'15 IL WR Miles Boykin (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

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Would u take Boykin over someone like Malachi Dupre last year? Boykin is also bigger, faster, and has better stats than him.

I agree with you that sometimes measurables don't always add up, but I just can't find a reason to put ESB over Boykin...except star ratings or that he lives in Cal.

Btw I think ESB is awesome and has a near perfect GPA and speaks 3 languages. I would love to have either !
 

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When someone (I think GB?) compared Boykin to Funchess that was just about perfect. I think Boykin has insane potential as a pass-catching TE and is worth an add almost regardless of the overall WR situation.
 

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Boykin is not taller than ESB if thats what your getting at. Strength I think is a wash. Boykin may have more mass but ESB has put on some ripped muscle if you've been following him this summer. He's put together very well for 17 and 6'5. I've watched a lot of film on both this spring and there is no speed difference. Boykin isn't a 4.51 kid, he isn't faster than Marquis Lee or Josh Huff (combine numbers). ESB runs much crisper routes, actually runs very good routes for again being so young and tall. ESB gets in and out of his breaks much better than Boykin. Boykin does well with one cut routes/move routes. However, when he has to make two moves or change direction it is slows down. Both have good to very good hands and catch radius. Stats mean absolutely nothing at the HS level. There are so many factors that go into that. Coach, QB, opponents, etc. that would be the last thing most evaluators would look at. They look at what you can control. Size, route running, hands, footwork, etc. If you look at all of that ESB gets the nod.
 

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When someone (I think GB?) compared Boykin to Funchess that was just about perfect. I think Boykin has insane potential as a pass-catching TE and is worth an add almost regardless of the overall WR situation.

Agreed.
 

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I did compare Boykin to Funchess and Lax has really liked that one. I am honored you like it Lax.
 

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Boykin is not taller than ESB if thats what your getting at. Strength I think is a wash. Boykin may have more mass but ESB has put on some ripped muscle if you've been following him this summer. He's put together very well for 17 and 6'5. I've watched a lot of film on both this spring and there is no speed difference. Boykin isn't a 4.51 kid, he isn't faster than Marquis Lee or Josh Huff (combine numbers). ESB runs much crisper routes, actually runs very good routes for again being so young and tall. ESB gets in and out of his breaks much better than Boykin. Boykin does well with one cut routes/move routes. However, when he has to make two moves or change direction it is slows down. Both have good to very good hands and catch radius. Stats mean absolutely nothing at the HS level. There are so many factors that go into that. Coach, QB, opponents, etc. that would be the last thing most evaluators would look at. They look at what you can control. Size, route running, hands, footwork, etc. If you look at all of that ESB gets the nod.


Football Recruiting - Miles Boykin - Player Profiles - ESPN
 
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Boykin is not taller than ESB if thats what your getting at. Strength I think is a wash. Boykin may have more mass but ESB has put on some ripped muscle if you've been following him this summer. He's put together very well for 17 and 6'5. I've watched a lot of film on both this spring and there is no speed difference. Boykin isn't a 4.51 kid, he isn't faster than Marquis Lee or Josh Huff (combine numbers). ESB runs much crisper routes, actually runs very good routes for again being so young and tall. ESB gets in and out of his breaks much better than Boykin. Boykin does well with one cut routes/move routes. However, when he has to make two moves or change direction it is slows down. Both have good to very good hands and catch radius. Stats mean absolutely nothing at the HS level. There are so many factors that go into that. Coach, QB, opponents, etc. that would be the last thing most evaluators would look at. They look at what you can control. Size, route running, hands, footwork, etc. If you look at all of that ESB gets the nod.

Go on...
 
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I did compare Boykin to Funchess and Lax has really liked that one. I am honored you like it Lax.

Iirc LuckyLucci and I both think ESB is more like AJ Green and Boykin is more like a TE. I see them as two different receivers and I would be happy taking both.
 

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Me too but I don't see anything ESB being half as talented as Adriel Jeremiah Green.
 

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So your point is because at an NFTC camp or wherever they say he posted a 4.51 and you think that is accurate, fair enough. I don't. So you actually believe he is faster than Marquis Lee? I have watched a lot of film of Boykin as well as Josh Huff and Marquis Lee. Considerable difference, HS 40 times are pointless, IMO. Watch the speed on film and he doesn't have 4.5 speed. You reserve the right to your opinion I just take the other side.
 

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So your point is because at an NFTC camp or wherever they say he posted a 4.51 and you think that is accurate, fair enough. I don't. So you actually believe he is faster than Marquis Lee? I have watched a lot of film of Boykin as well as Josh Huff and Marquis Lee. Considerable difference, HS 40 times are pointless, IMO. Watch the speed on film and he doesn't have 4.5 speed. You reserve the right to your opinion I just take the other side.

No problem...I just posted the link because the 4.51 was sparq certified. If that's bogus then so be it...anyway i think they are both great and hope to get at least one of them.

I don't see a tight end at all. I see Anquan Boldin here. Physical thoroughbred.
 
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No problem...I just posted the link because the 4.51 was sparq certified. If that's bogus then so be it...anyway i think they are both great and hope to get at least one of them.

I don't see a tight end at all. I see Anquan Boldin here. Physical thoroughbred.

Good comparison.
 

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Once Notre Dame offered March 1, the Irish became the immediate favorite to land Boykin … Michigan State and Ohio State have made this a close race.
 
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Once Notre Dame offered March 1, the Irish became the immediate favorite to land Boykin … Michigan State and Ohio State have made this a close race.

Thanks for all of your updates.

I picture you slamming red bull and bumping Drake music, just tearing through these updates, lol.
 

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Thanks for all of your updates.

I picture you slamming red bull and bumping Drake music, just tearing through these updates, lol.

Rolling papers, listening to John Mayer and playing NHL actually
 

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Lemming said that Chicago-area wide receiver Miles Boykin is scheduled to make an unofficial visit to ND this weekend.

Notre Dame football lands DL commit Dew-Treadway - South Bend Tribune: Football

Those of you who are more in the know. This kid is still an instant take right? He has visited so many times, on top of telling the kid at the Columbus camp about ND makes me feel pretty confident in where ND stands with him.

As others have mentioned, I do think he is more of TE prospect and would not be upset if we took him and was done with TE this year.
 

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Those of you who are more in the know. This kid is still an instant take right? He has visited so many times, on top of telling the kid at the Columbus camp about ND makes me feel pretty confident in where ND stands with him.

As others have mentioned, I do think he is more of TE prospect and would not be upset if we took him and was done with TE this year.

Agreed with the TE idea. This kid is a potential freak as a move/flex TE if we can get him to 240+. Take him and use him like Eifert.
 

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I'd really like having Boykin...as a TE. Especially if ESB and Ofodile are in the class as well (or one of those guys and Newsome, Hill, etc.). Plus, I have no clue on how keen anybody is on being the 5th WR recruit to the class (or to the guys already in the fold).

I know we talk about it, but I wonder how much Boykin wants to be a TE? Did he mention something about at michigan, they showed him a lot of funchess tape, or am I thinking of somebody else? Regardless, if he's fine with an eventual move to TE, then I really hope ND lands him.
 

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Agreed with the TE idea. This kid is a potential freak as a move/flex TE if we can get him to 240+. Take him and use him like Eifert.

**WARINING: SPECULATION AHEAD**

If he wants to commit, would you expect the coaches to ask him to hold of until Irish Invasion?

Actually, now that I thought about it before pressing reply, I don't think they would. This staff is anti-emotional in terms of what they tell kids. They ask them to go back home and think about it, let it digest and make sure they aren't making an emotional decision.

My original thought was they'd ask him to wait with Crawford and hopefully allow those two to trigger a landslide in ND's favor but it seems very anti-ND to rig something like that. They could propose the idea and let the recruits decide but even that seems a little contrived.
 

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I'm very much a fan of Boykin and would be a shame if he's not Irish but IMO he's not a TE.

He is without question a bit of a hybrid WR/TE type but I see more Mike Evans than I do Tyler Eifert.

I get why many see him Flex/Move TE and I think he would be good in that position but I do see a bit of a difference though as well.

Using Eifert as an example is that in a one TE set he would play inline and in 2 TE sets he would be flexed out as Slot or a SE.

Whereas I see Boykin as a WR that would split time as a SE as well as in the slot which in turn would give the look and feel Flex-TE at times but IMO he would never lineup as a true TE hence why I don't call him a TE.
 

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I'm very much a fan of Boykin and would be a shame if he's not Irish but IMO he's not a TE.

He is without question a bit of a hybrid WR/TE type but I see more Mike Evans than I do Tyler Eifert.

I get why many see him Flex/Move TE and I think he would be good in that position but I do see a bit of a difference though as well.

Using Eifert as an example is that in a one TE set he would play inline and in 2 TE sets he would be flexed out as Slot or a SE.

Whereas I see Boykin as a WR that would split time as a SE as well as in the slot which in turn would give the look and feel Flex-TE at times but IMO he would never lineup as a true TE hence why I don't call him a TE.

Eifert wasn't always in in-line blocker. He played far more WR in high school than TE. Look at the differences below:
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Boykin could become a blocker by the time he is done with college.
 

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Eifert wasn't always in in-line blocker. He played far more WR in high school than TE. Look at the differences below:
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Boykin could become a blocker by the time he is done with college.

So your saying Boykin needs to grow beard
 

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funny, funny, but i think there is some significant physical development there. Eifert was a straight twig out of high school. One of his knocks going into his junior year was his ability to block with his hand in the dirt. He took a lot of pride that summer and next season in doing so.

TE's don't have to be some 270lb. beast like Niklas to be able to block. Move your feet get in the right position and set the edge. That's it.
 

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Only the staff and Miles really know what they have in mind for him. Plus, you never know how some of these kids will develop physically.
 

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Eifert wasn't always in in-line blocker. He played far more WR in high school than TE. Look at the differences below:
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Boykin could become a blocker by the time he is done with college.

Is that top picture a pic of GBDomer?
 
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