'15 LA OT/DT Jerry Tillery (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[STLDomer]

FWIW Tommy Loy is not confident at all in his pledge. Doesn't expect a flip but has categorized him in recent days as not solid.

 

[drake29]

CRAP.

 

[woolybug25]

Just a reminder... this was before he even committed to us.

Per Perroni this kid will be a big time national recruit and grew up a ND fan. 247 Staff lists him as Warmer to ND. Parents are ND fans and have said he is meant to go to ND. Staff has already shown interest

 

[koonja]

I don't know a damn thing when it comes to recruiting, but guy this does, like wooly mentioned, sound like he's all ND.

Whether warranted or not, I'd expect a ton of skepticism from ND fans since he's from LA and we swing and miss all of the time in that state. I guess what I'm saying is I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the pro-LSU stuff is blown out of porportion on this one (for instance, visited LSU recently but why wouldn't he if he can go to a camp and better himself?)... Then again I won't be shocked at all if we didn't sign him, lol. Although I think Loy has done pretty solid work, so if he's saying there's uncertainty, could be legit. Gotta love recruiting.

 

[Luckylucci]

I would not categorized Tillery as a "solid" commit at this time. His family says they are ND fans and his mother is a member of II but putting together a few different things over the last month or two lead me to believe that he's not "solid". Does that mean we won't sign him or he's going to decommit, no. But, usually when there is a lot of noise surrounding a recruitment its because there is a lot going on in that said recruitment. Lastly, usually that noise is brought upon because said recruit is actively speaking with another staff or staffs.

 

[Irish Man3]

Doesn't bother me at all. Obviously keeping Tillery in the mix would be ideal but if he's going to switch, I hope its soon. We have so many talented lineman wanting to join this class, it's fine.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

This won't bother me because it's still so early and because of how well we've recruited the OL but he seems like a perfect fit for ND. Would like to see this offensive group grow together and recruit other top talent to the bend.

 

[Irish#1]

FWIW Tommy Loy is not confident at all in his pledge. Doesn't expect a flip but has categorized him in recent days as not solid.

I would not categorized Tillery as a "solid" commit at this time. His family says they are ND fans and his mother is a member of II but putting together a few different things over the last month or two lead me to believe that he's not "solid". Does that mean we won't sign him or he's going to decommit, no. But, usually when there is a lot of noise surrounding a recruitment its because there is a lot going on in that said recruitment. Lastly, usually that noise is brought upon because said recruit is actively speaking with another staff or staffs.

 

[Monk]

It's just way to early for me to follow any of these recruits based on all the rumblings and decommitting that comes at the end of the year. I will check back in at the end of summer.

EDIT: Although I have to admit I still get really excited every time we get a commit no matter when it is.

 

[STLDomer]

visited LSU recently but why wouldn't he if he can go to a camp and better himself?

This isn't directed at you Koon because others have used the same logic but I personally think that rationalization is BS. It's not like he just showed up, worked out and left. He talked to coaches, he saw campus. I consider it a visit. If a committed prospect camped at ND we would think he had legit interest not just trying to "better himself"

 

[Irish#1]

This isn't directed at you Koon because others have used the same logic but I personally think that rationalization is BS. It's not like he just showed up, worked out and left. He talked to coaches, he saw campus. I consider it a visit. If a committed prospect camped at ND we would think he had legit interest not just trying to "better himself"

+1

 

[koonja]

This isn't directed at you Koon because others have used the same logic but I personally think that rationalization is BS. It's not like he just showed up, worked out and left. He talked to coaches, he saw campus. I consider it a visit. If a committed prospect camped at ND we would think he had legit interest not just trying to "better himself"

Well when you put it that way...

 

[Irishnuke]

This isn't directed at you Koon because others have used the same logic but I personally think that rationalization is BS. It's not like he just showed up, worked out and left. He talked to coaches, he saw campus. I consider it a visit. If a committed prospect camped at ND we would think he had legit interest not just trying to "better himself"

 

[Sherm Sticky]

He gone

 

[IrishLax]

Just is what it is. His status has not changed. Like I (and many others) have been saying, he's simply going to get an outrageous amount of pressure to stay home at LSU, plus tons upon tons of overall anti-ND negative recruiting from Stanford, LSU, other SEC schools, peers, local media/coaches, etc. This is the problem with early commitments from places like Louisiana. It's even a harder hold than California, and that's saying something.

STL is 100% right about the "just a camp" thing being complete garbage. That's like when Anzalone went to Friday Night Lights at Florida and people tried to rationalize that. In his 247 profile, they even list that camp as a "junior day" for some reason.

People are picking him to flip for obvious reasons. Do I think he does? I don't really know, I'd personally bet against it. LSU will throw the kitchen sink of misinformation at him, but as long as his parents are in our corner that probably won't be as effective as it is with other kids from the south. It's going to come down to what he is looking for... and if that's ND's academics, etc. then having parents that are rational, intelligent people will probably mitigate a lot of the pressure tactics that work on kids with worse guidance.

 

[ryno 24]

It sounds like he is going to get up here for the summer and see the campus and fall in love again. He will official visit in the fall. These are all important . If he does all these things than I think he will be ours. If he doesnt visit in the summer than I will get very worried. Getting him to campus is crucial. I do not believe he is as strong as Barnett or Hoge but I think he will be on campus in January.

 

[Irishman77]

Doesn't bother me at all. Obviously keeping Tillery in the mix would be ideal but if he's going to switch, I hope its soon. We have so many talented lineman wanting to join this class, it's fine.

Yep...

We are no longer on stroke alert when losing a recruit. We have a very sound depth chart and adding elite talent to the mix going forward is gravy.

 

[NDinL.A.]

This is exactly why Nelson Agholar supposedly told the USC coaches he was a commit to them about 8 months before NSD at a USC camp (that timeline is up for debate...but it is a fact he was a silent to them for at least a couple of months). The local pressure Agholar was getting to stay in FL was overwhelming even without him being publicly committed to USC. Tillery is going to face double or triple that amount of pressure from his home state fans.

I've said this before but if I'm ND I'm still recruiting the hell outta a few more O-linemen. I'd even take the commit of a kid like Solomon (or someone of his ilk) and then still recruit an elite lineman hard, because I am not sure that Tillery is coming and I want 3 linemen this cycle.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

This is exactly why Nelson Agholar supposedly told the USC coaches he was a commit to them about 8 months before NSD at a USC camp (that timeline is up for debate...but it is a fact he was a silent to them for at least a couple of months). The local pressure Agholar was getting to stay in FL was overwhelming even without him being publicly committed to USC. Tillery is going to face double or triple that amount of pressure from his home state fans.

I've said this before but if I'm ND I'm still recruiting the hell outta a few more O-linemen. I'd even take the commit of a kid like Solomon (or someone of his ilk) and then still recruit an elite lineman hard, because I am not sure that Tillery is coming and I want 3 linemen this cycle.

Good post. I agree

 

[anarin]

This is exactly why Nelson Agholar supposedly told the USC coaches he was a commit to them about 8 months before NSD at a USC camp (that timeline is up for debate...but it is a fact he was a silent to them for at least a couple of months). The local pressure Agholar was getting to stay in FL was overwhelming even without him being publicly committed to USC. Tillery is going to face double or triple that amount of pressure from his home state fans.

I've said this before but if I'm ND I'm still recruiting the hell outta a few more O-linemen. I'd even take the commit of a kid like Solomon (or someone of his ilk) and then still recruit an elite lineman hard, because I am not sure that Tillery is coming and I want 3 linemen this cycle.

Good post. I agree

Crap ass post!!! I couldn't disagree anymore!!! And the penn state hater is just being ridiculous!!


Ok.. I'm lying. It made sense. Damn you and your making sense ways!!

(I think he'll decommit and recommit back, just for added flavor)

 

[BeauBenken]

I wouldn't consider the camp thing a garbage excuse. He lives in Louisiana. LSU would most likely hold the best camp for him to attend.

I'm not saying that LSU doesn't look at it as a hell of a time to recruit the crap out of Tillery, nor am I saying that Tillery won't have a look around, but I don't think that going to another school's camp means you've reopened your recruitment or anything.

Sorry Lax, I don't see how it is comparable to Alex going to Florida. I mean the kid is from Pennsylvania.

I'm just saying I would expect a kid from a particular region to go to the best football camp that that region holds. That's all. It's not total garbage, but it's not nothing either. It's a hell of an opportunity for LSU and even Tillery.

At the same time though, I think Jerry is an excellent fit for ND, and while it's not impossible or even unlikely that he ends up somewhere else, I would be shocked if he did.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Just is what it is. His status has not changed. Like I (and many others) have been saying, he's simply going to get an outrageous amount of pressure to stay home at LSU, plus tons upon tons of overall anti-ND negative recruiting from Stanford, LSU, other SEC schools, peers, local media/coaches, etc. This is the problem with early commitments from places like Louisiana. It's even a harder hold than California, and that's saying something.

STL is 100% right about the "just a camp" thing being complete garbage. That's like when Anzalone went to Friday Night Lights at Florida and people tried to rationalize that. In his 247 profile, they even list that camp as a "junior day" for some reason.

People are picking him to flip for obvious reasons. Do I think he does? I don't really know, I'd personally bet against it. LSU will throw the kitchen sink of misinformation at him, but as long as his parents are in our corner that probably won't be as effective as it is with other kids from the south. It's going to come down to what he is looking for... and if that's ND's academics, etc. then having parents that are rational, intelligent people will probably mitigate a lot of the pressure tactics that work on kids with worse guidance.

No offense to you and the skeptics, but that's hogwash. A kid this smart with smart parents isn't going to be swayed by the stench of the bayou. I'm pretty sure they know his future is MUCH brighter at ND. Not only from an academic standpoint (by a country mile), but also considering ND's success with linemen recently.

Of course he was going to look around and talk to coaches while he visited the camp. Who wouldn't? I'd probably do the same. It's just natural curiosity. Do I think he'll decommit? Absolutely not, and neither should you. It's not just him or his family, THEY ALL LOVE ND.

All this pessimism is coming from the fact that he's from Louisiana and LSU is sniffing around. Nothing more.

 

[pkt77242]

No offense to you and the skeptics, but that's hogwash. A kid this smart with smart parents isn't going to be swayed by the stench of the bayou. I'm pretty sure they know his future is MUCH brighter at ND. Not only from an academic standpoint (by a country mile), but also considering ND's success with linemen recently.

Of course he was going to look around and talk to coaches while he visited the camp. Who wouldn't? I'd probably do the same. It's just natural curiosity. Do I think he'll decommit? Absolutely not, and neither should you. It's not just him or his family, THEY ALL LOVE ND.

All this pessimism is coming from the fact that he's from Louisiana and LSU is sniffing around. Nothing more.

And all of your optimism comes from being a complete ND homer.

What success has ND had with o-lineman recently besides Martin? What do you actually know about Tillery or his familybesides what you read in articles?

For the record I think he sticks to his ND commitment but it is by no means a sure thing like you make it sound but then again that should be expected as your are a complete homer who has no objectivity when it comes to ND.

 

[IrishLax]

No offense to you and the skeptics, but that's hogwash. A kid this smart with smart parents isn't going to be swayed by the stench of the bayou. I'm pretty sure they know his future is MUCH brighter at ND. Not only from an academic standpoint (by a country mile), but also considering ND's success with linemen recently.

Of course he was going to look around and talk to coaches while he visited the camp. Who wouldn't? I'd probably do the same. It's just natural curiosity. Do I think he'll decommit? Absolutely not, and neither should you. It's not just him or his family, THEY ALL LOVE ND.

All this pessimism is coming from the fact that he's from Louisiana and LSU is sniffing around. Nothing more.

I should also note that I clearly said I would bet against him flipping, and just simply presented an objective view of his situation. So I don't really understand how my post is "hogwash" when you more or less echoed nine tenths of what I said, with the other tenth being an over-confident dismissal of LSU, the influence of local pressures, and just how much rock solid "in love" he is with ND.

The simple fact is when you recruit outside of ND's stomping ground there is ALWAYS a chance of decommitment. That risk goes down with strong, smart parental units who are in ND's corner... but it also goes up with all of the BS associated with the deep south. Dismissing the possibility outright is just being a blind homer.

Stephon Tuitt had no reason to choose Georgia Tech except local pressures, but he flipped to them before getting flipped back in a hotly contested battle. Aaron Lynch got talked out of ND hard by local influences despite it being where his parents wanted him to go and where he wanted to be. And on and on and on... you go after elite talent in the south, expect wars. Especially if they are early commits where schools have many months to work a whole network of negative recruiting against you.

 

[NDinL.A.]

No offense to you and the skeptics, but that's hogwash. A kid this smart with smart parents isn't going to be swayed by the stench of the bayou. I'm pretty sure they know his future is MUCH brighter at ND. Not only from an academic standpoint (by a country mile), but also considering ND's success with linemen recently.

Of course he was going to look around and talk to coaches while he visited the camp. Who wouldn't? I'd probably do the same. It's just natural curiosity. Do I think he'll decommit? Absolutely not, and neither should you. It's not just him or his family, THEY ALL LOVE ND.

All this pessimism is coming from the fact that he's from Louisiana and LSU is sniffing around. Nothing more.

Dude, no offense to you, but you've been wrong A LOT, and every time someone says something that even whiffs of not being a complete positive for ND, you come back with posts like above, totally based in homerism and fantasy.

Example...I told you long before NSD that Mackenzie wasn't going to be Irish and he would never qualify, and you came back with a post similar to yours above, saying he'd never turn his back on a school that stuck by his side for so long, and saying, "He visits, he commits, end of story." You were all over me on that recruitment and challenged any info I had, because you were 100% positive McKenzie would be Irish. Well, he's not Irish.

Example...when we told you Michael Sawyers was a long shot and he probably won't even visit, you stated, "There is literally 0% chance that Sawyers doesn't visit ND. He said he would visit no matter what." He cancelled his visit shortly thereafter, as predicted, and never visited.

Example...you said the DT we'd most likely end up with is Malik McDowell. When we told you he was the longest of longshots, you scoffed because his dad was in our corner, making ND his most likely landing spot. He never even considered us in the end.

Example: Here was your 'realistic finish for ND" on NSD:
McDowell
Sawyers
Quick
McKenzie
(0-4)

I could go on, but you get the point. I have no problem with you being such a homer, but to denigrate other people's thoughts as hogwash all the dang time just because their thoughts don't include ND signing every 5 star and winning a natty every year is well, 'hogwash'.

 

[Redbar]

How do you stop all the hogwash?
Example...^^^

 

[Bogtrotter07]

And all of your optimism comes from being a complete ND homer.

What success has ND had with o-lineman recently besides Martin? What do you actually know about Tillery or his familybesides what you read in articles?

For the record I think he sticks to his ND commitment but it is by no means a sure thing like you make it sound but then again that should be expected as your are a complete homer who has no objectivity when it comes to ND.

I would consider a program that builds an offensive line against the competition that ND faces that has a quarterback like Tommy Rees and gives up six sacks for the season, is pretty successful. I think with the draftability of ND O-linemen rising to the level it is, (as when HH was at IL), is pretty successful. I would say having the highest average offensive linemen recruit rating in the nation, over the last three year, ahead of UM, UA, LSU, and FSU, that is pretty much success.

I think there are things we can know like the three facts above, but anything that requires us to peer into the heart or mind of a seventeen year old kid, not so much. I am a perfect example. I thought I could size up a recruit for position, in some cases really well. Turns out I couldn't have been more wrong. Every time. So I am going to stop, because I don't want by any accident or circumstance to take over as IE jinx!

Maybe if I started using the term, "Wild ass guess!'

 

[koonja]

I don't think it makes sense to apply recruiting history/trends to Tillery's status with ND.

He's clearly a-typical, in that he's a national recruit (or will be), he's in Louisianna, and he committed to ND a year early (no info, but I'd bet the numbers for 'elite' out of state kids that DO choose ND, is really, really high for 'last second announcements' or 'NSD decisions' and really, really low for 'committed to ND early'.... Insert exception to rule here ___________). And when you hear his words from an interview, you can tell he's not a typical high school kid.

Not saying he's a ND lock, but trying to apply logic in a recruitment that so far defies logic, is illogical.

 

[adsnorri]

I don't think it makes sense to apply recruiting history/trends to Tillery's status with ND.

He's clearly a-typical, in that he's a national recruit (or will be), he's in Louisianna, and he committed to ND a year early (no info, but I'd bet the numbers for 'elite' out of state kids that DO choose ND, is really, really high for 'last second announcements' or 'NSD decisions' and really, really low for 'committed to ND early'.... Insert exception to rule here ___________). And when you hear his words from an interview, you can tell he's not a typical high school kid.

Not saying he's a ND lock, but trying to apply logic in a recruitment that so far defies logic, is illogical.

There's a logical post!!!:banghead2

 

[Irish#1]

Getting a little feisty in this thread. I like it!