'15 MN DE/OLB Jashon Cornell (Ohio State Verbal)

[TheChosen1]

As I said in this thread a few weeks ago he's still taking all 5 of his official visits. Wednesday means nothing to me.

 

[EuropeanDomer]

Don't know if anything is ever truly a fact in recruiting.

But he was a priority under Diaco and looked at as a DE or OLB. Then we had a coaching change and he got fat as fuck. People don't know if he's a DT now or DE or what, but he's far from the uber athletic high upside prospect that got him his early lofty rating. Michigan straight up dropped him, and that was confirmed. Notre Dame basically hasn't contacted him in months save some very cursory tabs. Per people who would know, he isn't a take right now... could that have changed recently? Sure, everything is fluid, but I doubt it has. USC and other schools that were on him hard early have also dropped him.

I honestly believe OSU is recruiting him hard as a way to get Hilliard and nothing more. I also think that was a shrewd move on their part, as the visit where Hilliard really seemed to buy in on OSU was when he visited with Cornell and Harris.

Yes! I was only asking because i did not know. Of course i believe you. I thought he was a priority not only for ND, but a lot of schools. He is still high on so many rankings that it sounds strange. I guess maybe he is overrated, then.

 

[ryno 24]

Lax would we take him if he were to commit. It sounds strange, but I think HIlliard is committing somewhere first and if he chooses ND and then Cornell wants to would we take him.

 

[Luckylucci]

Per TJ, the first part is about CDHS kids profiling to ND. The most significant part is basically confirmation of what a lot of us have been saying for awhile. At SDE or DT Cornell is not at the top of our list.

TJ,

Nope, not one bit re Cornell. I've said this for almost a year, I think. Just because CDHS profiles well to ND doesn't equate to or mean that all their kids do, too. That's painting with FAR too broad a brush. See Henderson, Seantrel, for just one recent example.

Kids are kids. Some want something different than what they've known and been accustomed to for their next-level experience. So be it -- that's life.

As for DE recruiting, we have some excellent prospects on the board as we head toward the fall. That may even include a couple super prospects supposedly pledged elsewhere, long shots though they seemingly may be. We need a RushDE first, then maybe a SDE type. Guys like Cowart, Brown, Gustin, Lucier-South, Bryant, Patrick, Wallace, etc, are Rush Ends first, as needed. Cornell is strictly a SDE, if not future DT, and others are at least his equal there.

 

[Grahambo]

Kid has bust written all over him.


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[Jackalope1977]

Lax would we take him if he were to commit. It sounds strange, but I think HIlliard is committing somewhere first and if he chooses ND and then Cornell wants to would we take him.

I don't understand why we wouldn't. So he got chunky and maybe isn't the stud his rankings lead you to believe. But he wont get to play if he isn't one of the best 11 and we are never full at 85. If he was a stud once then he can be again or he wont see the field and it may help with Hilliard. Seems like a no brainer to me. People with way more knowledge than me say he may not be a take but I just can't understand that. I'd rather have Cornell and Hillard than two open scholarships. Plus the CD pipeline. Damn son....

 

[Grahambo]

I don't understand why we wouldn't. So he got chunky and maybe isn't the stud his rankings lead you to believe. But he wont get to play if he isn't one of the best 11 and we are never full at 85. If he was a stud once then he can be again or he wont see the field and it may help with Hilliard. Seems like a no brainer to me. People with way more knowledge than me say he may not be a take but I just can't understand that.

TJ tossed out the name Seantrel Henderson. Some just aren't worth the headache. He's essentially being projected as a problem. Projection>past performance.


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[TheChosen1]

Per TJ, the first part is about CDHS kids profiling to ND. The most significant part is basically confirmation of what a lot of us have been saying for awhile. At SDE or DT Cornell is not at the top of our list.

TJ,

Nope, not one bit re Cornell. I've said this for almost a year, I think. Just because CDHS profiles well to ND doesn't equate to or mean that all their kids do, too. That's painting with FAR too broad a brush. See Henderson, Seantrel, for just one recent example.

Kids are kids. Some want something different than what they've known and been accustomed to for their next-level experience. So be it -- that's life.

As for DE recruiting, we have some excellent prospects on the board as we head toward the fall. That may even include a couple super prospects supposedly pledged elsewhere, long shots though they seemingly may be. We need a RushDE first, then maybe a SDE type. Guys like Cowart, Brown, Gustin, Lucier-South, Bryant, Patrick, Wallace, etc, are Rush Ends first, as needed. Cornell is strictly a SDE, if not future DT, and others are at least his equal there.

I really like gustin's tape.

 

[Jackalope1977]

TJ tossed out the name Seantrel Henderson. Some just aren't worth the headache. He's essentially being projected as a problem. Projection>past performance. QUOTE]

You're probably right and people say the tandem recruits hardly ever end up going to the same school but damn it if I wouldn't bring Cornell to maybe get Hilliard.

 

[Grahambo]

TJ tossed out the name Seantrel Henderson. Some just aren't worth the headache. He's essentially being projected as a problem. Projection>past performance.



You're probably right and people say the tandem recruits hardly ever end up going to the same school but damn it if I wouldn't bring Cornell to maybe get Hilliard.

I never liked tandems. Everyone's life is different and you need to make decisions for you and nobody else. Cornell is taking best available school and understandably so. I can see Hilliard revisiting his decision but not something I'd hold my breath for.


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[Jackalope1977]

I never liked tandems. Everyone's life is different and you need to make decisions for you and nobody else. Cornell is taking best available school and understandably so. I can see Hilliard revisiting his decision but not something I'd hold my breath for.


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Going to a college because your buddy might go there is a terrible idea but we are talking about 17 year old kids here.... And I want Hilliard, haha.

 

[Luckylucci]

I don't understand why we wouldn't. So he got chunky and maybe isn't the stud his rankings lead you to believe. But he wont get to play if he isn't one of the best 11 and we are never full at 85. If he was a stud once then he can be again or he wont see the field and it may help with Hilliard. Seems like a no brainer to me. People with way more knowledge than me say he may not be a take but I just can't understand that. I'd rather have Cornell and Hillard than two open scholarships. Plus the CD pipeline. Damn son....

Read the end of TJ's post. I don't want this to sounds rude but it's pretty simple. At SDE or DT there are others we like better.

 

[Jackalope1977]

Read the end of TJ's post. I don't want this to sounds rude but it's pretty simple. At SDE or DT there are others we like better.

I'm not saying we want or need Cornell but I think we should let him come if it helps with Hilliard. I don't especially want JC but if we lose JH because we quit recruiting JC I think that sucks. Which way to the drinking thread!!!

 

[Irish#1]

Going to a college because your buddy might go there is a terrible idea but we are talking about 17 year old kids here.... And I want Hilliard, haha.

That's been said so many times on this board and in this thread. That's one reason I don't see them both announcing for OSU. Announcing the same day doesn't mean same school. I still like our chances with Hilliard.

 

[Jackalope1977]

That's been said so many times on this board and in this thread. That's one reason I don't see them both announcing for OSU. Announcing the same day doesn't mean same school. I still like our chances with Hilliard.

Man, I hope you're right.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

That's been said so many times on this board and in this thread. That's one reason I don't see them both announcing for OSU. Announcing the same day doesn't mean same school. I still like our chances with Hilliard.

Given that Cornell provided the same top two schools and kind of set his announcement out of the blue, I find it hard to see any other interpretation. There's always the chance that Cornell doesn't know which school Hilliard is picking but that would make his actions pretty weird if he did not.

EDIT: I suppose there is also the possibility that Cornell is willing to pick ND. Even if the staff doesn't think he's worth chasing after hard that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't still a "take."

 

[NCND]

Given that Cornell provided the same top two schools and kind of set his announcement out of the blue, I find it hard to see any other interpretation. There's always the chance that Cornell doesn't know which school Hilliard is picking but that would make his actions pretty weird if he did not.

EDIT: I suppose there is also the possibility that Cornell is willing to pick ND. Even if the staff doesn't think he's worth chasing after hard that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't still a "take."

Totally agree.

 

[Jackalope1977]

Given that Cornell provided the same top two schools and kind of set his announcement out of the blue, I find it hard to see any other interpretation. There's always the chance that Cornell doesn't know which school Hilliard is picking but that would make his actions pretty weird if he did not.

EDIT: I suppose there is also the possibility that Cornell is willing to pick ND. Even if the staff doesn't think he's worth chasing after hard that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't still a "take."

I like it Pops.

 

[ThePiombino]

We're effed. Thanks for ruining what little hope we had of landing Hilliard, Jashon!

 

[TheTurningPoint]

1. It hasnt been brought up yet but why would Cornell steal some of Hilliards moment away if they werent committing to the same school? They are great friends and at that age, you want your 15mins of fame in the spotlight. So for Cornell to literally come out of nowhere and change the date of his commitment so they could commit to different schools doesnt make sense to me.

2. ND would absolutely take Cornell. There will always be someone better most of the time when a kid commits to Notre Dame. Notre Dame isnt at the Alabama level yet. Notre Dame cant pick and choose from the elite of the elite at this point in time.

 

[NCND]

I think we going 0-2 on this one boys..

 

[clashmore_mike]

1. It hasnt been brought up yet but why would Cornell steal some of Hilliards moment away if they werent committing to the same school? They are great friends and at that age, you want your 15mins of fame in the spotlight. So for Cornell to literally come out of nowhere and change the date of his commitment so they could commit to different schools doesnt make sense to me.

2. ND would absolutely take Cornell. There will always be someone better most of the time when a kid commits to Notre Dame. Notre Dame isnt at the Alabama level yet. Notre Dame cant pick and choose from the elite of the elite at this point in time.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Not really meant to be taken that way. I think ND goes 1 for 3 on Wednesday. I just havent seen enough to think Hilliard is going to ND...much less osu either. When Cornell said he was committing Weds, I def took that as a sign that ND was out for Hilliard. I think Cornell gave ND more thought than what people are giving him credit for, but I just dont see him being that much of a dick to commit at the same time to two different schools.

 

[NDohio]

Not really meant to be taken that way. I think ND goes 1 for 3 on Wednesday. I just havent seen enough to think Hilliard is going to ND...much less osu either. When Cornell said he was committing Weds, I def took that as a sign that ND was out for Hilliard. I think Cornell gave ND more thought than what people are giving him credit for, but I just dont see him being that much of a dick to commit at the same time to two different schools.

Say wut?

 

[IrishLax]

2. ND would absolutely take Cornell. There will always be someone better most of the time when a kid commits to Notre Dame. Notre Dame isnt at the Alabama level yet. Notre Dame cant pick and choose from the elite of the elite at this point in time.

Maybe you know something I don't, but I think this is misinformed. As of two weeks ago, I was told unequivocally by someone who would know that Cornell was off the board and for the "same reason Michigan, USC, and everyone else doesn't want him anymore." He (reportedly) barely receives any contact at all from ND, and unless this all changed very rapidly (which is possible) I do not believe he's a take.

Short of Hilliard getting on a conference call with Cornell and Kelly and saying "I'm coming to South Bend as long as Jashon has a spot" I don't see how things would've changed though.

 

[stlnd01]

I get why Cornell's stock has fallen, but given some of the "project" type D linemen we've picked up since Van Gorder arrived, I'd be surprised if he's not a take, at least for physical reasons (are there personal concerns or something?). We had Treadway and Tiassum higher on our board?

Either way, though, if he's really not a take then you don't make him one just to get Hilliard. That's an Urban Meyer move, and it bites you in the ass eventually.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Maybe you know something I don't, but I think this is misinformed. As of two weeks ago, I was told unequivocally by someone who would know that Cornell was off the board and for the "same reason Michigan, USC, and everyone else doesn't want him anymore." He (reportedly) barely receives any contact at all from ND, and unless this all changed very rapidly (which is possible) I do not believe he's a take.

Short of Hilliard getting on a conference call with Cornell and Kelly and saying "I'm coming to South Bend as long as Jashon has a spot" I don't see how things would've changed though.

He may be out of shape. He may not be the most talented. But he fits better than Treadway and Tiassum when push comes to shove. I know that ND hasnt really been proactively recruiting that hard, but when it boils down to it, I dont think they would turn him away.

 

[Luckylucci]

From his interview with Josh Hemboldt. Justin chose the date and time and Cornell feels he is also ready. They are going to "shock the world". They've been planning this since the beginning of their sophomore years. The most important thing is relationship with coaching staff and then academics. Here's the best part. Will take two more visits and then will be done with visits until the season starts.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

From his interview with Josh Hemboldt. Justin chose the date and time and Cornell feels he is also ready. They are going to "shock the world". They've been planning this since the beginning of their sophomore years. The most important thing is relationship with coaching staff and then academics. Here's the best part. Will take two more visits and then will be done with visits until the season starts.

Is this from a recent interview? Shocking the world wouldn't be picking Ohio St. I like the suspense though something tells me that they aren't going to Ohio St. but who knows its recruiting anything can happen.

 

[NCND]

ALL ND