubt to the snot nosed 17 year old instead of the guys actually put in charge of doing the work.

I want to be clear here that I am not saying Rosen is coachable or not. My view is that there was a great deal of information left out of that quote to make a judgment.

Others have commented that Rosen's ego got in the way. What if Dilfer's ego was bruised because this kid wouldn't give him a handie? Point is, none of us were there and jumping to a conclusion one way or another is unreasonable.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Being able to adjust and adapt to other coaches direction is important IMO. I mean, where did Rosen finish in the final Elite 11 rankings?

And who was ranking him?

 

[Irish#1]

I never said they know more or less. All I said was that if he decides to ignore some things because he HS coach does it differently, then I cannot blame the kid considering he has to play the upcoming season with the guy. Moreover, we shouldn't leap to the conclusion that the kid cannot be coached.



Maybe. Maybe not. What if Mora asked his coach to do things a certain way and for him to work on it with him? But let's say that isn't the case. One week with super star QB coach Charlie Frye isn't going to do anything either.

And by the way, what makes Trent Dilfer and Charlie Frye such great coaches? The fact they played in the NFL with varying levels of success? That Dilfer has a gig at ESPN? So, very few people could know more about how to coach a QB than what these two guys? Well, Frye is such a great coach that he is actually an OC for a HS in Florida. So let's not pretend here that he is blowing of Steve Clarkson.

Why not listen to what they say and try it while he's there? It's not like he's going to be taught some bad habits. He should be open to them. Then when he leaves he can go back to what he wants to do or better yet, go back to his HS coach and say, "They were teaching me this. What do you think?"

 

[Ndaccountant]

Why not listen to what they say and try it while he's there? It's not like he's going to be taught some bad habits. He should be open to them. Then when he leaves he can go back to what he wants to do or better yet, go back to his HS coach and say, "They were teaching me this. What do you think?"

Perhaps. But we are all speculating here as to what the situation actually is. We don't know what they asked him to do and we don't know what his coaches (Mora or HS) told him focus on.

 

[Irish#1]

Perhaps. But we are all speculating here as to what the situation actually is. We don't know what they asked him to do and we don't know what his coaches (Mora or HS) told him focus on.

We definitely don't know, but let's face it. It's coaching kids and showing them new techniques and/or perhaps refining something. Not like if he tried something he couldn't go back to what he was taught by his HS coach.

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Holy Red Flag, Batman. Trent Dilfer essentially scorching blue-chip QB Josh Rosen for coachability. <a href="http://t.co/QJfMorWMUt">http://t.co/QJfMorWMUt</a></p>— Keith Arnold (@KeithArnold) <a href="https://twitter.com/KeithArnold/statuses/487615021375967232">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[dublinirish]

in fairness if trent dilfer was trying to coach me id probably give him the heisman too

 

[ndfi78]

in fairness if trent dilfer was trying to coach me id probably give him the heisman too

How many really great players were great coaches? How many meh players were great coaches. Just because Dilfer wasn't the best NFL QB doesn't mean he can't teach a player to be better.

 

[koonja]

Dilfer's one of my favorite listens. I think he's very knowledgeable.

 

[Ndaccountant]

How many really great players were great coaches? How many meh players were great coaches. Just because Dilfer wasn't the best NFL QB doesn't mean he can't teach a player to be better.

Simply put, just b/c you are a former NFL QB does not guarantee that you can effectively coach kids.

 

[Luckylucci]

I with Wooly on this. Don't go if your intention isn't to be a part of the process. Why waste Dilfer's time when he's trying to help kids that want to learn from him. He took another kids spot that probably really wanted to learn from Dilfer and the other coaches. Keep in mind that the Opening brought in some really good coaches. Palmer, Whitfield, these are coaches to the best talent out there. There are multiple data points to Rosen being arrogant/entitled, etc.

 

[Luckylucci]

Simply put, just b/c you are a former NFL QB does not guarantee that you can effectively coach kids.

He's not the only coach there. Palmer and Whitfield are coaching some of the best talent around thats coming out of college or in there early pro years.

 

[Ndaccountant]

He's not the only coach there. Palmer and Whitfield are coaching some of the best talent around thats coming out of college or in there early pro years.

But the quote was about Dilfer and Frye specifically. No mention of the guys you listed.

 

[woolybug25]

But the quote was about Dilfer and Frye specifically. No mention of the guys you listed.

It doesn't matter. A 17 year old kid shouldn't go to the camp if he wants to choose what coaching to accept. It's not his camp. Listen to the damn coaches and if you don't want to use it later, fine. But don't just disregard them and act like you know better than they do.

 

[Ndaccountant]

It doesn't matter. A 17 year old kid shouldn't go to the camp if he wants to choose what coaching to accept. It's not his camp. Listen to the damn coaches and if you don't want to use it later, fine. But don't just disregard them and act like you know better than they do.

There is more to being at that camp then the coaching! This wasn't just the Elite 11, but also being a part of the Opening 7 on 7.

We just disagree and that is fine.

 

[woolybug25]

There is more to being at that camp then the coaching! This wasn't just the Elite 11, but also being a part of the Opening 7 on 7.

We just disagree and that is fine.

We do agree to disagree, but coaching is part of the event. You cant pick and choose what you want to do. You cant just go because you want to use the publicity and play a 7 on 7. There are hundreds of kids that would kill for the chance to get this level of training, be evaluated by experts and see how they stack up to the best. Rosen took one of their spots and squandered it by simply showing up for the "fun stuff". It's disrespectful at the very least.

 

[IrishGlory]

I couldn't help myself.

 

[johnnycando]

^
Epic.

 

[Irish#1]

There is more to being at that camp then the coaching! This wasn't just the Elite 11, but also being a part of the Opening 7 on 7.

We just disagree and that is fine.

So tell me and the others. What should he do when he's given advice? He may have a great HS coach, but playing in the NFL has to give one a leg up in knowing the position. The difference between the good ones and the great ones is the little things they do, which is what you get from coaching, listening to it, then applying it.

 

[OCIrish]

So tell me and the others. What should he do when he's given advice? He may have a great HS coach, but playing in the NFL has to give one a leg up in knowing the position. The difference between the good ones and the great ones is the little things they do, which is what you get from coaching, listening to it, then applying it.

Take it with some grace, and knowledge that someone who has been where your desire is to be, is trying to teach you something about the game, that while you may already know, doesn't hurt to have some humbleness and manners. Just because you're an all world high school QB doesn't mean a fucking thing in the real world, or college for that matter, Josh Rosen hasn't played the first God damned play in college, take your self centered, I'm too damned good to listen to anyone, because I'm a diabolical fucking genius ass home.


Okay, I'm done.

 

[vmgsf]

IrishGlory is that Howdy Doody? if it is, please do not denigrate the great, the glorious Howdy Doody by comparing Howdy to the subject of this thread. Howdy was, is and always will be a total class act even if a little stiff or a little wooden.

 

[Irish#1]

Take it with some grace, and knowledge that someone who has been where your desire is to be, is trying to teach you something about the game, that while you may already know, doesn't hurt to have some humbleness and manners. Just because you're an all world high school QB doesn't mean a fucking thing in the real world, or college for that matter, Josh Rosen hasn't played the first God damned play in college, take your self centered, I'm too damned good to listen to anyone, because I'm a diabolical fucking genius ass home.


Okay, I'm done.

OC, you might want to go back and read my other posts, because I couldn't agree more.

 

[OCIrish]

OC, you might want to go back and read my other posts, because I couldn't agree more.

Sorry, I wasn't directing the response towards you personally, I just took your response and added, I should've been more clear. Sorry if you felt I was directing that at you personally. I'm just more than worn out by the prima donnas, who, quite frankly don't always need the help they are receiving at these camps. I know kiss want to compete, and that's fine, however, don't be such a fucking Douche........

 

[West Coast Domer]

Bosco dropped 63 on St. Louis the number 3 team in Hawaii yesterday. He might become more cocky this year if that is possible because it sure looks like they are going to run the table again. It should be interesting when they play Nicco and Bishop Gorman in September.

 

[Kak7304]

Josh Rosen Signs with UCLA Football - UCLA Bruins Official Athletic Site | UCLABruins.com

Can someone explain how this is possible?

 

[Ironman8]

Josh Rosen Signs with UCLA Football - UCLA Bruins Official Athletic Site | UCLABruins.com

Can someone explain how this is possible?

Been going on for a bit now. Binds the school but not the kid.