Changes to college football rules proposed

[irishfanjho15]

Football Rules Committee slightly adjusts targeting rule, defensive substitutions | NCAA Public Home Page - NCAA.org

I think the targeting change gets accepted. The substitution rule is going to be a much tougher sell.

 

[ryno 24]

Especially with modern offense I have a hard time seeing how the substitution rule gets changed.

 

[IrishLax]

So no fix to the completely inconsistent enforcement of the rule? Need to remove the automatic ejection component it is completely ridiculous.

 

[irishfanjho15]

So no fix to the completely inconsistent enforcement of the rule? Need to remove the automatic ejection component it is completely ridiculous.

Yeah but if they do that, it makes the rule look wholly terrible to begin with. This way they can save a little face.

I completely agree though. If they are going to keep it the refs in the booth should be the only one who decides if someone gets tossed, and it should be based on intent to injure and whether or not the offensive player causes the contact by ducking his head at a time that is impossible for the defensive player to adjust to.

I feel like training your booth refs to take these two things into consideration and to hopefully err on the side of keeping kids in the games would help tremendously. Taking it out of the hands of the refs on field, who can't tell in real time because of the speed, is the first step.

 

[phork]

So if the offense snaps the ball with over 29 seconds on the play clock they get hit with a delay of game. LOLZ.

 

[irishog77]

Football Rules Committee slightly adjusts targeting rule, defensive substitutions | NCAA Public Home Page - NCAA.org

I think the targeting change gets accepted. The substitution rule is going to be a much tougher sell.

Yeah, that substitution proposal is bogus.

I'd like to see a rule change in the downfield blocking by OL-- "The Malzahn Rule." David Pollack harped on it (probably the only thing I agreed with him on). Gus really stretched the rule on the 3 yard rule on pass plays. Is an ENORMOUS advantage for offense.

 

[Irishbounty28]

I just wonder how much power Saban really has. He has been a major proponent for this for a while now, and this rule simply stated seems as though it came straight from his mouth.

Edit: Semi sarcastic.

 

[T Town Tommy]

As bad as the targeting penalty rule was - the 15 yard penalty portion even though it was deemed not targeting - the proposed substitution rule is even worse. I don't give that one any chance of passing. Nor should it. Ridiculous proposal.

 

[rikkitikki08]

So the NCAA is basically trying to ruin the hurry up offense? Schools like Auburn would suffer greatly due to this rule

 

[irishff1014]

I think this is a bad idea. If a team wants to run that fast the let them.

 

[dublinirish]

So the NCAA is basically trying to ruin the hurry up offense? Schools like Auburn would suffer greatly due to this rule

and help Saban and Bielema and all those old timers

 

[NCND]

Us ND fans shouldn't even care about this rule. If passed, we should embrace it because ND plays a few good up tempo teams this year.

 

[returnofthemack]

So if the offense snaps the ball with over 29 seconds on the play clock they get hit with a delay of game. LOLZ.

Man, Reesus would've been screwed.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Us ND fans shouldn't even care about this rule. If passed, we should embrace it because ND plays a few good up tempo teams this year.

Im willing to bet Kelly is still wanting to play an uptempo offense, so yes it does hurt ND. Plus its just bad for college football in general, for the life of me i dont understand why you would want to slow down the game

 

[dublinirish]

Im willing to bet Kelly is still wanting to play an uptempo offense, so yes it does hurt ND. Plus its just bad for college football in general, for the life of me i dont understand why you would want to slow down the game

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[rikkitikki08]

I guess thats one way to look at it lol

 

[RammerJammer91]

I think it's stupid. Not a fan of it at all. With that said, I know a lot of people are oblivious to this, but Saban isn't the only coach who's wanted this. It's unfair how he's the only one people cite and/or blame for wanting such a change. It's as if all the other coaches can get away with stating any changes they want, because the focus is 100% on what changes Saban wants. I mean, it's as if David Shaw could want College Football to makes changes that mirror the rules of "Sarcastaball" on that South Park episode, and literally no one would care.

 

[BGIF]

On the substitution rule.

As I read it the defense can make a substitution in the first 10 seconds.

Now if the their incoming player comes on late or the outgoing player is not off the field by that 10th second do they have an Illegal Substitution ... or Too Many Men On The Field?

Even though the Offense can't snap the ball for another 19 or 20 seconds.

Speaking of snapping does the linesman stand over the center until a couple of seconds before the 30 second pumpkin tick?

Soes the linesman or ref blow the play dead at the 11 second mark or does the offense get to run off the play and take their choice of play or penalty? Sounds to me like there would be no "free" play.


Can the defense make multiple substitutions within the allotted time? Say 2 right away and a couple more a 7 or 8 seconds later? Could they swap out an entire unit or platoon of 11 players?


I can see the reason D.C.'s would like the ability to substitute in a hurry offense to keep their guys from getting gassed but this, as reported, seems unwieldy.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I think it's stupid. Not a fan of it at all. With that said, I know a lot of people are oblivious to this, but Saban isn't the only coach who's wanted this. It's unfair how he's the only one people cite and/or blame for wanting such a change. It's as if all the other coaches can get away with stating any changes they want, because the focus is 100% on what changes Saban wants. I mean, it's as if David Shaw could want College Football to makes changes that mirror the rules of "Sarcastaball" on that South Park episode, and literally no one would care.

One has to look long and hard for any Saban fans on this board. Outside of ACamp and BGIF, thery're pretty hard to find.

On a side note, Saban has been one of the most vocal against the HUNH and therefore should get some of the heat for complaining about it. And he is on the wrong side of the argument IMO.

 

[wizards8507]

Why does there need to be a rule either way? I think it's stupid to have a rule "allowing" the defense to substitute regardless of how much time is on the clock or whether the offense has their own substitutions. I also think it's stupid to prevent them from substituting as well. Why not just substitute on the fly and if you can't get your guys on the field before the ball is snapped, sucks?

 

[IrishLax]

I think it's stupid. Not a fan of it at all. With that said, I know a lot of people are oblivious to this, but Saban isn't the only coach who's wanted this. It's unfair how he's the only one people cite and/or blame for wanting such a change. It's as if all the other coaches can get away with stating any changes they want, because the focus is 100% on what changes Saban wants. I mean, it's as if David Shaw could want College Football to makes changes that mirror the rules of "Sarcastaball" on that South Park episode, and literally no one would care.

You're right that it's not ALL on Nick. But you can't argue that he is one the most influential coaches, and actively campaigning like a baby for anything that will hinder up-tempo offenses.

He's doing so because it's in his best interest. He recruits the best every year, but does not have an innovative offense. So the only advantage any of his competitors (Auburn, A&M, etc.) can possibly have over him is a schematically superior offense that can manufacture more points.

And before anyone debates how much his fingerprints are on this proposal, this new 10-second rule came out of a meeting he was a part of.

 

[IrishLax]

One has to look long and hard for any Saban fans on this board. Outside of ACamp and BGIF, thery're pretty hard to find.

On a side note, Saban has been one of the most vocal against the HUNH and therefore should get some of the heat for complaining about it. And he is on the wrong side of the argument IMO.

This. And he was at the meeting where this rule proposal originated. Can't separate him from it when he'd been vocal previously and attended the meeting.

 

[wizards8507]

This. And he was at the meeting where this rule proposal came from. Can't separate him from it when he'd been vocal previously and attended the meeting.

*from which this rule proposal came.

Amirite dshans?

But back on topic... I'm not sure how much of an effect this would have in the grand scheme of things. Ten seconds is FAST.

 

[Buster Bluth]

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Exactly this. Corporate influence has already wrecked the NFL, it'll creep into the college game too much if fans don't bitch loud enough.

 

[wizards8507]

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Exactly this. Corporate influence has already wrecked the NFL, it'll creep into the college game too much if fans don't bitch loud enough.

What? How? Advertising comes during breaks and breaks are created by scores. This would theoretically reduce scoring while leaving the same number of timeouts. Also, fewer plays means fewer incomplete passes which are opportunities for the clock to stop. This rule, if anything, shortens the total length of the game and reduces advertising opportunities.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Saban's quote:

“All you’re trying to do is get lined up [on defense],” Saban told ESPN.com in September. “You can’t play specialty third-down stuff. You can’t hardly scheme anything. The most important thing is to get the call so the guys can get lined up, and it’s got to be a simple call. The offense kind of knows what you’re doing."

Why does he think it's the offense's responsibility to allow him to scheme? I am not a fan on the HUNH but realize it is part of the game. His job as a coach is to try and find a way to stop it on the field... not in a rules meeting. It is no different than someone saying there should not be 300 lb offensive linemen because they are capable of causing injury. Bet Nick wouldn't lobby for that rule.

 

[wizards8507]

Saban's quote:

“All you’re trying to do is get lined up [on defense],” Saban told ESPN.com in September. “You can’t play specialty third-down stuff. You can’t hardly scheme anything. The most important thing is to get the call so the guys can get lined up, and it’s got to be a simple call. The offense kind of knows what you’re doing."

Why does he think it's the offense's responsibility to allow him to scheme? I am not a fan on the HUNH but realize it is part of the game. His job as a coach is to try and find a way to stop it on the field... not in a rules meeting. It is no different than someone saying there should not be 300 lb offensive linemen because they are capable of causing injury. Bet Nick wouldn't lobby for that rule.

I'm out of reps but I agree completely. They're creating rules to accommodate defensive strategy rather than defensive strategists strategizing based on the rules. It's completely backwards. Coach to the game, don't try to mold the game to your coaching.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Rules panel member: No 'hard data' backing substitution proposal - CBSSports.com

 

[IrishLax]

Kevin Sumlin: There's an agenda with substitution proposal

This article really shows just how much BS this rule change is. You had Nick Saban get up and lobby for a rule to hold down Auburn and Texas A&M because inventive up-tempo offenses are a threat to him. You had support by Bielema and Calhoun... two coaches who don't want to live in a world with up-tempo. And now you have a proposed rule change under the guise of "player safety" that exists only to help Nick Saban have even more of a competitive advantage.

This is so wrong on so many levels.

 

[BGIF]

Why does there need to be a rule either way? I think it's stupid to have a rule "allowing" the defense to substitute regardless of how much time is on the clock or whether the offense has their own substitutions. I also think it's stupid to prevent them from substituting as well. Why not just substitute on the fly and if you can't get your guys on the field before the ball is snapped, sucks?

I like line changes on the fly but how do you ice the football and retain possession for your offense? How do run 5 OLs and 2 jumbo TEs on the field and get them into a required set? Otherwise we're back to the Notre Dame Box which was reasons for the required set before the snap.


I can also see's Saban's point about the defense getting an edge. Look what happened in the Iron Bowl. Auburn saw what players Alabama put on the FG unit and quickly called a time out. Then Auburn put SPEED players on the field. Alabama noticed the time out, saw the Auburn substitutes, yet did nothing to counter.

Had hey already make all their allowed line changes?

Alabama could have changed personnel ... or changed the play, and run or passed the ball, or punted out of bounds. They didn't when they could have.