'15 MN DE/OLB Jashon Cornell (Ohio State Verbal)

[Bogtrotter07]

Maybe he got that life lesson out of the way earlier?

 

[Luckylucci]

wtf?!? Are they trying to trade up to get Mack or Clowney?? Who is the world could they like more and have just as good a shot with??

There are plenty of DE's/OLB (that could put their hand down) that I like more than Cornell. Do we have as good of a shot with those guys? probably not. Keep in mind that we brought in 4 last year. Trumbetti, Blankenship, Williams, and Hill. I don't think the staff sees Cornell as a can't miss prospect like some of you do.

 

[ACamp1900]

A five star defenseive front seven recruit has ND high on his list...


Notre Dame.

Defensive front seven.

That's a massive take every freaking time.

 

[koonja]

A five star defenseive front seven recruit has ND high on his list...


Notre Dame.

Defensive front seven.

That's a massive take every freaking time.

You could add 'from the Midwest' and a 'ND pipeline high school' to pad your argument.

Geez, if you're going to bitch, bitch right! I'm a pro at this .

 

[Jackalope1977]

A five star defenseive front seven recruit has ND high on his list...


Notre Dame.

Defensive front seven.

That's a massive take every freaking time.

I'm with you. No brainer.

 

[ACamp1900]

The CW era alone gave me such recruiting ptsd in regards to the front seven.. it's just hard to imagine being in that good of a place with anyone in the front seven and then just kind of shrugging it off... let alone a five star.

 

[ND NYC]

are you guys saying we "cooled" on him?

there's no friggin way that happpened.....is there?

 

[koonja]

To be fair, if he was gaining this much weight on his own, he was doomed in Longo's program.

Probably wouldn't have been able to run by sophomore year!

 

[Jackalope1977]

The CW era alone gave me such recruiting ptsd in regards to the front seven.. it's just hard to imagine being in that good of a place with anyone in the front seven and then just kind of shrugging it off... let alone a five star.

Haha, same here. Losing 45-42 every week was awesome wasn't it?

 

[Luckylucci]

The CW era alone gave me such recruiting ptsd in regards to the front seven.. it's just hard to imagine being in that good of a place with anyone in the front seven and then just kind of shrugging it off... let alone a five star.

We may have to agree to disagree on this but here the factors that go into my thinking.

1. Last years front seven haul was much much better than people believe. After a year or two of development we'll be very happy.
2. A massive weight gain and apparent lack of motivation on Cornell's part (red flag). Tuitt last year was not the 5 star he was when he was at 295-305. Cornell is not the 5 star he was at 270. All reports from the Chicago camp say that. He loses the weight great but still a red flag.
3. Nobody is saying that we are dropping him or we are going to stop recruiting him. We were just at his HS school last week and all accounts point to it being productive. I just don't believe that the staff views him the way ND fanbase does.

 

[ACamp1900]

That's cool LL...

regardless of reasoning, if ND ever passes on a front seven five star who is kosher academically... furniture in my house is sure to die a violent death... all I'm saying.

 

[PANDFAN]

We may have to agree to disagree on this but here the factors that go into my thinking.

1. Last years front seven haul was much much better than people believe. After a year or two of development we'll be very happy.
2. A massive weight gain and apparent lack of motivation on Cornell's part (red flag). Tuitt last year was not the 5 star he was when he was at 295-305. Cornell is not the 5 star he was at 270. All reports from the Chicago camp say that. He loses the weight great but still a red flag.
3. Nobody is saying that we are dropping him or we are going to stop recruiting him. We were just at his HS school last week and all accounts point to it being productive. I just don't believe that the staff views him the way ND fanbase does.

 

[Irish#1]

You could add 'from the Midwest' and a 'ND pipeline high school' to pad your argument.

Geez, if you're going to bitch, bitch right! I'm a pro at this .

The only thing you're a pro at is GB worshiping! lol

If the staff has cooled on him, then I trust they have a good reason and won't let it bother me. As much info as we have and get, the bottom line is only BK and the staff really know what's going on. They don't share everything with these recruiting reporters.

 

[Luckylucci]

That's cool LL...

regardless of reasoning, if ND ever passes on a front seven five star who is kosher academically... furniture in my house is sure to die a violent death... all I'm saying.

I don't think they are passing I just think we may not be giving the full court press that some were anticipating.

 

[Rocket89]

are you guys saying we "cooled" on him?

there's no friggin way that happpened.....is there?

The more likely scenario is that the staff is pretty certain he's coming to ND and they don't need to be all up in his face while he visits some other places. I'd stop short of calling him a silent to ND but it wouldn't shock me if the coaches are being coy about how optimistic they are with Cornell.

 

[ACamp1900]

I don't think they are passing I just think we may not be giving the full court press that some were anticipating.

Yeah, like I said, past front seven 'experiences' tend to make me expect the worst.

 

[Cackalacky]

The CW era alone gave me such recruiting ptsd in regards to the front seven.. it's just hard to imagine being in that good of a place with anyone in the front seven and then just kind of shrugging it off... let alone a five star.

John Ryan nightmare.

 

[Ndaccountant]

We may have to agree to disagree on this but here the factors that go into my thinking.

1. Last years front seven haul was much much better than people believe. After a year or two of development we'll be very happy.
2. A massive weight gain and apparent lack of motivation on Cornell's part (red flag). Tuitt last year was not the 5 star he was when he was at 295-305. Cornell is not the 5 star he was at 270. All reports from the Chicago camp say that. He loses the weight great but still a red flag.
3. Nobody is saying that we are dropping him or we are going to stop recruiting him. We were just at his HS school last week and all accounts point to it being productive. I just don't believe that the staff views him the way ND fanbase does.

All of these points are completely valid.

Like Acamp, I guess I come from the view that we have been burned so much in the past that slow playing a kid like Cornell usually bites us in the ass. For me, it isn't that I view Cornell as a can't miss prospect. I am looking at the prospects higher on the ND board and see that the likelihood of landing some of those guys is not so great. So instead of shooting for the moon, missing and scrambling to pick up guys late, secure Cornell and leave one spot for the homerun.

Our haul last year may be great in a few years, but I cannot shake the feeling that there was luck involved w/r/t location (Williams) and timing (Hill). Historically, those have gone against us more often then not. My curmudgeonly view leads me to believe this will not end well.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The more likely scenario is that the staff is pretty certain he's coming to ND and they don't need to be all up in his face while he visits some other places. I'd stop short of calling him a silent to ND but it wouldn't shock me if the coaches are being coy about how optimistic they are with Cornell.

So they're just jashon around with the recruitniks?

Don't get up. I'll show myself out.

 

[PANDFAN]

So they're just jashon around with the recruitniks?

Don't get up. I'll show myself out.

 

[NDinL.A.]

We may have to agree to disagree on this but here the factors that go into my thinking.

1. Last years front seven haul was much much better than people believe. After a year or two of development we'll be very happy.
2. A massive weight gain and apparent lack of motivation on Cornell's part (red flag). Tuitt last year was not the 5 star he was when he was at 295-305. Cornell is not the 5 star he was at 270. All reports from the Chicago camp say that. He loses the weight great but still a red flag.
3. Nobody is saying that we are dropping him or we are going to stop recruiting him. We were just at his HS school last week and all accounts point to it being productive. I just don't believe that the staff views him the way ND fanbase does.

4. He went on national TV as the #1 recruit in the nation per ESPN and laid an egg. Shoot, considering how great he was supposed to be, he was straight awful. Unless I am mixing him up with someone else, i was shocked that a guy so great could be just another guy on the football field. It was taken aback by it.

Now, that's just ONE game, and everybody has a bad game. But for that one game anyway, he was just another dude. Maybe that's what some people saw.

I do agree with acamp and others though, you still go after a kid like this, no doubt, especially considering his position. But this isn't the end of the world if ND doesn't land him, IMHO.

 

[md_bennett]

4. He went on national TV as the #1 recruit in the nation per ESPN and laid an egg. Shoot, considering how great he was supposed to be, he was straight awful. Unless I am mixing him up with someone else, i was shocked that a guy so great could be just another guy on the football field. It was taken aback by it.

Now, that's just ONE game, and everybody has a bad game. But for that one game anyway, he was just another dude. Maybe that's what some people saw.

I do agree with acamp and others though, you still go after a kid like this, no doubt, especially considering his position. But this isn't the end of the world if ND doesn't land him, IMHO.

I remember that game and was a bit unimpressed at first too. I even went so far as to mention it here. But going back and looking at it, he did have some nice plays when a ball carrier didn't intentionally run to the other side - or when he wasn't triple teamed.

On the other hand he showed nowhere near as impressive in that game as Clowney did when he was so highly rated.

 

[PANDFAN]

Honestly wouldn't have known he was the #1 recruit .. extremely disappointed in performance

4. He went on national TV as the #1 recruit in the nation per ESPN and laid an egg. Shoot, considering how great he was supposed to be, he was straight awful. Unless I am mixing him up with someone else, i was shocked that a guy so great could be just another guy on the football field. It was taken aback by it.

Now, that's just ONE game, and everybody has a bad game. But for that one game anyway, he was just another dude. Maybe that's what some people saw.

I do agree with acamp and others though, you still go after a kid like this, no doubt, especially considering his position. But this isn't the end of the world if ND doesn't land him, IMHO.

see my post from 9/13/2013...no confusion my man...he was avg at best and when he was close to a tackle the announcers just kept raving about him being recruited by everyone but never mentioned him dominating the game...when u see others on tv that are big 5*s they take over the game

 

[Luckylucci]

4. He went on national TV as the #1 recruit in the nation per ESPN and laid an egg. Shoot, considering how great he was supposed to be, he was straight awful. Unless I am mixing him up with someone else, i was shocked that a guy so great could be just another guy on the football field. It was taken aback by it.

Now, that's just ONE game, and everybody has a bad game. But for that one game anyway, he was just another dude. Maybe that's what some people saw.

I do agree with acamp and others though, you still go after a kid like this, no doubt, especially considering his position. But this isn't the end of the world if ND doesn't land him, IMHO.

I agree with the first part and I also agree that we shouldn't stop recruiting him. However, we're not done recruiting him, we just may not be pursing as hard as he wants or our fanbase wants to.

 

[connect the dots]

Stillwater's blocking scheme was to go power away from Cornell for much of the game. There were no triple teams. Simple running scheme - Stillwater halfback carried the ball thirty or more times up the gut, and their offensive line controlled Cretin's front four - a front four that was not protecting the Cretin linebackers. Their tackle Palecek, in particular, frustrated Cornell. Cornell got all the hype, but Stillwater controlled the line of scrimmage.
Cornell, like Norcross Georgia's Lorenzo Carter in the game against Booker T, was a no show. Declined to be interviewed after the game. Must not have been too happy with his performance.

I am still scratching my head. What do ESPN analysts see in this kid to have him ranked so high?

 

[Irish#1]

I am still scratching my head. What do ESPN analysts see in this kid to have him ranked so high?

ESPN has always had their own agenda.

 

[koonja]

ESPN has always had their own agenda.

I'm not complaining, but I notice you're often like 12 hours late to a thread. Do you live outside of the USA?

I wouldn't call it a bump, but it seems like you always comment on a thread after it's been bumped, posted in, and then left alone for a half of a day, lol.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I'm not complaining, but I notice you're often like 12 hours late to a thread. Do you live outside of the USA?

I wouldn't call it a bump, but it seems like you always comment on a thread after it's been bumped, posted in, and then left alone for a half of a day, lol.

No he lives right by me. Us older guys don't have the same sense of time you young whippersnappers do, and we can't see the time date stamps as well, either that or we just don't give a shit . . .

 

[koonja]

No he lives right by me. Us older guys don't have the same sense of time you young whippersnappers do, and we can't see the time date stamps as well, either that or we just don't give a shit . . .

I don't care that he does it, I was just wondering if he has an odd schedule or is outside of the states.

 

[NDdomer2]

he probably just waits for the derailment to end and the mods to clean it up.