'15 MN DE/OLB Jashon Cornell (Ohio State Verbal)

[andre784]

what the... :/

 

[koonja]

Not surprised, honestly I'm just hoping he actually makes it to II and the coaches have a chance.

Where the hell did MSU go? Lol.

Maybe this kid really doesn't give a shit what he says to the reporters, which is fine.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Are we really losing traction with Cornell?

 

[TheChosen1]

Top 3 OSU, UM, PSU...

I'm not buying that he has a top 3 yet. And if he does that ND isn't in it. Also...it's June 1st.

 

[gkIrish]

I'm not buying that he has a top 3 yet. And if he does that ND isn't in it. Also...it's June 1st.

So either you're right and he is lying or you're wrong

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Props to Tom Loy for asking the all the questions ND fans want to know.


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[Bogtrotter07]

So either you're right and he is lying or you're wrong

No, I think Chosen is right, and looking at the video, I don't believe Cornell said those were his top three. Because the reporter just said; "outside of Notre Dame," where Cornell just said he had developed a great relationship with Elston.

I read this interview as good. Finally Jashon has developed a relationship with a ND Staff member, and it was as good as the one he had with Shaun Spencer and Larry Johnson.

 

[STLDomer]

No, I think Chosen is right, and looking at the video, I don't believe Cornell said those were his top three. Because the reporter just said; "outside of Notre Dame," where Cornell just said he had developed a great relationship with Elston.

I read this interview as good. Finally Jashon has developed a relationship with a ND Staff member, and it was as good as the one he had with Shaun Spencer and Larry Johnson.

It was a different interview where he told Wiltfong OSU was in his Top 3 followed by:

Who else is in the top three?

“Maybe Michigan and Penn State,” Cornell said.

 

[gkIrish]

No, I think Chosen is right, and looking at the video, I don't believe Cornell said those were his top three. Because the reporter just said; "outside of Notre Dame," where Cornell just said he had developed a great relationship with Elston.

I read this interview as good. Finally Jashon has developed a relationship with a ND Staff member, and it was as good as the one he had with Shaun Spencer and Larry Johnson.

I could be totally wrong but I don't think the video is where STL got that info. You're right that he doesn't say that in the video

 

[GATTACA!]

I could be totally wrong but I don't think the video is where STL got that info. You're right that he doesn't say that in the video

In the video I think he names OSU MSU um and psu. Pretty sure those where the four, deffinitly know he didn't say ND.......

 

[ThePiombino]

In the video I think he names OSU MSU um and psu. Pretty sure those where the four, deffinitly know he didn't say ND.......

That's just crazy. Assuming the quote was taken in context, to think how we've gone from "front runner" to afterthought is beyond me.

 

[gkIrish]

It was a different interview where he told Wiltfong OSU was in his Top 3 followed by:

Who else is in the top three?

“Maybe Michigan and Penn State,” Cornell said.

In the video I think he names OSU MSU um and psu. Pretty sure those where the four, deffinitly know he didn't say ND.......

That's just crazy. Assuming the quote was taken in context, to think how we've gone from "front runner" to afterthought is beyond me.

The video TP posted didn't really shed any light. He named four schools after he was asked a bunch of ND questions. The way the question was asked made me think the reporter was looking for him to name schools other than ND.

The other video STL is referring to is the one that is discouraging because he was asked straight up to name his top 3.

 

[koonja]

I really wouldn't exhaust too much effort trying to figure this one out, boys. I'll call the ticket guy tomorrow and find out what's really going on.

 

[TheChosen1]

The video TP posted didn't really shed any light. He named four schools after he was asked a bunch of ND questions. The way the question was asked made me think the reporter was looking for him to name schools other than ND.

The other video STL is referring to is the one that is discouraging because he was asked straight up to name his top 3.

That's interesting because rivals just posted a video and story today that he was asked about his leaders and he said.

"It changes every time I take a visit so it's hard, I came here and had Michigan State as my leader and I have to change everything now when I get home, it's just a mix right now,"

He also added that he will have to look at other schools and in a couple weeks he'll release a list.

Going to commit August 28th and even then might take official visits.

 

[koonja]

I feel like if one of his schools gets hot and has a huge year, they'll have a chance even if he's committed elsewhere.

 

[GATTACA!]

I really wouldn't exhaust too much effort trying to figure this one out, boys. I'll call the ticket guy tomorrow and find out what's really going on.

Someone ask Fister

 

[TheTurningPoint]

It was a different interview where he told Wiltfong OSU was in his Top 3 followed by:

Who else is in the top three?

“Maybe Michigan and Penn State,” Cornell said.

This is why I feel sorry for the kids. They can say something harmless in talking to multiple reporters that cover different teams, and leaving a school out, or knowing that reporter is from a certain school..you get different answers and its not on purpose. Then with Social Media and Internet it turns it into inaccurate discussions.

Not saying anyone is right or wrong in this thread, but its just a great example of how things are said by recruit, reported by the same site, and have two different stories.

 

[Luckylucci]

Barton Simmons gave pretty good reviews about Jashon at the Columbus NFTC. Another mention as well that his long term upside might be at DT. He took some reps there durin camp and looked really good.

 

[rtrn2glory]

i think a 3 technique may be a good spot for him too

let's him do what he does best, get after the passer.

 

[Irish#1]

I feel like if one of his schools gets hot and has a huge year, they'll have a chance even if he's committed elsewhere.

Distinct possibility.

 

[Chasey]

I jumped off the Jashon Cornell train a long time ago. I don't think some people follow recruiting or read the signs or writing on the wall or whatever. The kid shows no interest or has he shown any for the last couple of months. He goes wherever the wind takes him his favorite school is his last visit, frankly he is not worth the effort. I know I will get flak for the last sentence but anyone who has followed his recruitment knows it's true. Let Ohio State have him.


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[Voltaire]

I'm just curious as I can't say I know anything about talent evaluation, but what is it about Jashon that makes him the composite #37 recruit in the country? I mean you look at the highlight video for Kolin Hill, a relatively unheralded guy, and compare it to Jashon's, and Kolin looks far more disruptive in his highlights than Jashon does in his and yet Jashon is super highly rated. I'm not making any critiques; I'm just curious.

 

[stlnd01]

Going to commit August 28th and even then might take official visits.

Why bother? The guy is changing his mind radically by the week and then he self-imposes an artificial deadline (five months before the actual deadline), which then - if he actually takes OVs - he renders meaningless.
I get the instinctual desire to wrap this up so you can focus on your senior year of high school. But if it's not truly wrapped up - and in this case it sure doesn't appear that it will be - what is the point?
Sorry for the rant, but this drives me nuts every year.

Also: These are the kind of recruitments that rarely end well for us. At this point I'm mostly hoping he doesn't wind up at MSU so we have to play him, or at OSU and convinces Hilliard to join him.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm just curious as I can't say I know anything about talent evaluation, but what is it about Jashon that makes him the composite #37 recruit in the country? I mean you look at the highlight video for Kolin Hill, a relatively unheralded guy, and compare it to Jashon's, and Kolin looks far more disruptive in his highlights than Jashon does in his and yet Jashon is super highly rated. I'm not making any critiques; I'm just curious.

Jashon was very advanced at a young age. He was starting and playing at a high level as a sophomore. Hill was a late bloomer and wasn't really discovered until his senior season. That's just the way the services work. If they haven't had enough time to evaluate the prospect or chances to see them they won't be very kind to said prospect. Hill was criminally underrated and Jashon was overrated out of the gates.

 

[Rocket89]

Let's not throw up our spurned recruiting defensive walls just yet. Even if he decides in late August or pushes his timeline back there's still a lot of time left. Here are his visits:

Notre Dame
Minnesota
Iowa
Notre Dame (Soldier Field)
Minnesota
Northern Illinois
Notre Dame
USC
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Missouri
Iowa
Northwestern
Minnesota
Iowa
Michigan (for ND game)
Minnesota
Iowa
Wisconsin
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Arkansas
Minnesota

2014
Minnesota
Iowa
Miss State
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Michigan State
Ohio State
Ohio State

Saying he has no interest or limiting things to the last two months is incredibly short-sighted with 8+ months left until NSD.

Yes, Ohio State looks like they have a lot of momentum and may lead. And if Cornell really does go to PSU instead of Irish Invasion then you can start the process of mentally moving on. BUT, if he comes back to Notre Dame before the end of August (II camp or not) that'll be his 3rd visit since last fall and 6th visit overall if you count the SS game from 2012.

I think his recruitment has been colored by the fact that he was (rightly or wrongly) declared a "lock" and hasn't A) already committed and B) isn't coming to South Bend every 2 or 3 weeks. That kind of distorts the bigger picture, which is, Cornell has been to Notre Dame a lot and already we're still in a much better position that the people jumping ship are crying.

 

[connect the dots]

Ohio State is going to be in the mix for defensive line prospects like Cornell and Gallimore because of Urban's hire of Larry Johnson. Mike Vrabel was a good recruiter for the Buckeyes, but Johnson will kick it up a notch on the recruiting trail. If it were not for the Sandusky scandal, Noah Spence would have chosen Penn State over Ohio State. Curious how things come full circle. Coach Johnson and Spence are back together again. Along with Bosa, Ohio State will have a strong defensive front that will attract the attention of future recruits.

 

[RDU Irish]

That is a ton of visits.

Sounds like he has a good feel for ND and it will be easy for us to make a late push as long as we stay fresh in his mind. Then save his official visit for AFTER he has used his other four (which I guarantee he will regardless of August commitment, you really think he won't take in a five free games if he took that many visits).

 

[md_bennett]

That is a ton of visits.

Sounds like he has a good feel for ND and it will be easy for us to make a late push as long as we stay fresh in his mind. Then save his official visit for AFTER he has used his other four (which I guarantee he will regardless of August commitment, you really think he won't take in a five free games if he took that many visits).

This might be tough with our home schedule this year. If he wants to see a premier game, then the last two home games are Northwestern and Louisville in November. In October is Stanford and North Carolina. Our biggest home game this year is the Michigan game, and a sweet neutral site game - both early in the year.

I know the staff can still get the big guy headed our direction again, I just don't see how they do it before his crazy, self-imposed deadline.

 

[Irish#1]

This might be tough with our home schedule this year. If he wants to see a premier game, then the last two home games are Northwestern and Louisville in November. In October is Stanford and North Carolina. Our biggest home game this year is the Michigan game, and a sweet neutral site game - both early in the year.

I know the staff can still get the big guy headed our direction again, I just don't see how they do it before his crazy, self-imposed deadline.

I trust the staff has a very good feel with where they stand with him versus the other schools. Maybe they are not pressing heavy at the moment because they know high pressure tactics don't turn out well in the end.

Urbie is probably like that timeshare guy who just moves from one selling point to the next. Everything looks and sounds great while your emotions are in high gear, but when your brain takes over to do the logical part you come back to reality.

I trust the staff is handling him the right way, which may mean not a lot of ND updates to keep everyone happy and excited.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Urbie is probably like that timeshare guy who just moves from one selling point to the next. Everything looks and sounds great while your emotions are in high gear, but when your brain takes over to do the logical part you come back to reality.

I understand why a kid from teh midwest would REALLY like the idea of OSU. I also get that Urbie, like Saban, gets results. And he, like many other coaches, does not prevent his highly-rated recruits from making the pros.

HOWEVER, Urban is just so clearly slimey. The contrast between his persona and his program is like night and day. Other guys, like Richt, let things get out of hand out of weakness. And Saban is a maniac in the way I'd imagine a high ranking military officer in a combat zone might be (clearly using you, but not in a slimey way). But I would not trust Urban to take care of me for 4 years in any situation. If I was Percy Harvin or Tim Tebow, I guess that doesn't matter. But it does for most kids. He is like a smoother Kiffin to me. I actually trust Kiffin more.

I can understand really liking some coaches (Richt, Strong, Golden) and trusting certain programs (Stanford, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt). But I just don't see how a kid buys what Urban is selling if he has his eyes open.