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I can agree with this, but the NCAABB Commitee still uses computer formulas, ie RPI Rankings, to help determine teams. I still feel some computer formulas would be beneficial, such as SOS, in determining teams in this playoff. I still don't understand the logic behind removing SOS from the formula in the first place. (I understand certain teams wanting it gone, but I can't belive the BCS allowed it...... wait yes I can.)
 
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Wasn't she asked to be the NFL commissioner before that clown they have in that position now?

I'd rather have her than some computer or some guy that thinks the SEC is the hottest thing since sliced bread
 

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realize this.... no matter what happens or what path is taken, the media will make a story about how everyone is unhappy an push for a 'better' solution... it will not end... ever

...reason number 125 why I wasn't for a playoff to begin with...
 

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realize this.... no matter what happens or what path is taken, the media will make a story about how everyone is unhappy an push for a 'better' solution... it will not end... ever

...reason number 125 why I wasn't for a playoff to begin with...

It will end. If you look at the historical finishes of the top 25 in the BCS you will note a significant drop off once you get into the 12-15 range. Basically if you are more than a 1 loss team, don't complain.
 

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Wasn't she asked to be the NFL commissioner before that clown they have in that position now?

I'd rather have her than some computer or some guy that thinks the SEC is the hottest thing since sliced bread

Prior to Tagliabue stepping down, Rice had indicated being the NFL commissioner was her dream job. Once Tagliabue retired, it was rumored she would apply for the position, but she quickly removed her name from consideration as she was early in her term as Secretary of State.

So, she was never offered the job, but likely would have been given serious consideration had she pushed for it.
 

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realize this.... no matter what happens or what path is taken, the media will make a story about how everyone is unhappy an push for a 'better' solution... it will not end... ever

...reason number 125 why I wasn't for a playoff to begin with...

The "better" solution is an eight-team playoff and you're right in that people (i.e. media, coaches, ADs, etc) will push for an expanded playoff very soon (in subtle ways it's already started). I will be surprised if we make it through the 12-year contract without expanding to 8 teams.
 

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Why have ADs and Conference Commissioners? Their bonuses and conference revenue sharing deals make this as corrupt as the Coaches Poll.

realize this.... no matter what happens or what path is taken, the media will make a story about how everyone is unhappy an push for a 'better' solution... it will not end... ever

...reason number 125 why I wasn't for a playoff to begin with...
I'm with you on this. I understand that under the current BCS system there were teams that got " hosed " when it came to rankings and bowls and there was obviously ( or what look liked ) heavy favortism torward certain conferences,but with that being said I can see this thing with the playoff system becoming a " Train wreck i.e the networks/ conference networks mainly the SEC, BIG 10 and The Longhorn Network..... rumored to be backed by CBS, so how much control will the current selection of the socall Bowl committe is going to have...
 
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College Football Playoff selection committee meets, makes recommendations - ESPN

Recusal policy:
The recusal policy determines which committee members will not be allowed to vote for specific schools, based on their ties to that university. The policy is expected to be similar to -- but not exactly like -- the one used for the NCAA basketball selection committee.

Hancock and Long would not disclose what the committee members recommended for their recusal policy or how strict it would be. Possible issues for members could center around voting for alma maters or past/present employers."]The recusal policy determines which committee members will not be allowed to vote for specific schools, based on their ties to that university. The policy is expected to be similar to -- but not exactly like -- the one used for the NCAA basketball selection committee.

Hancock and Long would not disclose what the committee members recommended for their recusal policy or how strict it would be. Possible issues for members could center around voting for alma maters or past/present employers
 

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Epic Fail?

Epic Fail?

ESPN: College Football Playoff Q&A

Q: Who makes up the 13-person selection committee?

A: Chairman Jeff Long (Arkansas athletic director), Barry Alvarez (Wisconsin AD), Mike Gould (former Air Force superintendent), Pat Haden (USC AD), Tom Jernstedt (former NCAA executive vice president), Oliver Luck (West Virginia AD), Archie Manning (former Ole Miss quarterback), Tom Osborne (former Nebraska AD/coach), Dan Radakovich (Clemson AD), Condoleezza Rice (former Stanford provost and U.S. Secretary of State), Mike Tranghese (former Big East commissioner), Steve Wieberg (former USA Today college football reporter) and Ty Willingham (former coach at Stanford, Notre Dame and Washington).

ESPN: How to say 'I recuse myself'?

• Tyrone Willingham, a former Stanford football coach and currently a volunteer women's golf coach at the school, can vote for the Cardinal because the university isn't paying him. Willingham can also discuss, vote and rank Notre Dame and Washington, which fired him after less-than-spectacular tenures.

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Aaaaaannnd I just lost a bit of faith in the quality of the selection committee.
 
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Well, I dont think its complete doom and gloom. Ty never had anything back to say about ND.

I assume you meant 'bad' to say??

I like Ty well enough, I certainly don't hold him in contempt the way many ND fans seem to... but it did stick with me when asked if his race was the reason he was fired he answered, "I don't know," or something to that direct effect. Someone should have asked him if his race was the reason he was HIRED and see if he answered it the same way.

That is the only time I am aware of anything that can be seen as even remotely bad about ND, though I don't follow his every move so who knows.
 

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I assume you meant 'bad' to say??

I like Ty well enough, I certainly don't hold him in contempt the way many ND fans seem to... but it did stick with me when asked if his race was the reason he was fired he answered, "I don't know," or something to that direct effect. Someone should have asked him if his race was the reason he was HIRED and see if he answered it the same way.

That is the only time I am aware of anything that can be seen as even remotely ND, though I don't follow his every move so who knows.

When I said I had lost a bit of faith in the quality of the selection committee, it wasn't because I harbor any ill will or resentment against him, or believe he harbors any against Notre Dame. It was because unlike some of the other names on that list, Ty stands out as bellow average; which is exactly how I view him as a coach and by inference, an authority on Division-I football.
 

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When I said I had lost a bit of faith in the quality of the selection committee, it wasn't because I harbor any ill will or resentment against him, or believe he harbors any against Notre Dame. It was because unlike some of the other names on that list, Ty stands out as bellow average; which is exactly how I view him as a coach and by inference, an authority on Division-I football.

Yeah, I wasn't implying you with the comment; I just notice a lot of general hate towards Ty... I don't dislike any of our former coaches...
 

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Yeah, I wasn't implying you with the comment; I just notice a lot of general hate towards Ty... I don't dislike any of our former coaches...

Oh, I know. I just wanted to clarify my remarks, because they could have been construed differently than I intended in that context.
 

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The "better" solution is an eight-team playoff and you're right in that people (i.e. media, coaches, ADs, etc) will push for an expanded playoff very soon (in subtle ways it's already started). I will be surprised if we make it through the 12-year contract without expanding to 8 teams.

Agree. I think eight-teams will be in place before we reach the half way point of the 12 year contract. At least I hope so. I am not a fan of the four team setup. Not that I was a fan of the BCS setup either.
 

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The most telling thing in all of this was the quote about taking the four "best" teams instead of the four "most deserving." Holy cow is that one subjective can of worms.
 
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There will not be a year gone by where at least 2 teams don't flip the fuck out when they're not included.

This is going to be very dramatic.
 

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I already feel my love for cfb diminishing b/c of this... honest. I was thinking about it the other day, ‘why am I actually looking forward to the NFL?’ When I thought about it, it was this bs... if I'm going to watch a meaningless reg season I'll watch the pros.

just me.
 

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There will not be a year gone by where at least 2 teams don't flip the fuck out when they're not included.

This is going to be very dramatic.

The scenario I keep picturing is an 11-1 Big 12 champ not playing a conference championship game... and an 11-1 SEC team beats a 12-0 SEC team in their conference championship. They take two 12-1 SEC teams, plus a PAC and an ACC. Both BIGs sit on the sidelines... the Integer for a soft SOS and the Big 12 cuz they're the smallest conference and lack a championship game. People collectively lose their shit that year and either get serious reforms or immediate expansion to 6-8 teams.

4 spots for 5 conferences is just asking for absolute chaos.
 

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The more I think on it the more I feel that if they really wanted to change things they should have changed full scale... go super conference, have ONLY the conference champs play in the playoff, 6-8 teams and only the seeding needs a panel...

I have always had issues with non-conference champs winning national titles... same issue with wild cards in pro sports.
 

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Or does the BIG 12 hurry up and start playing a conference championship?

They can't. The ncaa stipulates you must have 12 teams in your conference to play a conference game.

So they'd have to add to their conference. Could they do that? Possibly down the line. But by the time they get around to that, the playoff will probably have enough detractors and will have moved to 8 teams, thus ensuring the Big XII a team in the mix anyway, rendering their need to expand to add a championship game moot.
 

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They can't. The ncaa stipulates you must have 12 teams in your conference to play a conference game.

So they'd have to add to their conference. Could they do that? Possibly down the line. But by the time they get around to that, the playoff will probably have enough detractors and will have moved to 8 teams, thus ensuring the Big XII a team in the mix anyway, rendering their need to expand to add a championship game moot.

The Big 12 has already asked the NCAA to drop the 12 team rulefor conference championship games but at the speed the NCAA works it could take a while before they hear back.
 

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It's not like there aren't teams in that region that couldn't jump in to fill the numbers...
 

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The article is from March, but sheds some light on the conferences' desire to deregulate championship games. The NCAA requires 12 teams and a division format with round-robin within the division. The legislation was submitted by the ACC and Big 12 and basically gives the conferences the flexibility to structure their championship games as they see fit. IMO, the conferences hold all of the power right now and will get what they want.

ACC supports deregulation of conference championship games - CBSSports.com

The ACC has submitted NCAA legislation that would "deregulate" football conference championship games sources told CBSSports.com.

The intent is to allow leagues their preference in how to determine their conference champion. It would theoretically eliminate the need -- per NCAA rules -- to split into divisions with the division winners meeting in a conference championship game.

That would benefit the ACC and other conferences which have expanded to the requisite minimum of 12 teams (and two divisions) to stage a championship game. Theoretically, with passage of the legislation, any of those conferences could play in one division and still stage a championship game.

If the new legislation is adopted a league could match its two highest-ranked teams. That might enhance a conference's ability to get as many teams as possible into the new four-team playoff.

"Theoretically, we could say we're going to take the two highest in the BCS rankings and have them play at the end of the season," Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said.

ESPN.com first reported last month the league's intent to forward such legislation that would give the ACC "flexibility" in who plays in its conference title game. The legislation was submitted in collaboration with the Big 12, Bowlsby said Friday night.

The measure is thought to have wide-ranging support among FBS conferences because it is largely non-controversial. It is known that the 10-team Big 12 would prefer deregulation if it ever decided to play a championship game with its current 10-team alignment. The league staged a championship game from 1996-2010.

NCAA rules require a conference to have at least 12 teams before staging a conference championship game. Teams must also play each opponent in its division. Beginning in 2014, the ACC and Big Ten will join the SEC in having seven-team divisions in football (14 teams total).

That extends the period of time it will take teams to face every conference opponent. Notre Dame has an ACC scheduling agreement beginning this year. It will take three years for ND to play each of the 14 ACC teams from 2014-16.

The Big 12 and Sun Belt will be the only FBS conferences that don't have at least 12 members in '14.

"You wouldn't any longer have to have 12 (teams)," Bowlsby said. "You wouldn't any longer have to play a full round-robin in your subdivision. That would actually afford us the opportunity to have a playoff between two selected teams by whatever process we would want to select.

"I doubt we're going to do that but we would likely have the prerogative."

Kansas State president Kirk Schulz reiterated that stance: "The Big 12, with 10 schools, we have no desire to go to a divisional format. But there's been questions about, generally, should we have some sort of championship game or not? I think it's going to be interesting to see what happens to this proposal."

The Big 12 plays a true round-robin schedule. It could match its two highest-ranked teams for a championship instead of, say, the winners of two five-team divisions. However, such a structure would guarantee that those Big 12 teams would be meeting for second time in a season.

"To me," Schulz said, "playing a team a second time in a season is just odd."

An NCAA spokesman told CBSSports.com that the association's board of directors would discuss the proposal at its April meeting. However, that spokesman also pointed out that the NCAA presidents have "declined to consider rules changes proposed by the conferences," before first finishing the reform and restructuring agendas.

That reform agenda has taken center stage since the results of a presidential summit in August 2011 produced more issues than solved problems. The NCAA and its membership is now in the process of figuring out how to give more power to day-to-day stakeholders like athletic directors and commissioners.

"Championship games, they've been great for TV," said Schulz who had no knowledge of the ACC proposal. "Sometimes the live audiences are not really good when the lower-seeded team winds up winning. It's great for those fans but for the conference point of view it may cost you that [championship] shot. The question really becomes how much of a great idea are those championship games?"

Bowlsby said he doubted all 10 FBS conferences would be forced to stage a championship game for uniformity purposes in the College Football Playoff era.

"Theoretically, that could happen. It never would," Bowlsby said, "because of the way this organization has been put together. That just isn't going to happen."

Former SEC commissioner Roy Kramer exploited a little-known NCAA bylaw in 1992 that allowed his conference to first stage a conference championship game.
 
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The article is from March, but sheds some light on the conferences' desire to deregulate championship games. The NCAA requires 12 teams and a division format with round-robin within the division. The legislation was submitted by the ACC and Big 12 and basically gives the conferences the flexibility to structure their championship games as they see fit. IMO, the conferences hold all of the power right now and will get what they want.

ACC supports deregulation of conference championship games - CBSSports.com

I don't dislike this idea. I agree with not having two teams play again in a "championship game." This benefits the ACC the most IMO because of having ND involved.
 

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Go to eight teams - the five major conference champs ( league champ game or not ) and then three at-large bids. If you aren't one of the three... oh well. #winmoreoften
 

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Go to eight teams - the five major conference champs ( league champ game or not ) and then three at-large bids. If you aren't one of the three... oh well. #winmoreoften

I think that is coming more sooner than later. (At least I hope it does)
 
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